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Neo Atomisk · Jun 16, 2009, 12:00 PM // 12:00

where? i havent seen one.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 16, 2009, 12:20 PM // 12:20

They are not targetable. A raven for instance can be found at Hollow's Point.

Don't recall many specific locations, but I do recall seeing them throughout.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 16, 2009, 01:48 PM // 13:48

really? my bad. i keep on thinking of the CD as itaelf in the manuscripts... completely inhabitable.

Free Runner · Jun 16, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

That piece of concept art could indeed be of Grothmar. The part just before his tail actually has the same spikes. And it has wings. I'm not going to argue as to if thats Augury Rock or not. I'll admit when i first saw the piece i instantly thought of a destroyed Augury Rock (since that would be the perfect place for such a dragon to reside considering its importance in GW1). The whole area looks like its been corrupted.

But that piece of concept art is yet to be confirmed as to if tis GW2 or just other work by the artist (although it was found with a bunch of GW2 pieces). Oh and why would a flock of birds mean it is not in the crystal desert?

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As to the Storm Lord name, without water, you haven't a storm, right? (Ignoring the obvious sandstorm/dust storms.)

From the looks of that picture it seems the dragon is creating lightning from its mouth. Possibly why it was given the name Storm Lord.

draxynnic · Jun 16, 2009, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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From the looks of that picture it seems the dragon is creating lightning from its mouth. Possibly why it was given the name Storm Lord.

Plus, under the right conditions, you can get lightning from a clear sky in a desert - and in Guild Wars, magical crystals do seem to attract it.

So it's possible that this storm dragon was initially looking for the storm-tossed Crystal Sea and found the Crystal Desert instead - but then discovered that there was still sufficiently lightning in the area to make it happy.

Mordakai · Jun 16, 2009, 05:46 PM // 17:46

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Edit: To bring this topic back to the Dragons as a whole. One of the many "suspected GW2 concept arts" found is titled "Storm Lord" and shows a Dragon in it. To me, it looks like it is over Augury Rock in the Mesa. Perhaps concept art for the Desert Dragon?

Love this pic. Also, like the site it came from

http://www.killtenrats.com/2009/06/0...art/#more-4154

He has an interesting view on the possibly Asuran construction yard.

Anyway, back to possible "Augury Rock" Dragon... doesn't Palawa Joko dam the river, and turn the Crystal Desert green again? Pretty sure I read that.

If that's the case, this becomes much more likely. The big ornament thingy in the center could have been added by Joko or the Dragon, or some other event in the last 250 years.

Gmr Leon · Jun 16, 2009, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Anyway, back to possible "Augury Rock" Dragon... doesn't Palawa Joko dam the river, and turn the Crystal Desert green again? Pretty sure I read that.

If that's the case, this becomes much more likely. The big ornament thingy in the center could have been added by Joko or the Dragon, or some other event in the last 250 years.

We do not, however, know to what extent Palawa Joko enlivened the Crystal Desert. It could just be a small region in the Thirsty River, or a large region expanding from there to the Arid Sea to the Dunes of Despair. We simply do not know, and it wouldn't be proper of us to assume he went as far north as Augury Rock. Not to mention, as Konig already pointed out, the area around it is already rather fertile due to the water there.

Also, am I the only one who sees the mountains in the background?

Mordakai · Jun 16, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

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We do not, however, know to what extent Palawa Joko enlivened the Crystal Desert. It could just be a small region in the Thirsty River, or a large region expanding from there to the Arid Sea to the Dunes of Despair. We simply do not know, and it wouldn't be proper of us to assume he went as far north as Augury Rock. Not to mention, as Konig already pointed out, the area around it is already rather fertile due to the water there.

Also, am I the only one who sees the mountains in the background?

Yes.

There is the Dragon's wing (dark, looks like mountains)

Then rain, clouds (also could look like mountains)

Then some rock pillars that are not out of place in the Crystal Desert.

I've been trying to find a pic of Augury rock for comparison, can anyone post?

Keep in mind, I'm not convinced either way, I just wanted to point out it could be Augury Rock... it could also be the Iron Citadel, or it could be a whole other area and dragon!

Konig Des Todes · Jun 16, 2009, 10:03 PM // 22:03

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He has an interesting view on the possibly Asuran construction yard.

Like I've been saying in the GW2 concept art thread in Riverside, I hope that concept - which is said to be for GW1 anyways - is not for GW2, mainly due to the modern-like city look, primarily in the background.

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I've been trying to find a pic of Augury rock for comparison, can anyone post?

-attaches from a similar view as the concept art-

Two best pics I have of shape and post-opening. Though we don't really see the opening after the mission, sadly, so it may look different. And of course, idea of what it would look like in GW2 concept may be different than what is in game.

Gmr Leon · Jun 16, 2009, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Keep in mind, I'm not convinced either way, I just wanted to point out it could be Augury Rock... it could also be the Iron Citadel, or it could be a whole other area and dragon!

And I'm merely trying to maintain a healthy amount of doubt. "De omnibus dubitandum."|"All is to be doubted."-Descartes.

In the second screenshot, Konig, the bush should be to the right, if you want it matching the concept art.

On a more serious note, doesn't the structure that the dragon is on seem a bit taller, and more narrow, than Augury Rock? I'll take another glance, but it seems to me that that is the case. Edit: Nevermind that, I obviously haven't looked at it enough to know its appearance yet.

Free Runner · Jun 17, 2009, 12:34 AM // 00:34

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Also, am I the only one who sees the mountains in the background?

I know what you mean, Its hard to tell if the things to the right of the dragon are mountains or clouds. It looks more like mountains (below the wing). However even if it is mountains this is just concept art. Its never accurate i mean look at the "Water Dragon" piece - the dragon is obviously the dragon of Grothmar and yet it is much more longer and appears to be surrounded by a sea and boats.

This could be the same for the possible Augury Rock scene. Though when looking at the pattern in the rock it actually looks alot like something you would find in the Tarnished Coast rather than the Crystal Desert.

Elementer Masta · Jun 17, 2009, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Are there any "Reports" of one of the Ancient Dragons being in the Desolation? The next question is, in GW2, will the Desolation exist in its current form: with sulfurous fumes? If so, could those yellow areas be the deposits of sulfur we see now? They even have the yellow fumes rising up in front of the structure.

Gmr Leon · Jun 17, 2009, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Are there any "Reports" of one of the Ancient Dragons being in the Desolation? The next question is, in GW2, will the Desolation exist in its current form: with sulfurous fumes? If so, could those yellow areas be the deposits of sulfur we see now? They even have the yellow fumes rising up in front of the structure.

There aren't any reports of an Ancient Dragon in the Desolation. Also, I don't think the Desolation will exist in its current form, considering Palawa Joko dams the Elon and runs the river into the Crystal Desert. This directing of the river, which would almost certainly force it to go through the Desolation, could bring new life into the Desolation as well as the Crystal Desert.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 17, 2009, 03:31 AM // 03:31

... wouldn't there be a giant lake/river with a deadly amount of sulfur?

And sorry i missed the memo, but what is the iron citadel?

EDIT: ok, iron legion balalalalalala.i guess that the shiverpeaks could fit that scenario.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 17, 2009, 05:05 AM // 05:05

It is believed from discussion by chemists on GWO's forum that the sulfur is deadly due to lack of water. Add in water, it is no longer deadly.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 17, 2009, 11:58 AM // 11:58

I still would never drink that water... too much undead and wurms lying in it.
My insticts tell me that this couldn't be augury rock due to the lack of anything resrmembling skyward reach. however, it does fit the description of a crystal desert dragon.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 17, 2009, 01:45 PM // 13:45

I just did some scouting around Augury Rock...
I don't think there's anyway that could be augury rock (if we are holding the artists to be accurate in the surroundings), as you can't see any of the cliffs or rocks around Augury Rock in skyward reach.

EDIT: Another thing I just noticed, the sky.
If you look west, towards orr, it lightens up,
if you look SE, towards the desolation, the clouds turn green. intresting.

draxynnic · Jun 17, 2009, 01:49 PM // 13:49

Over two hundred and fifty years or so, though, it'll probably run clean.

The impression I've always had is that Joko's domain - the region formerly known as the Desolation - is the area that's become fertile again. After all, that's technically part of the Crystal Desert as well. At the time of GW2, the Desolation is fertile, but the 'Ascension zone' is still a desert to be inhabited by the Desert Dragon.

That said, it may not be quite so harsh a desert due to having a river flowing nearby.

Free Runner · Jun 17, 2009, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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I just did some scouting around Augury Rock...
I don't think there's anyway that could be augury rock (if we are holding the artists to be accurate in the surroundings), as you can't see any of the cliffs or rocks around Augury Rock in skyward reach.

EDIT: Another thing I just noticed, the sky.
If you look west, towards orr, it lightens up,
if you look SE, towards the desolation, the clouds turn green. intresting.

Its concept art. Concept Art. It is never exact. You just cant compare the current Aurgury Rock with that piece for two reasons. The first being, again it is concept art. The second being as Draxynnic pointed out it is 250 years later.

It could or could not be Augury Rock - it cant be proved ether way unless the artist actually tells us which will never happen until GW2 info becomes more open. And even moreso it still isnt confirmed to being GW2 artwork. The artist that did it seems to do other commisions with very similar things to Guild Wars in it.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 03, 2009, 08:06 AM // 08:06

I have merged Neo Atomisk's thread on the location of the Ancient Dragons and their movements after waking with Free Runner's older thread on the Ancient Dragons. I also have moved two pages worth of posts on Charr Structures into it's own thread.

Please continue discussion of the Ancient Dragons here. I will also close the previous definitive thread as that has gotten too large and chaotic with so many threads merged into it that had posts around the same time (thus no order in responses).