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Konig Des Todes · Jun 27, 2009, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Firstly, a thread on the origin of the Eye of the North exists here.

It is on the first page of the lore forum, and is in the Archives which I made for easy searching.

If you are going to post a new thread, please make sure it is not already made. Please stop being so post happy.

Now then, to continue on what Leon said:

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

I remember reading somewhere that the mursaat like shiny things,the eotn is definately shiny!

That is no where stated.

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also does anyone know why the ebon vanguard named the eye of the north the eye of the north?

Because that is the name. The Norn also call it the Eye of the North - I believe.

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

the wiki says 'While within this outpost, looking straight up will reveal the great "eye" that this location is named after.... i havent noticed this...

The wiki's are generally incorrect and faulty at best. It should only be used as a secondary source with manuals, articles, and in-game dialogue/observations being the primary source. There is no "great eye".

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Originally Posted by Winnies Bro

you should by now have seen the strange blackness above the eye, perhaps that is a magical device that 'sees' all of tyria somehow. this is a bat farfetched but we know so little about it.

First, clouds and the sky is set in stone in the game, so you could stand and watch the sky in the game all day and it won't change. Second, assuming it is the use of magic, it is most likely a similar thing to The Astralarium in Istan - that is, the sky magically changed to observe the sky. Which would make sense as "Eye" could refer to something like a telescope or a location to observe the stars (aka an astralarium in the Far Shiverpeaks)

Again, a simple reminder please make sure whether or not threads exist before posting. I know the search option is currently disabled, but that doesn't mean you couldn't check the Archives.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 28, 2009, 03:10 AM // 03:10

I merged Winnies' thread into the existing one and deleted a number of troll/unneeded posts.

Winnies Bro · Jun 28, 2009, 08:17 PM // 20:17

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

Only moderators can do what I mentioned at the bottom of my post, hence why I said "If this were on GWO", as I maintain the Lore Forums there. The reason behind closing your threads, is due to the existence of the thread already, albeit most likely under another name. This is to lessen the redundancy of discussion, and to keep it within one topic.

Thanx but i did say that i did not know what'GWO' is.
besides that, fair enough

i had i few ideas of my ownabout the eye and i just forgot that it would have been best to just post there, sorry.

someone sais that there is nothing that says the mursaat like shiny things, i read that somewhere ages ago, i dont know when where, how or why. but i did read it im sure of it.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 29, 2009, 12:14 AM // 00:14

Just because you think you read something doesn't make it fact. If you read it on the forum or wiki, it is most likely a theory or false. If it isn't canon, it isn't support, unless you go off of that theory. And random statements which that probably was is probably just plain incorrect and was a troll.

Operative 14 · Jun 29, 2009, 02:42 AM // 02:42

Personally, I think the three fingered people that built the Catacombs built the Eye. The architecture and details are the same.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 29, 2009, 02:47 AM // 02:47

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three fingered people tha built the Catacombs? There is no source of who built the Catacombs...

Neo Atomisk · Jun 29, 2009, 05:21 AM // 05:21

1) I'm not a mod.
2) When'd konig become a mod?
3) Sauce on the 3 fingered people? my mind snapped to rift wardens but thats cuz i just got an el phantasmal tonic.
4) sorry for not being too familiar with ascalon, but I'm pretty sure the people of aascalon built the catacombs.

Gmr Leon · Jun 29, 2009, 06:38 AM // 06:38

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

2) When'd konig become a mod?

Two days ago, now, I think. My sleep schedule is a tad screwy so my record of time is a bit scattered as well.

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Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

4) sorry for not being too familiar with ascalon, but I'm pretty sure the people of aascalon built the catacombs.

That's the funny thing about it, it doesn't seem to be. That or, because we're all lore nuts we just want it to be someone or something else that created it. I honestly cannot recall for the existence of me, where exactly the speculation that it wasn't built by the Ascalonians began. I just know it's existed ever since I started out, which apparently was 3 years ago.

Operative 14 · Jun 29, 2009, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

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three fingered people tha built the Catacombs? There is no source of who built the Catacombs...

T'was meant to be more of a joke than anything, but...

In the Destructions Depths Dungeon, as well as a few others, you'll see these guys poking out of the wall.

If you'll look at the detailing on their bodies, they look similar to the architectural details all over the Eye;

And both are similar to the knots on the tapestries in the Dining hall of the CoF Dungeon (I'll get a picture soon if you guys want it). Also, if you look at the Eye, the birdies that are within and without in both pictures...

... are similar to the birds found at the foot of the southern staircase leading to the portal to the second level of the Bloodstone dungeon (I've noticed them when playing through, oddly enough I was absolutely sure I had taken a picture of them!

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I don't know who the guys poking out of the wall are, but the thing that interests me is that they only have three (or is that four?) fingers. We're pretty sure that the Asura, the Dwarves, and the Norn didn't build the Eye, and we also don't know who built the extensive network of catacombs (I use that term to refer to the EotN dungeons, not the Ascalonian catacombs in Pre-sear) throughout Tyria.

Many of the catacomb dungeons feature similar artifacts to the Eye, for instance the Knots I pointed out earlier in the pictures, the statue, and the tapestries, or even the standing water in the Monument of Honor and the Animated Face. Even beyond that, there's the extensive crystalline works in many of the dungeons that could be loosely compared to the EotN's crystal features.

The Three Fingered person statue is the only unique, intelligent looking creatures I've seen evidence of connected to the Dungeon Catacombs. And with the above, I have postulated that it might be a statue of an extinct builder race with ties to the Catacombs and the construction of the Eye.

While I do think there is a little merit to the idea, this more of a personal joke to me. I don't think this is an end-all-beat-all idea, nor do I think it's very substantive or concrete, because it's not.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 29, 2009, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Oh yes, those statues. Those are a part of my current research (which I forgot about a couple days ago until just now).

The issue is that those sculptures are only found in the Far Shiverpeaks (Raven's Point, Sepulchure of Dragrimmar, Fronis Irontoe's Lair, level 2 of DD). Nothing I've found to support them in other areas, but you claim to have found something. If you can PM the pictures (or show me where you mean in game), I'd be much appreciative. You're post added to my research.

Danke!

And I have another race that could be linked to those dungeons - the thought came by something Leon said earlier in this thread.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 30, 2009, 02:39 AM // 02:39

If the catacombs weren't built built by the ascalonians, I think its safe to say the mursaat built Fahranur.

But all evidence (or lack of it) points to the ascalonians building the catacombs, and no one has inhabitted ascalon aside from... ascalonians, as far as i know

Konig Des Todes · Jun 30, 2009, 04:04 AM // 04:04

Charr and Forgotten have inhabited Ascalon before the Humans. Well, Forgotten - southern Ascalon.

Though that doesn't mean a race didn't inhabit underneath. And the Catacombs are said to reach "all across Tyria" if I remember correctly from the Prophecies Manual.

Neo Atomisk · Jun 30, 2009, 05:43 AM // 05:43

o_o alright I guess I'll stick with asking questions, I never seem to know anything ~_~

But, iirc, the catacombs have a statue of grenth somewhere, so wouldn't that point to humans?

EDIT: yep, there are murals. Tht makes the Forgotten possible, but I'll stick with humans.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 30, 2009, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Those could have been added after the initial construction, or the "underground race" which by O14's post seems to be linked to other dungeons in terms of design and possible creator (doesn't surprise me, as I pointed out I read somewhere that the Catacombs stretch all over Tyria - gotta double check source still).

Gmr Leon · Jul 01, 2009, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Charr and Forgotten have inhabited Ascalon before the Humans. Well, Forgotten - southern Ascalon.

It never said that the Forgotten occupied southern Ascalon. In fact, from the Ecology of the Charr, it would seem to imply they never occupied Ascalon at all, and that the Charr used the Blazeridge Mountains as a sort of natural wall to keep them out.

Operative 14 · Jul 01, 2009, 08:46 AM // 08:46

My attempts to mount a screenshot expedition have not met with success, I'm still trying though.

Roupe · Jul 01, 2009, 11:36 AM // 11:36

I think the catacombs and the dungeons of GWEN, are built by civilization of Arah. Why? Because of Bloodstone Caves and the Shards of Orr. The Bloodstones were built by the gods, on the request from King Dorian.

I think there was a servent race, equivalent of Abbadons Margonites (if not the same), that the other 5 gods had. When the gods left, the servants vanished too. Leaving all the structures behind. Thus we could have 6 different styles of architecture (one for each gods building team), that built together or in tandem for the great project. For example Ice was probably Grents or his predecessors team.

The network probably was intended and used for world wide transport, communication, Magic Boosting & energy transference. Long before King Dorian asked for reducing Magic. Gatways and statues are deliberately placed. The catacomb system became obsolete due to new better gateways and practises.

At the request of King Doric Its function was then altered and now assists in subduing magic.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 01, 2009, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by GmrLeon

It never said that the Forgotten occupied southern Ascalon. In fact, from the Ecology of the Charr, it would seem to imply they never occupied Ascalon at all, and that the Charr used the Blazeridge Mountains as a sort of natural wall to keep them out.

Yeah, I misremembered. I thought it was the Forgotten who were using the Mountains in the fight.

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Originally Posted by Roupe

I think the catacombs and the dungeons of GWEN, are built by civilization of Arah. Why? Because of Bloodstone Caves and the Shards of Orr. The Bloodstones were built by the gods, on the request from King Dorian.

I think there was a servent race, equivalent of Abbadons Margonites (if not the same), that the other 5 gods had. When the gods left, the servants vanished too. Leaving all the structures behind. Thus we could have 6 different styles of architecture (one for each gods building team), that built together or in tandem for the great project. For example Ice was probably Grents or his predecessors team.

The network probably was intended and used for world wide transport, communication, Magic Boosting & energy transference. Long before King Dorian asked for reducing Magic. Gatways and statues are deliberately placed. The catacomb system became obsolete due to new better gateways and practises.

At the request of King Doric Its function was then altered and now assists in subduing magic.

I think it is foolhardy to link all of the dungeons together, especially because of the Shards of Orr (and Bloodstone Caves doesn't have any support of it being Orrian). I think that Shards of Orr, at least, exception is an exception with who built the dungeons. Along with certain parts of other dungeons (mainly, the naturally formed areas).

I am still unsure of the creators as my research isn't finished, but I don't view them all to be the same creator. Just most.

As for the 6 civilizations devoted to just one god. Very possible. We already have seen 3 such groups.

Druids=Melandru
Margonites=Abaddon
Zaishen=Balthazar

Nothing thus far supports Grenth (or Dhuum), Dwayna, or Lyssa having a civilization dedicated to just him/her. Though that doesn't mean there were more than just the three, of course.

Gmr Leon · Jul 01, 2009, 04:41 PM // 16:41

I always considered the Forgotten to be the servants of all of the Gods. This would mean that they would be the likeliest candidate for having built all of the dungeons under Roupe's hypothesis, but nothing at all supports this.

Honestly, I think any and all research into the dungeons without an obvious origin (natural, or Shards of Orr, built by Orrians (the stone work, that is) and Corsairs (the ramshackle huts, or Kaineng City homes, as one may be more familiar with) is bound to be fairly useless due to the reuse of textures. With the exception of the above-ground areas, Far Shiverpeaks, Northlands, Sparkfly Swamp, and the natural areas of the Tarnished Coast, most of Eye of the North is scrap lore.

Also, note, I said natural areas of the Tarnished Coast due to the usage of textures found in Asuran outposts in the dungeons rather randomly. However, this does not mean the outpost info is invalid, nor does it mean Tarnished Haven is invalid, as Tarnished Haven, while containing architecture, is known to be Krytan architecture, and is not used randomly throughout the dungeons.

Obrien Xp · Jul 01, 2009, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Roupe

I think there was a servent race, equivalent of Abbadons Margonites (if not the same), that the other 5 gods had. When the gods left, the servants vanished too. Leaving all the structures behind.

I think that the forgotten would fit into that description. They were ordered by the gods to handle the caretaking of the world. After the gods left, they drifted into the background. They still live in the crystal desert and if you look, there is actually forgotten architecture, its different from the elonian works, like a bee-hive, theres some by the guy who ends the 15 attb quest.