Curse

Gmr Leon · Jun 08, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

The mysteries behind the Temples of Grenth and Balthazar have long been pondered over by many lore researchers in this very forum. For some they became definitive displays of Mursaat architectures, for others a source of much controversy. The eyes that adorned the structures, the key source of all this. Some would say they were depictions of the Eye of Janthir, and for a time this was taken as fact. These Temples were built by the Mursaat. However, I dislike this simple reasoning, the Mursaat are a complex race in Tyria, and should not be taken so lightly.

Two people in particular sparked the thought that brings this theory about, one that the Mursaat were the "architects" of the world, the other that the eye itself is actually a representation of the Five Gods. I think that, in fact, the eye is actually a representation of the Five Gods, that it is a symbol of them watching over Tyria. However, why place such symbols of importance in these strange isolated locations if you want your worshipers to know of it? This is where the Mursaat come in, I think that they worked in the background, building structures and cities before any human. Worshiping the Five Gods at one time themselves, and followed in their every step.

When the Exodus occurred, they felt betrayed, and abandoned their Temples, but did not deny their existence themselves. How could they? They sat on proof in the Ring of Fire Islands Chain, and in Bloodstone Fen. However, they needed to keep the Five Gods' remnants contained, their mess, so to speak. The Bloodstones were mainly guarded by them and they chose to use the ones that were close enough to be of use. It would seem likely that they had not been sacrificing the Chosen prior to their meeting of Saul, and it was by the Eye of Janthir that they discovered this property of the humans. That there was something significant about them, they must have discovered eventually that their blood could activate the Bloodstones.

I suspect that the runes and glyphs we see on Bloodstone Fen and the Bloodstone in Hell's Precipice were not actually there originally, rather they were put there by the Mursaat. Take note that the Bloodstone in the Bloodstone Caves shows no such markings and it looks very much like what may be a Bloodstone in its primitive state.

However, it also seems that the Mursaat may have known of its presence, and learned of another use for the runes that they had used previously. As seen here:

However, I have overlooked something, return to the Temples for a moment and then remember the Temple of Grenth in the Underworld, it seems possible that the Five Gods did not notice their devotion. As such they most likely contracted them to build Temples of grand magnificence in places chosen by the Gods themselves. Grenth perhaps even allowed their presence in the Underworld to construct his very own palace, his throne, of the Underworld.

What brings me to this conclusion is something that has caused endless debate amongst those researching here.

This:

And this:

I think that I, with ideas from one who suggested they were architects, have found the link here. However, you may ask, what does this have to do with Abaddon's taste for eyes? The eyes are a symbol of the Five Gods, as I stated earlier, the Gods erased nearly every trace of Abaddon. His revenge is taken in a similar way, in feasting on the eyes of those who worship the Five Gods. Their symbol becomes torment for their devout worshipers.

Another element, to add to the Mursaat being architects, is found in Abaddon's domain, actually. Something I had noticed quite often as I explored the Atrocity Library is the bridge at the entrance to the Domain of Secrets. Its architecture resembles the Temples to Grenth, and Balthazar, and the very architecture of Grenth's own palace. What secrets are there to be found in that? The Mursaat while devout worshipers, did not want to be known by the other races, indeed it was only by chance Saul found them. So in a way it represents the secrets Abaddon held about the origins of this strange, yet magnificent architecture.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 08, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

your screenshots, like most ppls, make me wish my laptop sucked less enough to turn the graphics up.
am i the only person whos laptop cant run gw amazingly?

well thats my initial reaction, ill maybe edit when i actually read the post

dread slayer · Jun 08, 2008, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Nice info...... but will wait for more arguments...

Konig Des Todes · Jun 08, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

First, I must say I never noticed that symbol on Grenth's Palace.

Second, about the Realm of Torment architecture. I believe that it was said by a NPC that the realm is shifting to look like the real world. That is evident in Nightfallen Jahai and Abaddon's Gate (looks like Istani corrupted), what's to say that the architecture there is not just a copy of something in the world of Tyria?

Also, I believe the architecture of the Temples look a lot like the Eye of the North, which also looks similar to the building in Asford Abby/Sardelac Sanatarium. I personally think that the Seers built the eye of the north, as it its different then the usual Jade buildings by the Mursaat. If that were truem then the temples and that building in Asford Abby would be by the Seers too. Of course thats pure speculation on my part.

Nice theory and evidence, none the less.

Gmr Leon · Jun 08, 2008, 10:44 PM // 22:44

Technically only Nightfallen Jahai really resembles the real-world. More areas like it would almost certainly be added, had he successfully managed Nightfall. In the case of the Domain of Secrets, however, it's known for the, well, secrets it holds and not to mention the presence of the Atrocity Library.

Oh, and you wouldn't believe the in-between hypothesis/theory I have on the Eye of the North. No, I'm completely serious, it'd blow you away.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 08, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

Well, the only GW theory that "blew me away" as I read it was the whole Odran was a mursaat, which was what started the Mursaat being architects, was it not? Also, only Nightfallen Jahai is close to resembling the real world, however there are bits here and there that resembles the real world, like the corrupted Great Sunspear Hall that can be seen in Abaddon's Gate outpost.

Gmr Leon · Jun 09, 2008, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Well, the only GW theory that "blew me away" as I read it was the whole Odran was a mursaat, which was what started the Mursaat being architects, was it not?

Not really, I'd say it was the Odran was a Mursaat thing that brought about the everything is related to Mursaat contagion.

Konig Des Todes · Jun 09, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

I just remembered that there is a fan-made comic of GW. It has that symbol you talked about as the symbol of Odran. Of course that is probably that person's idea on that symbol, but its a possibility and seeing how Odran traveled through the rift, I think it may be possible that he left his symbol in the Underworld and in places throughout the world.

Here is a link to that fan-made comic for those who could use a funny read.

Neo Atomisk · Dec 08, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

nice idea.

And the idea just occured to me that abaddons 6 eyes could represent all 6 gods.
Sadly, this leads to the "abaddon was a good guy" path, so I'll get flamed on it.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 09, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Actually, Neo, people overall are more Abaddon sympathizers then haters as it seems. This includes Jeff Grubb(sp?) (one of the lore writers for Anet - who wanted to have Abaddon redeemed instead of killed).

And I highly doubt that Abaddon's six eyes represents all 6 gods, I think that the six eye thing is just a fav of Anet, as many things have six eyes - like many things have spikes.

carnage-runner · Dec 09, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

6 eyes. One to maybe watch each god.. Including himself.???

mist12 · Dec 10, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

What if the 6 eyes were a mutation from being in the RoT for so long? Yeah I know that's out there but just a thought. I mean having spent so much time plotting a way out Abbadon could have forced new eyes to help over see his many followers trying to help him. He could have not trusted them to the point he wanted to watch what they were doing to help him escape. Just random thought.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 10, 2008, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Mutation is highly unlikely.

The depiction of Abaddon in Gandara shows him with 6 eyes, and that is a depiction prior to the Exodus (supposedly).

Also, a recent find in the Dasha Vestibule mission:

"My eyes see all"

With that, I'd say that the eyes are a representation of Abaddon's knowledge, and with removing the eyes of his enemies, he (symbolically) removes/steals their knowledge.

Him removing eyes of his enemies like Kormir is like shouting out "I'm Baaaaaaaack!"

Neo Atomisk · Dec 10, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Wow! My idea didn't get shitted on. And with all the other stuff that gets made up here, 6 eyes to watch over the gods doesn't seem preposterous. And you yourself, azrael, said I shouldn't bring up abaddon b a good guy.ein

Konig Des Todes · Dec 10, 2008, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo Atomisk

Wow! My idea didn't get shitted on. And with all the other stuff that gets made up here, 6 eyes to watch over the gods doesn't seem preposterous. And you yourself, azrael, said I shouldn't bring up abaddon b a good guy.ein

First,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

the six eye thing is just a fav of Anet, as many things have six eyes - like many things have spikes.

Second, Shouldn't bring it up, yes, but many people favor him. The reason why you shouldn't bring it up is because it has brought flames and going off-topic debates in the past, however it seems those have quelled, as shown by your first post in this thread.

carnage-runner · Dec 10, 2008, 09:33 PM // 21:33

The count of eyes must have some significance. If six is a number anet favors, there is a reason. As for him taking eyes to steal knowledge, I agree, but that doesn't explain why he has exactly 6 eyes and not 100,000... Look at your list of gods Azazel.. 6 gods inlcuding himself. One for each god, one for himself to use. This could also mean 1 eye for each special field that each god is attuned to. Balth- War-smite. etc. Things like that. 6 has some sort of significance, it's a matter of putting 3 and 3 together to figure it out.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 10, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Carnage, I think you are going in too deep for the eye thing. Many things have six eyes, from the Hell Hound and the horse of the Necrid Horseman, to Titans and Abaddon.

Some things have two eyes, some have four, some have 10. The amount of eyes doesn't have to have significance. That's not saying it doesn't, but I find it highly unlikely. And you can link anything to "6 eyes."

But if you do find something, and that is something that isn't "well this occurs so this and that must be connected!" - provide backup - then I'll be sure to listen.

carnage-runner · Dec 10, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

But we are reffering to a god. Someone of mass importance to the plot line. Every physical/mental aspect of each god has been picked apart. (I remember the talks of Menzies Spikes lasting days) 6 eyes on a god, should have some significance. Maybe this is a new post. I'll start a new thread discussing physical attributes of gods.? Or is that already out there somewherE?

Konig Des Todes · Dec 10, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

As far as I know, physical aspects of gods do not have a thread - and seeing how I went through every thread in this forum, I would know.

I do have comments on the physical aspect thing, but I shall leave that to your thread.

Neo Atomisk · Dec 10, 2008, 10:55 PM // 22:55

I believe what carnage is trying to say is that things with 6 eyes could be followers of abaddon. Similar to the way dryders and insects have many legs, similar to arachia.