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Arkantos · Jun 05, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Well, its pretty obvious that the fortune teller plays a MAJOR role in the factions story.

Anyways, Why is this fortune teller? obviously she had the power to make Shiro believe the emperor was going to kill him. Was she telling the truth, or is their a dark secret about her? Did she have something against the royal family? Did she want the emperor dead?

MaglorD · Jun 05, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Well, its pretty obvious that the fortune teller plays a MAJOR role in the factions story.

Anyways, Why is this fortune teller? obviously she had the power to make Shiro believe the emperor was going to kill him. Was she telling the truth, or is their a dark secret about her? Did she have something against the royal family? Did she want the emperor dead?

Dunno but the emperor also looked evil with eye shadow and black lipstick...

Avarre · Jun 05, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

My view is she was simply an accurate fortune teller. The FT is a 'flat' character that is used to help show us more about Shiro.

I belive completely that the prediction that the emperor would try to kill him was correct. However, it was self-fulfilling. We already know the emperor could not have killed shiro himself (or why need him as a guard?). He would have had his entourage do something about it.

By killing the emperor, the champions had an excuse to kill him. This brought the prediction true as the minions of the emperor killed shiro. This is one of the reasons prophecy is so stupid, many are meant to be heard so that they will come about.

The pivotal character in the whole flashback sequence is Shiro himself, who makes all the decisions. Everything else seems already decided for him, hence the reasons he goes back to the fortune teller. I doubt she was lying to him in any way, as I said before. The flashback gives us a good view about Shiro's irrationality and aggressiveness.

We still don't know what the change of plans was in the Harvest temple. Personally I doubt it was to kill him, the 4 ritualists didn't stand a chance against him and the emperor is hardly that much of a fighter. If shiro did nothing, it is possible the prediction would have simply passed without having effect, or another situation would have arisen. Remember that Shiro is the most powerful of the canthan soldiers, he would likely have smashed his way out of the temple if it was not for Vizu hitting him from behind.

To conclude : the fortune teller was just a random person, a flat character to develop a story without developing, who wished to tell Shiro's fortune because that was the best fortune to be told. Since she can perceive the future, she was probably of the attitude to tell people about it ("Hey, I know what's gonna happen to you!"). Shiro just got pwned by a self-fulfilling prophecy, fueled by his own paranoia (and he's not exactly the smartest person anyway).

Arkantos · Jun 05, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Avarre

(and he's not exactly the smartest person anyway).

Not many assassins are too smart

anyways, your definition of the FT sounds pretty accurate

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Originally Posted by MaglorD

Dunno but the emperor also looked evil with eye shadow and black lipstick...

haha yeh...the emperor just scares me. I think he likes kurzick > luxon, he has the gothic face.

Avarre · Jun 05, 2006, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

Not many assassins are too smart

anyways, your definition of the FT sounds pretty accurate

I never even once considered Shiro to be an assassin class... he wields two weapons, and that's it. Shiroken warriors wield 4

He was appointed as a bodyguard (tank) to the emperor... who tells him in teh cutscene 'arise warrior, and take your place as my personal bodyguard.' He was a soldier in the army, walks straight without hiding, and stands out. Plus he talks like a neanderthal... warrior for sure!

Chicken Ftw · Jun 05, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

She is obviously Rurik's mother. Horrible outfit, cheesy lines, general uselessness other than cutscene filler, doesn't use mending to save her... fails at life. Yep, Rurik's mother.

lightblade · Jun 05, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

The typical "beware the ides of march" Shakespeare style

And also, Shiro is definitely N/W:
1. He uses soul reaping (Necromancer primary only) in the cinematic.
2. He have scar on his face. (Again, necromancer primary only)
3. His death wail can be a bigger version of the skill Wail of Doom (Also Soul Reaping Attribute)
4. He use raise dead (the afflicted).
5. He uses 2 sword, but swing only one of them. He never swing the sword on his left hand. The animation of his sword swinging resembles the animation of sword swinging and not dagger stabbing.

So, you can debate whether he's a warrior or an assassin, but he's definitely necromancer primary

Avarre · Jun 06, 2006, 02:14 AM // 02:14

...cough.

He absorbs the emperor's power, doesn't gain energy points from his death. Vizu also absorbed the power of spirits in Tahnnakai temple mission. It's the power of the character, not a set of the 'class', which npcs don't always have to follow. You can't move only within character classes because a), there are non-aligned people in the world of the game, and b) you require the blessing of a god to become a caster. Anyways, the absorbtion is blue, if anything it was a ritualist skill.

Scars on your face mean nothing. He's a soldier in an arrmy, you can get scars. Necromancers scar themselves in patterns to provide power, but that means nothing for people who actually get scars the normal way.

His death wail was the expended power he took over being released. Similar to ether prodigy ending, in a bigger way. It doesn't align to a class. He never uses a spell at any point in the game, besides his envoy capabilities.

The afflicted mutate as a side effect from his presence, they aren't raised from the dead. This is mentioned. He also binds souls using his capabilities as an Envoy of the Rift to create the Shiro'ken and constructs. Nothing to do with necromancy... Emmissary Heleyne (sp) is an Elementalist.

Irrelevant, but he does use both during the cinematic and the effects of the second are felt when he uses his skills in Sanctum.

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She is obviously Rurik's mother. Horrible outfit, cheesy lines, general uselessness other than cutscene filler, doesn't use mending to save her... fails at life. Yep, Rurik's mother.

What does that make Kuunavang... some twisted offspring of Glint and Rurik? The horror!!!1

I love coffee · Jun 06, 2006, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by lightblade

The typical "beware the eye of march" Shakespeare style

And also, Shiro is definitely N/W:
1. He uses soul reaping (Necromancer primary only) in the cinematic.
2. He have scar on his face. (Again, necromancer primary only)
3. His death wail can be a bigger version of the skill Wail of Doom (Also Soul Reaping Attribute)
4. He use raise dead (the afflicted).
5. He uses 2 sword, but swing only one of them. He never swing the sword on his left hand. The animation of his sword swinging resembles the animation of sword swinging and not dagger stabbing.

So, you can debate whether he's a warrior or an assassin, but he's definitely necromancer primary

as far as i know, shiro is mess up

1st, he wield a dual wep, which is for assin
2nd, he use soul reaping like u say
3nd, he laugh like a war laugh so his prim is not nec,( one of the mission/quest/ after u finsih, u c too person walking togetehr and then got kill, then shiro turn them in to aritifict and then watch closely has the way he laugh...)

i think he is a triple class

W/A/N

jsut a thought

Wrath Of Dragons · Jun 06, 2006, 03:37 AM // 03:37

fortune teller = glint.
saw this explination on another thread, have been convinced ever since.
think about it. glint is involved in everything, and even has a penchant for prophecies--(the whole "Flameseeker Prophecies")

Avarre · Jun 06, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42

You have a point... prophetic, meddling, worst voice acting ever... its a possibility!

SnipiousMax · Jun 06, 2006, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by Avarre

The flashback gives us a good view about Shiro's irrationality and aggressiveness.

I think that sums up the flashback nicely!

Hardly an innocent victim in some sinister plot.

Sol_Vie · Jun 06, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Well this is sort of off topic, but I've been wanting to show this. I didn't find this particular Factions trailer until a week or so ago and I loved it.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...pe=wmv&pl=game

It shows a more detailed encounter of the assassination.

I think the idea of the FT being Glint is interesting, but I don't think that's the case.

And Elder Rhea's voice acting is far worse. She sounds like one of those 80 year old women you find in Vegas at a slot machine smoking 13 cigarettes at once.

Avarre · Jun 06, 2006, 06:14 AM // 06:14

Elder Rhea's voice is still better than Kuunavang's.

Kuunavang is fortune teller x danika x glint. The only genetic way such an abomination could be created was the offspring of rurik and glint, raised by danika and elder rhea as a couple, with the fortune teller as their ancestor.

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It shows a more detailed encounter of the assassination.

I wish people would stop calling the murder of the emperor an assassination... it wasn't. It was a straight out murder. Assassinations for one are premeditated, whereas Shiro made the decision then and there to kill him. They also imply some sort of covert entry or concealment of weapons. Shiro always has his swords out, he just decided to use them. Second-degree murder/regicide, not assassination!

Rhedd · Jun 06, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

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Originally Posted by lightblade

The typical "beware the eye of march" Shakespeare style

Oh noez! The eye of March!!!

Sorry, but it took me seven posts to stop laughing before I could post. :P

It's, "beware the IDES of March."

Ides
pl.n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
The 15th day of March, May, July, or October or the 13th day of the other months in the ancient Roman calendar.

lightblade · Jun 06, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Rhedd

Oh noez! The eye of March!!!

Sorry, but it took me seven posts to stop laughing before I could post. :P

It's, "beware the IDES of March."

Ides
pl.n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
The 15th day of March, May, July, or October or the 13th day of the other months in the ancient Roman calendar.

Ok fine, I edited that part.

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Originally Posted by I love coffee

he laugh like a war laugh so his prim is not nec

We shouldn't judge an NPC's class by their animation. You ever notice Danika the monk of kurzick is using elementist's animation? But she's a monk! So animation doesn't proof anything. Shiro is necro primary.

capblueberry · Jun 06, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I dont know who she is but i think her voice is insanely annoying, sounds like a women version of John Wayne

Crazyvietguy · Jun 06, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

Omg Is It Gwen!?!?!?!? :d

MrGuildBoi · Jun 06, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

This is the fortune teller...

Ristaron · Jun 07, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Sol_Vie

And Elder Rhea's voice acting is far worse. She sounds like one of those 80 year old women you find in Vegas at a slot machine smoking 13 cigarettes at once.

I read that five minutes ago and I'm still laughing.