Curse

Free Runner · May 29, 2009, 04:43 PM // 16:43

They were "sent" by Abaddon as part of his plan. How they got there (via portal, via Abaddons magic ect) is up for speculation. Think of Terick and the Fortune Teller. The titans the Charr worshipped were like them.

Konig Des Todes · May 29, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

The Ecology of the Charr say how the Charr found the Titans. What is unknown is how the Titan (singular) got there and which is it. I believe it got there via Odran's Portals and is Saevio Proelium which was caputured by the Order of Whispers 100 years after the Burnt Legion found the Titan at Hrangmer.

Mordakai · May 29, 2009, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Thanks for the info on the Charr and Titans, I re-read the ecology again.

Further off topic: No one knows where the Mursatt came from, or why they hate the Titans, correct?

Konig Des Todes · May 29, 2009, 10:52 PM // 22:52

No and it's unknown if they actually hate the Titans. They just knew that the Flameseeker Prophecies would bring their death, so they made sure that the Door of Komalie kept shut. It's not even known if they knew that Titans were behind there.

Obrien Xp · May 29, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

I wonder what happened to wizard's folley. Was it simply annihilated by crystal meteors? I don't think so, it was completely sunken below the standard ground height, I try to go to it in post and its just an empty valley that doesn't end.

Malchior · May 30, 2009, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

I wonder what happened to wizard's folley. Was it simply annihilated by crystal meteors? I don't think so, it was completely sunken below the standard ground height, I try to go to it in post and its just an empty valley that doesn't end.

I do know that the searing caused the snow to melt away, because fires went on for quite some days I imagine. As for getting there, it is possible that it was made inaccessable by the landscape being changed. Lots of places have changed their landscape, minor or majorly.

Glaax · Jun 22, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Well in the quest "Fire and Pain" it's hinted that the charr are preparing yet another 'searing' and you have to stop it although it isn't a confirmed certainty that they're not bluffing so it could be reusable. Also the reward dialogue hints that in order to activate the magic, a titan is 'required' this could mean that the crystals come from maybe a huge burning titan's own chunks of body or something to do with the titan's for the searing to take place.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 22, 2009, 08:14 PM // 20:14

The Fire and Pain reward dialogue:

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The Charr were attempting to recreate the ritual of the Searing? Had anyone else told me, I would not have believed such a thing possible. It is well that they did not succeed, and we can hope that their vile magic died with them. If it is true that the Charr needed the Titan that once dwelt in Sacnoth Valley for their ritual, the Ebon Vanguard will see that Charr never set foot here again. You have done a great deed for us all, [Character Name].

It is not sure that the Titan was needed.

Also, the only "hint" of a Searing is this:

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I know that Pyre has cast a shadow upon them. They claim that the herald of our victory will ignite the sky with a fire as fierce as our souls. It won't be long now.

The herald was believed to be a Titan, and the line "ignite the sky" was believed to be another Searing. The believed part was done by Gwen, seemingly.

The "heralds of our victory" was probably simply the Shaman Caste's new gods - the Destroyers. And the wording of igniting the sky was probably used by the Shaman because either: A) they like the fire or B) the Shaman knows the Charr remember seeing the Searing, so they would think they will caste another, and as such will prove they still have power.

It was probably a desperate attempt without thinking of the placement of the Cauldron - if it wasn't a bluff.

ajc2123 · Jul 01, 2009, 10:18 PM // 22:18

I've got a question. In the Crystal Overlook in the sulfur area, there appears to be a cauldron shrine thing that looks almost exactly like the one used in the searing.

Was that possibly how the charr planned to invade Orr before it blew itself up? It's highly doubted though since the radius doesn't make sense, and how could charr survive in sulfur?

Free Runner · Jul 01, 2009, 10:25 PM // 22:25

The Charr planned to invade Orr by going through the ruined Ascalon (after being hit by the Searing). As far as we know they never planned a second searing - they went directly for Orr while it was weak and confused (the Guild Wars and the sudden suprise no doubt caught them off guard). Thats when the Advisor blew it up and took Orr and the Charr down.

As far as we know theres only one Cauldron, or at least the Ecology never mentions a second one. So we have no idea what that second one is for.

draxynnic · Jul 02, 2009, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Hrrmn... This is wild speculation but... the 'real' Cauldron being unnaccounted for, if we accept the possibility that Straut Flamebourne was either delusional or not actually trying to recreate the Searing, it is possible that they brought the Cauldron along as an insurance policy - if things didn't go so well in Orr, they could use their super-weapon once again... but then Khilbron beat them to it.

(Note the multiple incidents of "ifs" and "possibles" in the above paragraph - I am not actually saying that I believe this to be the case, or even that I believe there is a particularly high probability that it is the case... just that the probability might be nonzero.)

Lord Jim · Nov 20, 2009, 08:59 AM // 08:59

/sigh, Cauldorn was maybe created by Abaddon, but it contains magic older than anything in Tyria, even more than Gods. I think credits goes to Elder Dragons (again) as even Abaddon don't have enough power to create Searing. ( if he had , why wouldn't he break out from his prison earlier? )

Konig Des Todes · Nov 20, 2009, 09:38 AM // 09:38

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if he had , why wouldn't he break out from his prison earlier?

Because the powers of one god is still less then the power of five?

Lord Jim · Nov 20, 2009, 11:37 AM // 11:37

Ha ha ! Found that finally !

From "Ecology of the Charr" GW2 wiki :

"It is said the Cauldron’s magic was older than the Charr, older even than recorded history, and forged by ancient entities fallen into sleep and quiescence."

So it is final confirmation that all of Searing was Dragon's fault.

Gmr Leon · Nov 20, 2009, 11:04 PM // 23:04

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Originally Posted by Lord Jim

Ha ha ! Found that finally !

From "Ecology of the Charr" GW2 wiki :

"It is said the Cauldron’s magic was older than the Charr, older even than recorded history, and forged by ancient entities fallen into sleep and quiescence."

So it is final confirmation that all of Searing was Dragon's fault.

It is not. It's entirely implied, but it is not complete confirmation. There's much missing in Tyria's history, thus it could be anything.

draxynnic · Nov 21, 2009, 05:56 AM // 05:56

It could, to throw one semi-random possibility into the ring, have been a creation of Dhuum or his servants.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 21, 2009, 06:57 AM // 06:57

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

It could, to throw one semi-random possibility into the ring, have been a creation of Dhuum or his servants.

Or Abaddon's predecessor, or any of the unknown-if-they-even-exist-predecessors of the other four gods.

All we know of the origin of the Cauldron of Cataclysm, is that it is powered by magic from ancient entities who are slumbering. Elder Dragons? They fit the bill. Dhuum? He fits the bill. The other predecessors? Assuming they are not dead but imprisoned like Dhuum, by far yes.

prism2525 · Dec 23, 2009, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by Gmr Leon

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Originally Posted by Lord Jim

Ha ha ! Found that finally !

From "Ecology of the Charr" GW2 wiki :

"It is said the Cauldron’s magic was older than the Charr, older even than recorded history, and forged by ancient entities fallen into sleep and quiescence."

So it is final confirmation that all of Searing was Dragon's fault.

It is not. It's entirely implied, but it is not complete confirmation. There's much missing in Tyria's history, thus it could be anything.

I think he's right. It does state that it's older than recorded history. Even the gods are recorded by the scriptures. So unless there is some other unknown entity, I blame the dragons.

Gmr Leon · Dec 23, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by prism2525

I think he's right. It does state that it's older than recorded history. Even the gods are recorded by the scriptures. So unless there is some other unknown entity, I blame the dragons.

Which is fine, but going around stating that it is, as he said, "final confirmation" is simply untrue. If it was, we wouldn't be having this conversation to begin with.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 23, 2009, 12:40 PM // 12:40

The question is, where does recorded history start? Simply 786 BE, first note of humanity on Tyria (in Cantha). Or perhaps 1769 BE, when the Forgotten are said to arrive. Or does it include 10,000 BE, the last sign of the Giganticus Lupicus (and why are they left out of the list of potential sources for the Cauldron of Cataclysm? They existed before 10,000 BE...).

So is it before humanity's record of history (which cannot predate the human race), the world's record of history, or the records of the discoveries of the past (i.e., before the records archeology has brought)?

If it is before simply humanity's record of history, it could by hundreds of possibilities. If it is before the world's record of history, then chances are it is older than the gods, but that doesn't force it to be the dragons. Same case with before the records of things found out about history.