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Operative 14 · Aug 04, 2009, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Small details like the decline in land would probably be, overall, ignored if the focus is the dragon and the giant rock. The only real thing that supports this for not being "Mesa" would be the giant dial/plate.

I'd hardly call that a small detail however, that is a major topographical feature that dominates the mesa and defines it. If nothing else it's where the access stones are; it's how you get in. Not including that would be a major faux pas on the part of a professional artist trying to depict an established feature.

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Like I said before, I'd rather not suppose there is a 6th dragon - though possible. It being in the Blazeridge Mountains makes sense except that the immediate area seems to be at least semi-flat. (And a side note: "Grothmar" would be the Desert Dragon, that much has been figured out, and if they aren't, then "Grothmar" disappears from the face of the Movement of the World).

I'd rather not either.

I was just trying to illustrate that we don't have anything that ties that piece to the Mesa, or even any part of GW that we may or may not recognize. It's an ambiguous landscape with a analog to the Augury Mesa and very little else.

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Ch eck mate.

And here we are..

Now that is what I was looking for! I had been reviewing that cinematic from a recording I'd made but I didn't think of going in and look up. >_<

To play devils advocate though I suppose it might be the backside of the mesa we see in that concept piece. :/

Gmr Leon · Aug 04, 2009, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Ugh. Do we really want to go that direction, though?

Also, for anyone who wants to check that out, if you have a Monk, top out Protection Prayers and bring Pacifism, and if you're any other profession, well, just do the same. Keeps the Doppelganger at bay while you examine the place. Interesting note that isn't displayed by my screenshots, there's a giant hole in the center of the Mesa's top. Which begs the question of how there's a sharp pointed bit of rock that the dragon has its claw next to, if it's the Mesa.

Konig Des Todes · Aug 05, 2009, 03:13 AM // 03:13

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Ugh. Do we really want to go that direction, though?

Any good lorist takes in all possibilities. Like I said that it might not be the Mesa, it is equally possible it is not the front.

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Also, for anyone who wants to check that out, if you have a Monk, top out Protection Prayers and bring Pacifism, and if you're any other profession, well, just do the same. Keeps the Doppelganger at bay while you examine the place.

Or you can bring Binding Chains and cast it first if a Ritualist.

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Interesting note that isn't displayed by my screenshots, there's a giant hole in the center of the Mesa's top. Which begs the question of how there's a sharp pointed bit of rock that the dragon has its claw next to, if it's the Mesa.

Good question indeedy. I guess we'll only really know (due to the possibility of the artist changing the looks due to a not-so-every-angle-view of the Mesa) until it is confirmed or denies to be GW2 concept art.

Gmr Leon · Aug 05, 2009, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Any good lorist takes in all possibilities. Like I said that it might not be the Mesa, it is equally possible it is not the front.

Lorist isn't a word. Finally took the time to check that. Anyway, taking in all possibilities, true, but when other data presents itself that would seem to counter it, it should be discounted. This being the case, the hole in the top of the Mesa would appear to completely disprove the possibility of what is depicted in the concept art being the Mesa. Unless, of course, we want to assume someone stuffed a spire of rock into it.

And besides that..A mesa is normally called so for its flat surface at the top.

me⋅sa
–noun
a land formation, less extensive than a plateau, having steep walls and a relatively flat top and common in arid and semiarid parts of the southwestern U.S. and Mexico.

Which, all things considering, the Mesa seen in-game does fit this description prior to engaging in the Trial of Ascension. And even if we want to ignore all this, and just say the possibility still remains due to the perspective it is viewed from, we can easily do as I did, and go in-game, and examine it from the back.

Either way one looks at it, the outcrop of rock depicted in that concept art does not have a "relatively flat top."

Konig Des Todes · Aug 05, 2009, 05:54 AM // 05:54

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Lorist isn't a word. Finally took the time to check that.

Lots of words are made up daily, give me a correct word aside from scholar and I'll use it.

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Anyway, taking in all possibilities, true, but when other data presents itself that would seem to counter it, it should be discounted. This being the case, the hole in the top of the Mesa would appear to completely disprove the possibility of what is depicted in the concept art being the Mesa. Unless, of course, we want to assume someone stuffed a spire of rock into it.

I personally don't think anyone aside from yourself and a few select individuals would go into such attempts to look at the shape of the Mesa to make a drawing of it. To think an artist would start the mission just to look behind him and up would be... silly, in my opinion. As such, to state whether or not it is the Mesa from the hole which is only seen in one location, and at an obscure view at that, would be, as I said, silly.

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Either way one looks at it, the outcrop of rock depicted in that concept art does not have a "relatively flat top."

Regarding the top, this is the only thing you have said that is most legitimate for reasoning. However, as you pointed out, it would be a mesa before the opening, one may view it as no longer a mesa (whether that is a lack of a top or a more not-so-flat top) and draw it not as a mesa, but as a giant rock.

But meh, debating a concept art does get us no where anyways (the more this goes on, no matter who's side is more convincing, I'm getting tempted to close this thread as, like I said, debating a concept art is getting us no where).

Ambitious · Aug 05, 2009, 07:16 AM // 07:16

To me it looks like something equivalent of the Great Destroyer-a general to one of the "big" dragons- and that does look like Augury Rock. I haven't seen it in a while but it does resemble it a little bit.

Konig Des Todes · Aug 05, 2009, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Ambitious

To me it looks like something equivalent of the Great Destroyer-a general to one of the "big" dragons-

I highly disagree. The Great Destroyer was far from that size, and it was made out of the elements as well. Though we don't know what kind of "directly made" minions of "Grothmar" or "Malchor" are, I'd assume their generals would be like the small grunts in terms of what they're made of. If this is "Grothmar," then it is highly implied "Grothmar" will have domain over the air and lightning. I suspect something similar to the djinn, but shaped more like destroyers or some other kind of monster - that is, Destroyers made from air and lightning (where as the Djinn are beings made of water, fire, and lightning - the non-solid elements). I also assume the Deep Sea Dragon's minions to be similar to this as well.

Free Runner · Aug 05, 2009, 10:53 AM // 10:53

Perhaps we should treat it (if it even is GW2 art) as an object that we have yet to see somewere near the blazeridge mountains. I've had a look around Augury Rock and i am finding it hard to place the disc anywere - the only way i see it actually being there would be in the rock itself near the back - meaning the dragon would of destroyed the front part.

As for it being a general....i would certainly like to see the dragon that thing was commanded by. Considering it takes up half the sky without its wings,,,,

Gmr Leon · Aug 05, 2009, 05:04 PM // 17:04

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Lots of words are made up daily, give me a correct word aside from scholar and I'll use it.

What's wrong with researcher?

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

I personally don't think anyone aside from yourself and a few select individuals would go into such attempts to look at the shape of the Mesa to make a drawing of it. To think an artist would start the mission just to look behind him and up would be... silly, in my opinion. As such, to state whether or not it is the Mesa from the hole which is only seen in one location, and at an obscure view at that, would be, as I said, silly.

Regardless of looking at the in-game example, if you told me to draw a mesa, I'd draw it with a flat top. I think anyone who knows what a mesa is would do the same.

Also, wouldn't it make even more sense for Grothmar's minions, if it has them, to be something like a more twisted Sand Elemental?

Konig Des Todes · Aug 05, 2009, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

What's wrong with researcher?

Same thing I see wrong with scholar I guess - too broad a term and not that specific. Lore researcher would work, but then, lorist is easier to type. Let it be slang or not.

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Regardless of looking at the in-game example, if you told me to draw a mesa, I'd draw it with a flat top. I think anyone who knows what a mesa is would do the same.

Unless one knows the mesa was partially destroyed, thus bringing into question whether or not the top would still be flat...

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Also, wouldn't it make even more sense for Grothmar's minions, if it has them, to be something like a more twisted Sand Elemental?

I was saying that if it was a dragon of air and lightning. If it would have to be a corruptor of nature (like how Malchor seems to be a corruptor of life and death) - and thus would have corrupted versions of most/all Crystal Desert life (centaur, elementals, wurms, forgotten, scarabs, devourers, drakes, minotaurs, and riders).

Thalador Doomspeaker · Aug 19, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

There is GW2 concept art floating around out there in the ether (and I've seen them posted on many forums), but many of those pieces have not been officially confirmed as such.

Now there's a larger possibilty that it's a GW concept art after all. I hope it's "Grothmar".