Curse

Free Runner · Aug 02, 2008, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Thats just a statue. There are many like it in Cantha and that particular one is the same model as the two serpents from UW (which have nothing to do with the Ancient Dragons aswell). It should be noted that the Ancient Dragons are only visible in Eye of the North.

Konig Des Todes · Aug 03, 2008, 01:21 AM // 01:21

If I recall correctly, there is also that snake-dragon thing in one of the HoH maps.

That dragon, and the two lighthouse dragons, have NOTHING to do with the Ancient Dragons, they are mearly statues that were designed to be used by the Dragon Empire.

I wish people would stop thinking those 5 things were Ancient Dragons... (those 5 things being the 2 lighthouses, the District head, and the twin serpents *which are probably what are seen in the HoH map*).

natmarie21 · Aug 15, 2008, 12:20 AM // 00:20

i'm not really big on gw lore, but i just had an idea...

what if tyria (the planet) was once infested with dragons-before humans, perhaps even before the great giants, they were at their peak, but then a natrual disaster caused the majority to be wiped out(a little like how the dinosaurs were wiped out). primordius maybe sensed that it was coming, like some animals can sense a storm, and told the most powerful dragons to hibernate, possibly told drakkar to freeze himself etc
at this point, kuunavang would still have been in his egg, and probably protected by it, maybe the disaster gave him more power. for a while after this, there was nothing, then the gods came along and the rest is gw history...
i'm probably wrong about this, but i thought that it could be pheasable and could explain a few things.

Free Runner · Aug 15, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by natmarie21

i'm not really big on gw lore, but i just had an idea...

what if tyria (the planet) was once infested with dragons-before humans, perhaps even before the great giants, they were at their peak, but then a natrual disaster caused the majority to be wiped out(a little like how the dinosaurs were wiped out). primordius maybe sensed that it was coming, like some animals can sense a storm, and told the most powerful dragons to hibernate, possibly told drakkar to freeze himself etc
at this point, kuunavang would still have been in his egg, and probably protected by it, maybe the disaster gave him more power. for a while after this, there was nothing, then the gods came along and the rest is gw history...
i'm probably wrong about this, but i thought that it could be pheasable and could explain a few things.

Something may of caused the Ancient Dragons to enter their deep sleep. But i doubt it was something like a natural disaster. I'm pretty sure they would of thought of a way to escape the disaster without having to sleep - and even when sleeping how could they have avoided such a disaster. Two of the Ancient Dragons we see are pretty exposed.

I'm thinking the dragons were forced into their sleep or pushed to a limit by something. They obviously had plans to wake up and i personally think each Dragon is independent. Alot of people seem to think Primordus would be the leader of the dragons due to him being the first to awaken and having a solid name but we cant be sure they follow anyone - even another dragon.

Oh and Kuunavang is a she. We only know that Kuunavang is at least 200 years old though - we dont know if shes as old as Glint. Which is what i was saying about the whole origin thing. We're given Glints origin but Kuunavang is the seer of Factions with little backstory given. She only serves to drive the heroes forward like the seers did and we're not told anything other than she was a dragon that was trapped in the harvest temple - but what was a dragon doing inside the Harvest Temple in the first place? just being inside it must of meant that she had some importance.

Lishy · Aug 15, 2008, 03:30 AM // 03:30

In the catacombs in pre-searing, under a bridge, you can see the corpse of a HUUUGE dragon.
It really is worth checking out.

Free Runner · Aug 15, 2008, 09:22 AM // 09:22

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

In the catacombs in pre-searing, under a bridge, you can see the corpse of a HUUUGE dragon.
It really is worth checking out.

Again thats as far as we know the remains of a Giganticus Lupicas.

natmarie21 · Aug 15, 2008, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

and even when sleeping how could they have avoided such a disaster. Two of the Ancient Dragons we see are pretty exposed.

they could have cast a spell(we can safely assume that they use magic as vekk said that the place around primordius 'practically bleeds magic') or something to keep them safe, to 'fasten their seat-belts'. also if it happened to the planet tyria, they wouldn't be able to escape. and gw as far as i know doesn't include space ships.

good idea though about being forced into hibernation. and has anyone considered that these ancient dragons could be gods? we know that they can make life, we know that they are powerful, i read somewhere that they could 'challenge the gods themselves'. could these 'gods' have ruled over a once powerful civilisation, which the true gods ended up wiping out or something, so the dragons 'played dead' and will return for revenge on the true gods by wiping out their civilisation at it's peak, and rebuilding their own?

i don't think that there would have been any records of thme for 3 reasons:
1. they might not have been able to write
2. scholars in present day guild wars might not be able to translate them(asssuming that if records were written at all, they would have been written in a different language)
3. it was a long time ago, and records could have been lost or destroyed over time

you may be thinking that dwayna would be able to tell if they were dead or just in deep slumber, seeing as she is the god of life, well, what if all of these dragons attuned to something-ruled over something. if this were so, i'd guess that drakkar was god over water & ice, grothmar was god of land, and primordius....i don't know about him yet, maybe fire, or dungoens(?) i'm making these guesses based on their locations in EotN. them ruling over these things may make them harder to spot even by the gods, maybe there was a nature ritual or something. they seem to all have been well equiped in these places, known how to survive, even though some were in the open, nothing stopping natures harsh winds and snowstorms able to take its toll on the sleeping dragons, or maybe that was just because they were born survivors.

i'm probably wrong about this, but i thought that it could explain alot.

Capua · Aug 15, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

I don't think the dragons and the current gods have never seen, or faced each other, simply because I've always been of the understanding that the pantheon aren't as old as the Dragons.

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Originally Posted by Movement of the World

Sleeping monsters, aeon's old, have awakened. They crawled from beneath the earth, razor claws sinking into stone and ground over a world that has not seen their like in millennia

Though i may be wrong?

Free Runner · Aug 15, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by natmarie21

they could have cast a spell(we can safely assume that they use magic as vekk said that the place around primordius 'practically bleeds magic') or something to keep them safe, to 'fasten their seat-belts'. also if it happened to the planet tyria, they wouldn't be able to escape. and gw as far as i know doesn't include space ships.

Well if they had powerful magic that could help them to survive i'm sure they would of used it without sleeping for thousands of years.

Also the gods theories are popular ones. They range from the dragons being defeated by a previous set of gods, the dragons being a previous set of gods and the dragons being weapons of the gods. There are quite a few of them out there.

And of course Tyrias history only begins to be recorded at the disappearence of the Giganticus Lupicus (and the Dragons stretch back further than that). So nobody knows the dragons exist until they physically show themselves.

Konig Des Todes · Aug 15, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

As Free Runner already commented on most of what natmarie said, I'll only comment on this part.

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Originally Posted by natmarie21

what if all of these dragons attuned to something-ruled over something. if this were so, i'd guess that drakkar was god over water & ice, grothmar was god of land, and primordius....i don't know about him yet, maybe fire, or dungoens(?)

If the Ancient Dragons where once gods, of the dragons we know of it would be this:

Primordus: Earth and Fire
"Drakkar": Snow and Ice
"Grothmar": Nature
"Undead Dragon": Life/Death (maybe one, maybe both)
"Deep Sea Dragon": Water (maybe darkness, as it sleeps in the "darkest, deepest area of the sea")
"Desert Dragon"(if it is not the same as "Grothmar"): ?Sand? (too little on this one if it is a separate dragon from Grothmar)

Personally, until it is proven, I tend to think the "chronology of the gods" were this:

1. Ancient Dragons
2. Ancient Gods (Arachnia*if not a tossed concept*/Dhuum were a part of, maybe Abaddon)
3. "True Gods" (Dwayna, Balthazar, Melandru, Grenth, Lyssa, Kormir)

With that idea, I would say that the Ancient Dragons were beaten by the "Ancient Gods," but not killed, like how Dhuum and Abaddon *first time* were. Then the "Ancient Gods" were killed off by the "True Gods" because the "Ancient Gods" were unjust and cruel (it is known Dhuum and Abaddon were unjust and/or cruel, and if Arachnia is not a tossed concept, then she/it would probably have been as well).

Until it is proven other-wise, that is the one of a million "Dragons as old gods" ideas that I go with.

Free Runner · Aug 27, 2008, 11:24 AM // 11:24

I've added some of the concept art and fixed a couple of broken links.

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Primordus: Earth and Fire
"Drakkar": Snow and Ice
"Grothmar": Nature
"Undead Dragon": Life/Death (maybe one, maybe both)
"Deep Sea Dragon": Water (maybe darkness, as it sleeps in the "darkest, deepest area of the sea")
"Desert Dragon"(if it is not the same as "Grothmar"): ?Sand? (too little on this one if it is a separate dragon from Grothmar)

Wouldnt Primordus be Fire with Grothmar being Earth? Melandru is the God of Earth and Nature with Balthazar being the God of War and Fire.

Flinte · Aug 27, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

The Underworld dragons were twin brothers who challenged grenth and lost, how you see them is their punishment.

Where did you find that lore. I assumed that dragon(s) would fit into GW2. Not that I doubt you but I would like to see/read your source.

Free Runner · Aug 27, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Its stated by the Reaper of the Twin Serpent Mountains:

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Originally Posted by Reaper

"Long ago, the god of death was challenged to a duel by two brothers. Grenth was so angered by these two mortals, that instead of simply granting them the sweet peace of death, he turned them into twin serpents and forced them to serve him in the Rift for the rest of eternity. This mountain stands as a reminder to all those who serve Grenth. Be careful that you do not incur such a punishment."

Konig Des Todes · Aug 27, 2008, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

Wouldnt Primordus be Fire with Grothmar being Earth? Melandru is the God of Earth and Nature with Balthazar being the God of War and Fire.

I put Primordus with Earth because of the Stone/Steel that the Destroyers are made of along with the Lava/Fire. Also, note that Primordus seems to be covered in a layer of stone. Drakkar covered in Ice, and Grothmar is surrounded by water/nature. I don't put Grothmar with water because of the Deep Sea Dragon, and I put him with nature because that is what he corrupts as he flies south.

The corruption is also what I used for the labeling.

Primordus corrupts stone and fire
Drakkar corrupts ice and snow
Grothmar corrupts nature
The Deep Sea Dragon corrupts water *noticeably, in a very similar way to Abaddon with the tendrils*
The Undead Dragon corrupts the undead and living.

Edit: Would like to mention that you do not have the Deep Sea Dragon on the front page

. Need a concept art? I got one, look at the attachment.

Free Runner · Aug 28, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

Ah yes you can put that down to multiple edits. I've readded the Deep Sea Dragon though i cant find any possible concept art so it will have to do with just a description.

Gmr Leon · Aug 28, 2008, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Edit: Would like to mention that you do not have the Deep Sea Dragon on the front page

. Need a concept art? I got one, look at the attachment.

You do realize that's named Chupacabra, right? It's very, very unlikely that's concept art for the Deep Sea Dragon.

Free Runner · Aug 28, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Yes i dont think a Goat Sucker would do well as a Deep Sea Dragon.

Konig Des Todes · Aug 28, 2008, 11:09 PM // 23:09

The picture is called chupacabra, but I've seen many many concept arts with weird or unusual names. It seems they are mostly just names.

If you don't think it's the Deep Sea Dragon, then don't use it. I think it matches the concept perfectly, a fish-like creature jumping out and back into the water. I don't think a goat eater would do that.

stouda01 · Aug 29, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

found this on gamesradar.com in gw2 screenshots..look at the horns..look's slightly like grothmar's horns

..I know it's not 100% same but which concept art is same as ingame model?

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Edit: Would like to mention that you do not have the Deep Sea Dragon on the front page

. Need a concept art? I got one, look at the attachment.

Isn't it some tormented cerature? xd

Konig Des Todes · Aug 29, 2008, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by stouda01

found this on gamesradar.com in gw2 screenshots..look at the horns..look's slightly like grothmar's horns

..I know it's not 100% same but which concept art is same as ingame model?

That looks more like a candidate for a Desert creature then "Grothmar." Besides that, we already have a concept art of Grothmar, Free Runner put it on the first page, it resembles it a lot more in size and number of spikes. The one you found doesn't fit at all, and doesn't even have wings *and it's known to be able to fly*

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Isn't it some tormented cerature? xd

It's from the EN/Utopia/GW2 concept art thread on conceptart.org. So no, not really a torment creature. All the Torment creatures either look like blobs with bones or blobs with glows in concept art. For the most part at least.