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Free Runner · Jul 20, 2009, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Yeah i worded that wrong sorry.
Lots of ideas from utopia were put into eotn though.
I know that we know there's not gonna be a utopia compaing im just saying that its a possibility, i meant gw2.Yeah i know it does... sort of... any examples please?

Yeah its true, Utopias ideas made it into EotN. But they were all visual ideas such as landscape ideas and themes. Giving NPCs dialogue that is referring to a campaign that has been scrapped is.....well kind of a waste of time.

Your post is alittle confusing

but i'm guessing your saying "It might be a possiblity that Utopia makes it to GW2" or something along those lines? and i'm guessing the examples you want are the hints at GW2?.

draxynnic · Jul 21, 2009, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Aye - the impression I always had is that they simply reused zones and models they'd already made for Utopia (the non-reskinned EOTN armour like the Norn sets and Silver Eagle come out of Utopia concept art, for instance. There were more sets in the concept art, but obviously they weren't finished at the cancellation point).

On the other hand, it's not impossible that Talon is referring to an event that had originally been planning for Utopia but which has been postponed to GW2.

Winnies Bro · Jul 21, 2009, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Aye - the impression I always had is that they simply reused zones and models they'd already made for Utopia (the non-reskinned EOTN armour like the Norn sets and Silver Eagle come out of Utopia concept art, for instance. There were more sets in the concept art, but obviously they weren't finished at the cancellation point).

On the other hand, it's not impossible that Talon is referring to an event that had originally been planning for Utopia but which has been postponed to GW2.

I didn't know that the armour was originally for utopia, neat.

That's pretty much what i meant, yeah.

I just think it could be utopia in guild wars 2, it COULD be their homelands, although they always seem quite canthan to me.
Also, people think that the mursaat are from utopia.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Fixed.

To be honest, only the land and some objects - mostly the stuff in the Tarnished Coast. Not much else.

You completely confuse me. It's like you're starting with one thought, turning it into a second thought, which goes into a third, which ends with a fourth thought. Without properly ending any (or starting) any of the thoughts.

Im referringto something someone said, i should have quoted cos it was a bit confusing, but not THAT confusing!

Konig Des Todes · Jul 21, 2009, 09:20 AM // 09:20

For starters, "Utopia" is not the name of the location, it's the name of the campaign. The continent of Utopia is unknown - so it wouldn't technically be the homeland of any race (only stating this to prevent confusion from others). Also, there are many different (and to be honestly, obscure, ridiculous, and far-fetched) theories relating the origin of the Mursaat.

And it was "THAT" confusing to be honest.

I'm starting to think, and with a strong feeling, that your native language is not English - which would explain some of the poor grammar and confusingly put sentences.

Free Runner · Jul 21, 2009, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

On the other hand, it's not impossible that Talon is referring to an event that had originally been planning for Utopia but which has been postponed to GW2.

If it does have anything to do with Utopia, then i would agree with it being something like that

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

For starters, "Utopia" is not the name of the location, it's the name of the campaign. The continent of Utopia is unknown - so it wouldn't technically be the homeland of any race (only stating this to prevent confusion from others).

I think Winnie knows that Utopia is not the continents name. But since theres no name for it, its much more easier to refer to it as Utopia.

Lishy · Jul 21, 2009, 04:32 PM // 16:32

The black island at the top left of the map was for utopia. Otherwise, why would it stand out so much?

Konig Des Todes · Jul 21, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

It only stands out so much because of two things: 1) It's there alone. 2) We don't know what it is.

Winnies Bro · Jul 21, 2009, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

For starters, "Utopia" is not the name of the location, it's the name of the campaign. The continent of Utopia is unknown - so it wouldn't technically be the homeland of any race (only stating this to prevent confusion from others). Also, there are many different (and to be honestly, obscure, ridiculous, and far-fetched) theories relating the origin of the Mursaat.

And it was "THAT" confusing to be honest.

I'm starting to think, and with a strong feeling, that your native language is not English - which would explain some of the poor grammar and confusingly put sentences.

I know utopia is PROBABLY not the name for the continent, its just MUCH easier to call it "the unnamed continent that was originally going to be used for utopia".
What do you mean that the continent is unknown??? How couldnt it be the homeland for any race??? I remember that quite a lot of people think that the utopia continent is the mursaat homeland, well... a few people at least. People have written about it... probably... It is quite possible and it is probable that the mursaat that saul found(deep in the jungle, no im not going to find the exact text!), were near edge of tyria continent, near to utopia.
Was it that confusing? Well i cant quite remember what "THAT"(lol) was... but still... was it? WAAAAAAAAH!
Really? Bloody hell! Poor grammar??? You're mean!!!!!!!!!!!!! My sentences arent confusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Konig Des Todes · Jul 21, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

What do you mean that the continent is unknown??? How couldnt it be the homeland for any race???

First part: I mean we don't know the location, name, or anything about it besides that it was jungle-like and was intended to have a meso-american look to it.

For the second part: I mean that we don't know what races would have been there aside from Sidhe (which cannot be considered canon) and humans. The only reason why people link the Mursaat there is because it's advance in technology and it's full of jungles - the later reason is also why people think it was meant to be west of Tyria. Both are poor reasons to believe such with as much zeal as people do.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I remember that quite a lot of people think that the utopia continent is the mursaat homeland, well... a few people at least. People have written about it... probably... It is quite possible and it is probable that the mursaat that saul found(deep in the jungle, no im not going to find the exact text!), were near edge of tyria continent, near to utopia.

It is as possible as the Mursaat being from the Tarnished Coast, or them being ascended humans, or them being from another planet, or them being from the jungle north/northwest of Krtya. All proposed theories, three being highly believed (two of them because a highly respected, but poorly backed up person who linked everything mysterious to the Mursaat made the theories), all possible, and all have very little support.

We can't even take the continent of Utopia to be canon lore because the campaign was never released!

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Was it that confusing? Well i cant quite remember what "THAT"(lol) was... but still... was it? WAAAAAAAAH!
Really? Bloody hell! Poor grammar??? You're mean!!!!!!!!!!!!! My sentences arent confusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it was that confusing. No, I'm not mean. I'm just truthful. Truth hurts.

Gmr Leon · Jul 21, 2009, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

It is quite possible and it is probable that the mursaat that saul found(deep in the jungle, no im not going to find the exact text!), were near edge of tyria continent, near to utopia.

This is what it says in the Manuscripts, it does not say jungle, and a dense forest simply hasn't the characteristics of a jungle. Besides, if they had taken him to a jungle, I'm sure they would have just said it outright.

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Originally Posted by Saul D'Alessio-Founder of the White Mantle

The local authorities blindfolded him and rode him out three full weeks before leaving him to fend for himself.

Alone, broke, and lost, Saul wandered through a dense forest for several days, surviving on only roots and berries.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Really? Bloody hell! Poor grammar??? You're mean!! My sentences arent confusing!!

I mean no offense, but you're making yourself out to be a fool here. Most of your ideas, while reviewing already discussed elements understandably, are at least moderately legit. The issue is, you forget that there's an edit button, you have a tendency to overreact when it is not necessary, and you state hypotheses or even simply ideas, as being fact, when they are, in actuality, misinformed, and tend to contain inaccuracies. Such as the above statement I commented on.

Winnies Bro · Jul 22, 2009, 10:12 AM // 10:12

(im gonna edit this post alot cos idont know how to quote more than 1 post)
Konig. Meso-American? I couldnt be bothered to go onto wikipedia and search that but utopia was gonna be aztec themed.
Yes, you are mean for numerous reasons! mes is scares nowd.(lol)
It seems that every idea that isnt yours isnt very well supported, is unlikely, and you always come upwith loads of other things that have nothing to do with much of anything like your centaur thing in the thread i made about cantha and elono in gw2.
And about the big black island, you are right, we dont know what it is... but we have ideas... it could be an ancient dragon(these ideas are not all my own), and watchtower coast... we should all know about watchtower coast by now, ancient watchtowers, thought to have protected kryta from an ancient threat(i dont wanna go to the wiki i couldnt be bothered). The Norn was one idea from other people, i find it unlikely, the norn are not conqurers, as far as we know they dont have boats, and many other reasons ill let you lot discuss.
Hhhmmmm ive just remembered that the verdant cascades is a much more logical place that they took saul to cos of the fact that the manuscripts say dense forest and some other reasons that i cant be bothered to remember right now...
GrmLeon. Youre right. They could have just said jungle but if they did it would have just made people think maguuma jungle, verdant cascades seems more logical.
I'm not saying any of my IDEAS are fact...
edit: we are going of topic quite bit...

Gmr Leon · Jul 22, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Meso-American? I couldnt be bothered to go onto wikipedia and search that but utopia was gonna be aztec themed.

Meso-American contains the Aztecs, Maya, and I'm not sure what else.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

It seems that every idea that isnt yours isnt very well supported, is unlikely, and you always come upwith loads of other things that have nothing to do with much of anything like your centaur thing in the thread i made about cantha and elono in gw2.

Even seemingly irrelevant details can be used for arguments in a broad topic.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

And about the big black island, you are right, we dont know what it is... but we have ideas... it could be an ancient dragon(these ideas are not all my own), and watchtower coast... we should all know about watchtower coast by now, ancient watchtowers, thought to have protected kryta from an ancient threat(i dont wanna go to the wiki i couldnt be bothered). The Norn was one idea from other people, i find it unlikely, the norn are not conqurers, as far as we know they dont have boats, and many other reasons ill let you lot discuss.

I highly doubt that island is a dragon. That would be far larger than any dragon we've seen yet. That aside, the idea of the Norn being involved with the Giant's Basin is not as conquerors, nor as an invading army, but rather as what through continual trampling of the land, made the deep pits in the ground that became the Giant's Basin. Although, I personally can't see that being the case.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Hhhmmmm ive just remembered that the verdant cascades is a much more logical place that they took saul to cos of the fact that the manuscripts say dense forest and some other reasons that i cant be bothered to remember right now...

Problem is, there aren't any structures there similar to the description in the Manuscripts.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

GrmLeon. Youre right. They could have just said jungle but if they did it would have just made people think maguuma jungle, verdant cascades seems more logical.

..That was my point, people have thought that Saul was taken to the jungle, but if he had been, it would have been easier to just say jungle and let people make the logical leap.

Winnies Bro · Jul 22, 2009, 05:27 PM // 17:27

We can only see a small portion of the verdant cascades,so it is quite a possibility that that is where saulfound the mursaat.
The island may not be an island, but... it is something, and im not the only person who thinks that it could be an ancient dragon.
My cantha and elona thread was merged with a similar, older one, but it's dissapeared now!
Edit: now that weve wrapped some things up, lets go back onto topic. Too many ideasthat have little to do with the point of this thread, although all of these ideas are interesting.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 22, 2009, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

(im gonna edit this post alot cos idont know how to quote more than 1 post)

Open quotes in multiple tabs (via right-click), copy paste over.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Konig. Meso-American? I couldnt be bothered to go onto wikipedia and search that but utopia was gonna be aztec themed.

Meso-American would be Aztec, Incan, Mayan, and Native American for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

It seems that every idea that isnt yours isnt very well supported, is unlikely, and you always come upwith loads of other things that have nothing to do with much of anything like your centaur thing in the thread i made about cantha and elono in gw2.

No, not everything that isn't mine isn't well supported. There are many things by Free Runner, Gmr Leon, and others that is well supported. And as long as it relates to lore, it relates to something.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

And about the big black island, you are right, we dont know what it is... but we have ideas... it could be an ancient dragon(these ideas are not all my own), and watchtower coast...
we should all know about watchtower coast by now, ancient watchtowers, thought to have protected kryta from an ancient threat(i dont wanna go to the wiki i couldnt be bothered). The Norn was one idea from other people, i find it unlikely, the norn are not conqurers, as far as we know they dont have boats, and many other reasons ill let you lot discuss.

This is off-topic. The possibility of the island being an ancient dragon entirely is illogocal - from the map we can see the ancient dragons, that island doesn't look like anything living. An ancient dragon could reside there, but it alone cannot be an Ancient Dragon. And someone from Anet said that the Norn is a possibility for the who/what the giants are - even though the Norn were made later in the game and originally it was just intended for it to be regular ol' giants that we see in Tyria. And why would Boats be needed? They'd travel from the same path that the Charr took - the landmass between the two Giant's Basin lakes.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Hhhmmmm ive just remembered that the verdant cascades is a much more logical place that they took saul to cos of the fact that the manuscripts say dense forest and some other reasons that i cant be bothered to remember right now...
GrmLeon. Youre right. They could have just said jungle but if they did it would have just made people think maguuma jungle, verdant cascades seems more logical.

Verdant Cascades specifically, I doubt, though possible. I think it would be in the unexplorable green area around Verdant Cascades. Remember - just because we cannot go there, doesn't mean others cannot.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

We can only see a small portion of the verdant cascades,so it is quite a possibility that that is where saulfound the mursaat.

The whole green area is not called Verdant Cascades. Just the explorable section of it.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

The island may not be an island, but... it is something, and im not the only person who thinks that it could be an ancient dragon.

Besides an island, logically, what could it be? A floating spacecraft waiting to be started up like the Eye of the North? Or perhaps instead of an Ancient Dragon it's an unknown sleeping god!

I bet you got the Ancient Dragon idea from the wikia wiki (aka, the unofficial wiki). The people there make the most baseless theories. If a theory doesn't have support, then I say it isn't well supported. You just keep bringing up theories (your own, or others) which you believe that have no to little support.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

My cantha and elona thread was merged with a similar, older one, but it's dissapeared now!

Actually, it was moved then closed. It's just been going into the past threads in Riverside.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Edit: now that weve wrapped some things up, lets go back onto topic. Too many ideasthat have little to do with the point of this thread, although all of these ideas are interesting.

Remember: You're the one who took us off topic. Until someone has something to say about the actual topic of the thread, as I've learned, the thread won't go back on topic.

Winnies Bro · Jul 23, 2009, 08:21 AM // 08:21

WOW! You write a lot, Konig!
Thanx for explaining about quoting more that 1 post, but i have another question, how do you put multiple quotes from the same post onto 1 post, you know like you just did.

Ok, thanx, i just wasn't sure.

Yeah? Well... Oh, whatever...

It's not me that brought the thread off-topic! All i did was say that it was possible that the tengu are from utopia, then LOADS of other ideas kept popping up form other people and i get the blame!

Yeah, a dragon COULD RESIDE there, i know its probably not an actual dragon.
You think my ideas are badly supported??? Some people on the guru said that they though the island was the fissure of woe!!

Arenanet said that? Cool!

I forgot aboit the fact they could just walk, lol! But the watchtowers seem to be watching the water rather than the land, did you read someones post about the norn walking on it and making ir flood... summing like dat.

gtg to london!
Bye

Konig Des Todes · Jul 23, 2009, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

WOW! You write a lot, Konig!
Thanx for explaining about quoting more that 1 post, but i have another question, how do you put multiple quotes from the same post onto 1 post, you know like you just did.

Just do the BBC code yourself (which, for quoting, would be [quote=<name> ][/ quote] without the spaces).

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Ok, thanx, i just wasn't sure.

Yeah? Well... Oh, whatever...

I have no clue what you are commenting on...

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

It's not me that brought the thread off-topic! All i did was say that it was possible that the tengu are from utopia, then LOADS of other ideas kept popping up form other people and i get the blame!

Technically, that started bringing this off-topic. As the topic is about Cantha, not the origin of the Tengu which could be anywhere or a similar circumstance to humans.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Yeah, a dragon COULD RESIDE there, i know its probably not an actual dragon.
You think my ideas are badly supported??? Some people on the guru said that they though the island was the fissure of woe!!

And that idea is actually worse! Your point?

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I forgot aboit the fact they could just walk, lol! But the watchtowers seem to be watching the water rather than the land, did you read someones post about the norn walking on it and making ir flood... summing like dat.

The response from Leon was just a theory. And it doesn't have to be another's idea... As for what the watchtowers look over - it's been too long since I've been to the area for me to know. But it could just be the general idea of "north" - if a group of giants can travel via land, what prevents them from making ships?

Winnies Bro · Jul 23, 2009, 03:49 PM // 15:49

I was commenting on the bit where you were explaining about meso-american.

I can't really remember exactly what made it go off topic, i don't think that it is my fault(lol).

Yeah that ideas was worse! My point? UUUUUHHHHH... Cos you kept saying things like my ideas are bad and badly supported, so im just saying that there are people worse than me.

Yes, you are right, it was just an idea. Watchtower coast and what the watchtowers are there for i think is an interesting topic... Hey, wait a second! I just remembered! Have you seen that thing that mentions cantha trading with tyria, elona, and the NORTHERN AREAS? I think it was on a timelime, very... Interesting!

No offence, but i don't really understand the bitwhere you explained about posting multiple quotes.

Wouldn't it be easier to just to click quote on 1 post for the number of multiple quotes you want from that post then do some deleting and copy the bits you want onto 1 post.(yes, i know this is a bit confusing)
Let's get back on topic now! PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(lol)

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Konig Des Todes · Jul 23, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Have you seen that thing that mentions cantha trading with tyria, elona, and the NORTHERN AREAS? I think it was on a timelime, very... Interesting!

Not the Timeline, but it says the Northern Continents. Meaning Tyria and Elona.

Gmr Leon · Jul 23, 2009, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Not the Timeline, but it says the Northern Continents. Meaning Tyria and Elona.

He means this:

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Originally Posted by Eye of the North Manuscripts

Commerce returned to a brisk pace once the Affliction ended, and since then, many Canthans have sought to reestablish old trade routes to Elona and Kryta as well as locate new opportunities farther north.

At least, I think.

Eliz Genevieve · Jul 23, 2009, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Remember: You're the one who took us off topic. Until someone has something to say about the actual topic of the thread, as I've learned, the thread won't go back on topic.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

Let's get back on topic now! PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(lol)*

Alright, if I may.

As some of you said, probably there won't be a second Tengu War.
The Dragon Empire is much more well organized and prepared, as they attached the Kurzicks and the Luxons and drove all of the non-human races off Cantha.

The Angchu, at least the ones we see in Factions, are peacefull and had a tentative relationship with Togo, opposite to the aggressiveness of the Sensali.

So, my guess is that, or the Angchu go into hiding, or they just accept the emperor tirany and leave Cantha.
Regarding the Sensali, they are aggressive to humans, tengu and yeti alike. So, with the new Canthan rules, they will probably rebell and be erased from the maps.