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Old Dec 06, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47   #41
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imho the keystone will probably play a role along with EOTN in containing the powers of the dragons. I bet anet will send us all over to find all the bloodstone pieces, activate them, and when we reach eotn, the bloodstones reassemble and gives us the power to put the dragons back to sleep or something. and that'd be the "ancension" ceremony for gw2.
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Old Dec 08, 2008, 05:20 PM // 17:20   #42
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Thx for kicking my ass azrael.
And the eotn was madeby abaddon to combat the ancient dragons

And I still side with you on the seers.
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Old Dec 08, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27   #43
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The Eye of the North seems to have a mind of its own. When i look at its effects and role in the game i realise that its constantly pushing the hero forward. Once something relevent to the destination is complete it will "call" the hero back in order to push them further.

On it being made to combat the dragons - in actual fact it does nothing to combat them. True, it does hold them up but what is 200 years to something that has been sleeping for longer than 10,000 years. Also looking at the location of the dragon isnt exaclty going to help - chances are your going to know where the dragon is due to the amount of destruction.

My theory is that the Eye was made by something or some race to act like a Prophet. Perhaps even a mighty weapon to glance into the enemies land.
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Old Dec 08, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43   #44
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Kinda like a seeing stone from LotR... Maybe there are multiples and maybe another race, the constructor/user will be introduced as an enemy that has been spying on us?

Would be a neat twist. This thing has nothing to do with the Dragon's imo. Dragon's are basically the top of any food chain. The eotn does seem to impose missions on the hero. What do they accomplish? I would imagine it wasn't created for spying though, since it clearly implies that you should go somewhere and do something in order to stop some evil entity.

Seers help us with the Lich, sort of. They indirectly guide us. The eye is more direct, I don't think it's seer. The eye is also combatting the Great Destroyer by telling us to go do things to help strengthen our numbers. Who's an enemy of the destroyers? That's our creator(s). I think this could almost be classified as an ancient weapon, seeing as it seems to know alot about everything the enemy does. Just a thought.
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Old Dec 08, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01   #45
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I doubt the building has a mind of it's own. As for the "call" I think it is more of a game mechanic to prevent people from going "ok, I did that, now what?" and get lost in what to do.

As for the "pushing us forward" part, it only, and slowly, directs us to the Great Destroyer. At first it's indirect (just showing one destroyer, then multiple, then the great, then finally basically slapping vekk in the face with the statue). And then there is the fact that the Destroyers is what our character was thinking of, where they are. And the more uses of the Scrying Pool, the more obvious the hint.

I think that if the Scrying Pool was found during Prophecies, that it would have pointed us at Kryta/Shining Blade/Mursaat *depending on which part of the story* instead of the Great Destroyer.

In other words, to me the Eye of the North is the housing pool of an ancient "television" set that is tuned in to show what we want to see.
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Old Dec 08, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08   #46
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The Keystone wasn't there when the gods left. The volcano erupted and sent the bloodstones in different places. That one Bloodstone just happened to not go far.
Yes, it was, all of the Bloodstones were within the volcano. Dropped one by one, as the Manuscripts say if I'm not mistaken.

I agree with Konig (Azazel) on the Eye of the North, it doesn't so much as have a mind of its own as it is a tool. There's something about our characters, perhaps Ascension or Weh No Su, that allows us to activate it and then it's just a matter of learning how to use it. Towards the end of Eye of the North, we finally get the hang of it by focusing in on what we're after, then it's just a matter of locating it and traveling there.
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Old Dec 08, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35   #47
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gmr, I use the eye with lvl 10 in ascended chars to get to gunnars hold for Kilroy grinding. Ascension has nothing to do with it.
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Ascension and Weh No Su are out of the question. An Elonian who has done nether is able to commune with the Scrying Pool. It could simply react to those who are "neutral". By neutral i mean those who have no actual intentions for the device. Gwen is incredibly unstable and would use it against the Charr, Langmar would no doubt use it the same way. The hero simply activates it with no intentions (until he/she finds out more about the Destroyers).

Or it could activate based on heroic deeds - but then i would have to ask how it knows about deeds done.

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Old Dec 09, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07   #49
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Yes, it was, all of the Bloodstones were within the volcano. Dropped one by one, as the Manuscripts say if I'm not mistaken.
What I meant was that it was within the volcano, not in the exact spot it is now. Although that might not necessarily be the case, as it could have been where it is now the whole time and the other four in the volcano itself, it is just as likely that the Keystone - seemingly much bigger then the others - was not sent very far at all.


And now that I have a tad bit more time, I'll expand on what I said before - and responses:

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Thx for kicking my ass azrael.
And the eotn was madeby abaddon to combat the ancient dragons

And I still side with you on the seers.
You're welcome, and as I stated before, it does nothing to the Ancient Dragons, but shows us the path to the Great Destroyer.

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My theory is that the Eye was made by something or some race to act like a Prophet. Perhaps even a mighty weapon to glance into the enemies land.
A mighty weapon (without a mind of it's own) to view enemies, I can agree with. But that would be just the Scrying Pool, not the whole building.

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The eotn does seem to impose missions on the hero.
If any mission is imposed by the Scrying Pool, it would be the location of the Great Destroyer, therefore only one mission which is in fact what our characters was doing in the first place.

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since it clearly implies that you should go somewhere and do something in order to stop some evil entity.
How so? It just points us in the direction we seek.

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Seers help us with the Lich, sort of. They indirectly guide us. The eye is more direct, I don't think it's seer.
The Seers help us combat the Mursaat, and that is directly infusing our armor to combat the Spectral Agony).

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The eye is also combatting the Great Destroyer by telling us to go do things to help strengthen our numbers.
How has it told us to get more numbers? That was Odgen and Vekk. Then Gwen later.

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Who's an enemy of the destroyers? That's our creator(s). I think this could almost be classified as an ancient weapon, seeing as it seems to know alot about everything the enemy does. Just a thought.
Destroyers=Dwarves, Ancient Dragons=all life

Doesn't work out.

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I agree with Konig (Azazel) on the Eye of the North, it doesn't so much as have a mind of its own as it is a tool. There's something about our characters, perhaps Ascension or Weh No Su, that allows us to activate it and then it's just a matter of learning how to use it. Towards the end of Eye of the North, we finally get the hang of it by focusing in on what we're after, then it's just a matter of locating it and traveling there.
Was going to bring in Ascension or Weh No Su myself, but ran out of time, thanks for actually saying what I was going to say.

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gmr, I use the eye with lvl 10 in ascended chars to get to gunnars hold for Kilroy grinding. Ascension has nothing to do with it.
Getting to Eye of the North is not Ascension, Ascension is the Doppleganger. Also, "running" past missions does not accure with canon lore. In canon lore, both Ascension and Weh No Su occur before Nightfall even. Heck, it could be the fact that we killed a god that allows us to use the scrying pool, or it could be that we are Chosen, or blessed by the gods.

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Ascension and Weh No Su are out of the question. An Elonian who has done nether is able to commune with the Scrying Pool. It could simply react to those who are "neutral". By neutral i mean those who have no actual intentions for the device. Gwen is incredibly unstable and would use it against the Charr, Langmar would no doubt use it the same way. The hero simply activates it with no intentions (until he/she finds out more about the Destroyers).

Or it could activate based on heroic deeds - but then i would have to ask how it knows about deeds done.
If we go with the fact that it is a random adventurer who becomes a hero is the hero behind all the events and not Devona and Co, then yes, Ascension and Weh No Su are out of the question. However, being Chosen or Blessed by the Gods is not, that is relevant to all three campaigns.

I personally stick with our characters taking the place of Devona and co, which would mean Chosen, Ascension, Weh No Su, blessed by the gods, and killing a god is in fact relevant all around.
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Old Dec 09, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44   #50
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A mighty weapon (without a mind of it's own) to view enemies, I can agree with. But that would be just the Scrying Pool, not the whole building.
When you look at it, the rest of the building doesnt seem to have any function other than being a good place to hold up in. If you wanted to use a weapon that could see into the enemies land you would want a base to use it in. It also protects the Scrying Pool.

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If we go with the fact that it is a random adventurer who becomes a hero is the hero behind all the events and not Devona and Co, then yes, Ascension and Weh No Su are out of the question. However, being Chosen or Blessed by the Gods is not, that is relevant to all three campaigns.

I personally stick with our characters taking the place of Devona and co, which would mean Chosen, Ascension, Weh No Su, blessed by the gods, and killing a god is in fact relevant all around.
I think its been shown time and time again that Devonas group does not fully take the place of the hero. There are too many gaps and references ingame to the hero existing to say that. Infact Eye of the North (the game not the building) strengthens that.
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Old Dec 09, 2008, 12:50 AM // 00:50   #51
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When you look at it, the rest of the building doesnt seem to have any function other than being a good place to hold up in. If you wanted to use a weapon that could see into the enemies land you would want a base to use it in. It also protects the Scrying Pool.
In other words, the building is a "fortress" that protects a weapon. In that, we agree.

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I think its been shown time and time again that Devonas group does not fully take the place of the hero. There are too many gaps and references ingame to the hero existing to say that. Infact Eye of the North (the game not the building) strengthens that.
How I see it, Primary stuff (and the secondary stuff that we see Devona and co *possibly other secondary stuff as well*) is taken care of Devona and co, possibly not 100% just them *group of 5 where 8 is said to be, does not always work*. I see "random adventurers" *i.e., our characters*, Henchmen, and Heroes taking the place of the last 3 spots and the things that Devona and co. do not do, which, when thinking about it, will end up being about half the game, if not more. But the important stuff is, imo, done by Devona and co.
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Old Dec 18, 2008, 03:20 PM // 15:20   #52
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I doubt the building has a mind of it's own. As for the "call" I think it is more of a game mechanic to prevent people from going "ok, I did that, now what?" and get lost in what to do.

As for the "pushing us forward" part, it only, and slowly, directs us to the Great Destroyer. At first it's indirect (just showing one destroyer, then multiple, then the great, then finally basically slapping vekk in the face with the statue). And then there is the fact that the Destroyers is what our character was thinking of, where they are. And the more uses of the Scrying Pool, the more obvious the hint.

I think that if the Scrying Pool was found during Prophecies, that it would have pointed us at Kryta/Shining Blade/Mursaat *depending on which part of the story* instead of the Great Destroyer.

In other words, to me the Eye of the North is the housing pool of an ancient "television" set that is tuned in to show what we want to see.
Agreed. It's possible that the improvements of the hints are actually the result of the character getting better at using the pool.
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Old Dec 18, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47   #53
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I have to agree with azrael on the seers.

Btw does ANYONE think the mursaat and seers are aliens? I mean the seers look like stereotypical Martians. And the gods have been said to have created other worlds.

Not to mention that spectral sometimes refers to the stars.
Yep, aliens, I'd say.

Maybe the Seers built the Eye, but then again, it's probably a group we haven't met yet. I guess it's one of the big mysteries that will get answered in GWs2.
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Old Jan 04, 2009, 08:49 PM // 20:49   #54
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Since Utopia never made it, i was going to say the Chronomancer, but they could always add them in.

I could be the Seer since we really don't have much on them.


I don't think the Mursaat built it because it not their design.


Then there are the gods, it could have been build by one of them, or all of them.

Also could be build by someone we haven't meet. Well find out eather in GW2 or mabey even the Books.
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Old Apr 10, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32   #55
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i don't think it was the gods, after all what need would they have for such a device. the scrying pool is essentially a device that allows you to see events that are happening in other parts of the world. i do agree that the eye of the north is/was a fortress of some race. that being said it could potentially have been some kind of headquarters. with the scrying pool there the commanders of the army could see what was happening and send troops to where they were needed most and possibly see their enemies plans in the making to stop them before they even did anything. but with saying that i also don't think it was the mursaat or the seers. cause with the pool at their disposal they would have a distinct advantage over the other and probably would have won their "war" swiftly. so i think the builders of the eye of the north could possibly have been those that built the legendary weapons. those that built the weapons like the cauldron of cataclysm, scepter of orr, and the others. i'm not sure if it has been determined who actually built those weapons but it seems likely to me that if a race could create weapons like those then why would they not be able to build a grand fortress that protects a magical pool of water for spying on their enemies. this all just speculation on my part but it seems logical to me
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@ the war between the Seers and the Unseen Ones

The Mursaat had the ability to cloak themselves, and had spectral agony - normally they would probably have won easily. But if the Seers did in fact use the Scrying pool, they would have tactical advantage while lacking power. Therefore putting them in a deadlock.

At least, that seems logical. The Seers - who still pretty much lost the war - are at a natural downside.

Besides, Seers seeing is rather... obvious reference.

As for the weapons - creators unknown.
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It would probably have to be either the seers, as we know little about them, and they are situated within the shiverpeak area, or..

The supposed 'Air Dragon http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Air_Dragon could've built it, as it is situated extremely near to it's location, we know little about the dragon, but imo it seems to have some sort of 'Aura' leading me to believe it could be more than just a statue

But, of course, that could all be a load of rubbish and some slave race built it ^^
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I don't think dragons - any of them, Ancient or not - would even bother to create a tower. What use for it? Same argument for the Cauldron of Cataclysm.

And that "Air Dragon" I still say is a general of Drakkar.
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@ the war between the Seers and the Unseen Ones

The Mursaat had the ability to cloak themselves, and had spectral agony - normally they would probably have won easily. But if the Seers did in fact use the Scrying pool, they would have tactical advantage while lacking power. Therefore putting them in a deadlock.

At least, that seems logical. The Seers - who still pretty much lost the war - are at a natural downside.

Besides, Seers seeing is rather... obvious reference.

As for the weapons - creators unknown.

i don't think spectral agony would have been that effective against the seers since they are the ones that infuse our armor for protection against the mursaat. and since spectral agony is pretty much the only skill of the mursaat that is affected by infusion i think the seers knew how to deal with it and make it a non-issue. and i do realize that the creators of the ancient/legendary weapons are unknown that is precisely my point. the builders of those weapons could have also built the eye of the north.
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I don't think dragons - any of them, Ancient or not - would even bother to create a tower. What use for it?
The ancient dragons are supposed to have the power of the gods, the gods built 'Arah' as their home, maybe this was the dragons home? Well, that's a bit far fetched, but the scrying pool in the HoM seems to be getting an influence from somewhere, whether it's a conscious influence or not. The fact that the creator of the EotN is unknown, and a supposed dragon is situated near to it, it leaves this 'Dragon' as a contestor.
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