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Free Runner · Apr 10, 2009, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by fires element

i don't think spectral agony would have been that effective against the seers since they are the ones that infuse our armor for protection against the mursaat. and since spectral agony is pretty much the only skill of the mursaat that is affected by infusion i think the seers knew how to deal with it and make it a non-issue. and i do realize that the creators of the ancient/legendary weapons are unknown that is precisely my point. the builders of those weapons could have also built the eye of the north.

Well we still dont know the conditions of the war between the Mursaat and Seers. I doubt when it first started the Seers knew of the Mursaats spectral agony. We have no idea what kind of power the seers hold but for all we know they could be weaker than the Mursaat in general. We at least know they failed to win agaisnt the Mursaat.

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The ancient dragons are supposed to have the power of the gods

No they have power that rivals the gods. It doesnt mean they have the same powers as the gods.

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the gods built 'Arah' as their home, maybe this was the dragons home? Well, that's a bit far fetched, but the scrying pool in the HoM seems to be getting an influence from somewhere, whether it's a conscious influence or not. The fact that the creator of the EotN is unknown, and a supposed dragon is situated near to it, it leaves this 'Dragon' as a contestor.

If you compare the size of the 3 known dragons to the eye of the north it becomes hard ot believe they created it. Not only that but the Scrying Pool and the Hall of Monuments in general seems to be made for something the size of a human.

draxynnic · Apr 11, 2009, 06:39 AM // 06:39

Personally, I've always had the impression that the Seers developed the technique of Infusion fairly late in the war. It's never actually said (to my knowledge), but it just seems to have an aura of 'discovered too late' about it.

Which could mean that the Eye was a Seer fortress that allowed the Seers to hold their own despite other advantages of the Mursaat... until the Mursaat overran the fortress and found some way to lock it so that the Seers couldn't use it...

...but so that a Chosen could unlock it.

Obrien Xp · Apr 13, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37

The eye was made by the Seers I have no other logical option.

Nobody really knows a thing about the Seers other than our chars, and all they know is that they hate the Mursaat.

Mursaat build things out of purple/orange "Jade"

Forgotten build mounds in the ground (look at this guy if you bother to go to him there is imho Forgotten Architecture.

Charr build things that look like Helmets or war machines.

Vekk said Asura didn't build it.

Could have been a concept from Utopia.

cataphract · Apr 14, 2009, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Personally, I've always had the impression that the Seers developed the technique of Infusion fairly late in the war. It's never actually said (to my knowledge), but it just seems to have an aura of 'discovered too late' about it.

I got the same impression. We only see one Seer and he's always whispering in a sad, but proud voice. It could be that the Seer we interact with is the one who actually discovered the infusion process but was unable to share it with his people in time. Then again, I am a sucker for sad stories.

chaoslava · Apr 15, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

would make sense if it was the seer, seer is the norm for predicting future/ having visions, and with a scrying pool in the eye. The seer could have seen the hero years ago, hence why it is waiting for your character. The actual building itself could have been a base for them to battle the mursaat

Nodakim · Apr 15, 2009, 02:55 PM // 14:55

I say it was built by the Ancient Dragons.
Basicly because it is tall and large like them and because both will be a large part of Guild Wars 2.

Konig Des Todes · Apr 15, 2009, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Nodakim

I say it was built by the Ancient Dragons.
Basicly because it is tall and large like them and because both will be a large part of Guild Wars 2.

That makes for a poor argument.

It was the Ancient Dragons because both are big and deal with GW2.

Abaddon was big, by that argument, the god could have created it.

Here, tell me why the Ancient Dragons would build something, while large, that is smaller than them when it's a building?

Hildor · Apr 15, 2009, 07:33 PM // 19:33

I'm just reading the Guild Wars 2 wiki and in the Eye of the North article I found something rather interesting.

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The Eye of the North is a huge tower of unknown architecture in a remote area of the Far Shiverpeaks. It has a large base in which there is a large amount of space, topped with a breathtaking hollow spire, the uppermost bit of which appears to be broken off. One of its rooms is the Hall of Monuments, which is filled with commemorations of the deeds of a long-dead hero.

Although most races of Tyria instinctively avoid it (save for the Centaurs, who are strangely drawn to it), the Ebon Vanguard once made the Eye as their base of operations when striking out at the Charr Homelands. Since then, the minions of the dragon of ice (known to fans as "Drakkar") have driven out most of the creatures in that region of the Shiverpeaks, the Vanguard with them. The Eye of the North stands alone: isolated, abandoned, forgotten. But most of all, it stands ready.

For what reason could the Centaurs be drawn to it?

Link to the article

Konig Des Todes · Apr 15, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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For what reason could the Centaurs be drawn to it?

Link to the article

That's one of the articles I intend to clean up on the wikis. It's inaccurate and got that "info" from the Service: In Defense of the Eye quest where the Modniir Centaurs attack the Eye of the North.

I'd say it's more of their dislike towards humans than being drawn to the building. >_>

Not to mention last Wintersday proves that Norn don't avoid it, they just don't like the humans there.

Edit: Fixed the article.

Hildor · Apr 15, 2009, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Ah that clears up things. What idiot would add such info to the article just because of that quest. It's not even discussed on the talk page.

"strangely drawn to it, nice way to make rumours...

Konig Des Todes · Apr 15, 2009, 09:50 PM // 21:50

It was someone who has a decent amount of lore knowledge actually. S/He probably just misunderstood the quest or something.

Hildor · Apr 15, 2009, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Hm yes, it might be a little short sighted to start calling people idiots immedeately. I read the descriptions of the quests you get in the Eye and it seems that the Centaurs are a regular problem for the Ebon Vanguard there.

From the quest Service: Practice, Dummy

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"[Solo Quest] That near disaster with the Charr expeditionary force has me especially concerned about our ability to defend the Eye of the North. Between the Charr, the Centaur tribes, and the occasional drunken Norn we've a lot to be concerned about. I want to make sure those who remain to provide support services are trained for battle. Show those dummies who's boss."

And from the quest Service: In Defense of the Eye (where the Centaurs attack the Eye)

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"[Difficulty: Master] It's a very good thing that you trained the support personnel here in the Eye of the North. The Modniir are taking advantage in the absence of our main force. As we speak their numbers march upon us. We must not give up this base. It is our only foothold in the north and our lone base of operations behind Charr battle lines. Help us defend the Eye."

It seems to me that the Centaurs are just practicing their regular hate against humans and attacking the Eye because of the Ebon Vanguard staying there.

draxynnic · Apr 15, 2009, 11:11 PM // 23:11

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Originally Posted by Konig Des Todes

Not to mention last Wintersday proves that Norn don't avoid it, they just don't like the humans there.

Actually, I was thinking it was probably the opposite effect. I'm pretty sure that there is a mention either in the manual or in the early storyline for Eye of the North that the Norn has superstitions that lead them to avoid the Eye. It's possible, however, that after the Ebon Vanguard had been in residence and nothing bad seemed to be happening to them for doing so that the Norn have started 'getting over it'.

'Course, the place is still full of humans...

Konig Des Todes · Apr 16, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Actually, I was thinking it was probably the opposite effect. I'm pretty sure that there is a mention either in the manual or in the early storyline for Eye of the North that the Norn has superstitions that lead them to avoid the Eye. It's possible, however, that after the Ebon Vanguard had been in residence and nothing bad seemed to be happening to them for doing so that the Norn have started 'getting over it'.

'Course, the place is still full of humans...

The only reference from the Norn regarding the Eye of the North would be that the Norn no longer know who built it.

After searching though I found this from Jora:

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What is the Eye of the North?
"To the north of Boreal Station, a huge structure reaches toward the sky. You cannot miss it. It has been there since before the Norn first came to these mountains. We always avoided it. Humans, though, are less wise; a group of them, the Ebon Vanguard, have made it their home. If you seek other humans, you should go there."

However, during Wintersday at EN, you find Betsa:

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"I haven't been here since your people took it over. It's a proper homestead now. And somehow you have found a way to celebrate the end of winter in a place where winter has no end.

So we have some contradictions.

I'll say most Norn avoid it due to folklore, but the Norn aren't afraid of it and won't not go in if they want to. Afterall, besides Norn going in for the party, we also see Knorr Oaken go in to bul-*ahem* challenge humans.

Free Runner · Apr 16, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Chances are the Norn avoided it as a overall "Okay lets not go there" kinda "rule" . But that doesnt mean they didnt occasionally go by it while hunting.

And the way Jora says it "We always avoided it" implies that they avoided it up until they found out the Humans had taken up residence there. Seeing a race the Norn believe to be weaker than them begin living in a place they had feared to disturb probably caused the Norn to forget about avoiding it (leading to situations like "Mano a Norn-o")

draxynnic · Apr 20, 2009, 08:32 AM // 08:32

I suspect Free Runner is onto something there.

As another consideration - Jora seems to be from further north in Norn territory, while Betsa may be a local. It's possibly one of those places that adults avoid while children dare each other to go into... which Jora didn't get into due to (presumably) having largely spent her childhood at or near her family's homestead in Bjora Marches.

Raudic · May 30, 2009, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Since Utopia never made it, i was going to say the Chronomancer, but they could always add them in.

I could be the Seer since we really don't have much on them.

I don't think the Mursaat built it because it not their design.

Then there are the gods, it could have been build by one of them, or all of them.

Also could be build by someone we haven't meet. Well find out eather in GW2 or mabey even the Books.

the chronomancer..... nice\

it does kinda remind me of their armor

i just dont think it the gods. its too simple, even for anet.

im gonna go with seer a race we havent met yet

Neo Atomisk · Jun 17, 2009, 03:36 AM // 03:36

If you've ever taken a look at the top of the eye, you'll notice that it breaks off near the top. This makes me wonder a few things.

Where's the top?

Does it remind anyone of the chains that are high as the sky in thr FoW and hold up part of the forge?

Why is it cracked?

Konig Des Todes · Jun 17, 2009, 05:07 AM // 05:07

Simple Answer: No one knows, and there is no way of knowing at the time.

I'm not gonna bother speculating this one as it doesn't interest me, nor does all the dozens of ideas that exist in the thread already dedicated to the Eye of the North. Coulda just posted this in that thread - it is in the Archives. >_>

Pursh · Jun 17, 2009, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Well, the Eye of the North is full of mysteries, we'll never really know why the pillar is cracked. We dont even know who built it, its just a whole mystery.