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Armageddon (Varying Name) · Sep 07, 2009, 08:43 AM // 08:43

So is abbadon truely gone or is he the new member to the broken god club joining dhuum and will be harassing people or is he actually dead?

Konig Des Todes · Sep 07, 2009, 10:27 AM // 10:27

Unknown. We don't even know why Dhuum is still alive - if he is alive. Dhuum was the God of Death, so he might have known a way to fake it. Or Dhuum could just be a spirit now that leads an army.

If we see Abaddon again, it will most likely be as a spirit.

Xsiriss · Sep 07, 2009, 01:05 PM // 13:05

Or it could be a guy posing as Dhuum!1111 Seriously,considering we know nothing about the nature of the GW gods and whether they can avtually die,it's all pure speculation.

saloking · Sep 07, 2009, 01:41 PM // 13:41

ofcourse Abaddon didnt die... if now Abaddon would die there is no chance of him being killed by a bunch of weak mortals. we only "think" that we killed him. tbh now i think that Abaddon is chilling with his homie Dhuum in a underworld palace. btw if your a god and u get killed by mortals you fail big time.

draxynnic · Sep 07, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

It really is unknown. It seems likely that, unlike Dhuum, there isn't going to be a little Abaddon running around causing trouble afterwards, but it's been theorised that there's a little core of Abaddon left in Kormir that may eventually take over...

...or that there was a little core of the god that Abaddon supplanted that first corrupted Abaddon and is now working on Kormir.

assassinx · Sep 07, 2009, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

but it's been theorised that there's a little core of Abaddon left in Kormir that may eventually take over...

...or that there was a little core of the god that Abaddon supplanted that first corrupted Abaddon and is now working on Kormir.

omg id love to kill kormir! her and zhed.

Trader of Secrets · Sep 21, 2009, 07:29 AM // 07:29

i think abbadon just got formally dethroned, i think it would take more to kill a god

Catchphrase · Sep 21, 2009, 08:33 AM // 08:33

I think the only way for Abaddon to 'die' is to have no living thing in existence who remembered (regardless of in fear or reverence) his existence including margonites. It kinds of explains why other gods try to destroy every shrines on the surface world which are erected in his resemblance; to deny him of worshipers to strengthen his powers. The same logic could applied to why Dhumm and Menzies didn't die because they still have demons and minions who believe in their existence.

draxynnic · Sep 21, 2009, 11:25 AM // 11:25

Well... we don't know what happened with Dhuum and Menzies exactly, so Kormir's ascension may in fact be a little more 'final' than Dhuum being cast down by Grenth.

Your theory is possible, but an alternate hypothesis is that the gods just wanted to minimise the possibility of somebody doing something to wake him up (or to make sure that if he did get wakened that there was someone who'd done enough digging that they'd make a suitable candidate for the role).

Konig Des Todes · Sep 21, 2009, 09:23 PM // 21:23

We don't even know if Menzies is a god or former god. He may just be a mortal spirit who has rallied other spirits and demons under him (all linked to shadows and darkness...).

Al Dente · Nov 01, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by Catchphrase

I think the only way for Abaddon to 'die' is to have no living thing in existence who remembered (regardless of in fear or reverence) his existence including margonites. It kinds of explains why other gods try to destroy every shrines on the surface world which are erected in his resemblance; to deny him of worshipers to strengthen his powers. The same logic could applied to why Dhumm and Menzies didn't die because they still have demons and minions who believe in their existence.

This. Abbadon is Freddie Krueger, after all...

Necromankas · Nov 01, 2009, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by Catchphrase

I think the only way for Abaddon to 'die' is to have no living thing in existence who remembered (regardless of in fear or reverence) his existence including margonites. It kinds of explains why other gods try to destroy every shrines on the surface world which are erected in his resemblance; to deny him of worshipers to strengthen his powers. The same logic could applied to why Dhumm and Menzies didn't die because they still have demons and minions who believe in their existence.

In other words, stop thinking about him =P

could the same be said for The Lich and Shiro?

Konig Des Todes · Nov 01, 2009, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by Necromankas

could the same be said for The Lich and Shiro?

Khilbron and Shiro are not gods. :P They are a god's servants.

jonnieboi05 · Nov 01, 2009, 05:30 PM // 17:30

imo Abaddon was just dethroned and Dhuum is still very much alive. Heck. The .dat wouldn't have skills for Dhuum is he WASN'T. Right?

~LeNa~

draxynnic · Nov 03, 2009, 10:35 AM // 10:35

The difference between them is that Abaddon was eaten by Kormir. Grenth, however, "wasn't powerful enough" to eat Dhuum this way, so Dhuum was imprisoned instead. (Although since Lyssa and Kormir said that assuming Abaddon's mantle was "a choice only a mortal could make", maybe the truth was that Grenth, by already being more than mortal, was too powerful already to absorb all of Dhuum's power.)

Faroth the Huntress · Dec 06, 2009, 06:13 PM // 18:13

From reading bits and pieces of lore for Guild Wars, it seems that the Gods of Tyria aren't as powerful as some other gods from other cultures may be.

Please correct me if I am wrong and this has been disproved before, but maybe when a God comes to the world, they are less powerful, and able to be killed by mortals.

draxynnic · Dec 06, 2009, 10:32 PM // 22:32

Well, they certainly lack the omnipotent quality, but that's a natural result of being a polytheistic pantheon.

On the whole, I'd guess they're on a similar level to polytheistic pantheons in Earth's mythology, such as the Norse gods - which is to say, quite powerful by human standards, but they still have enemies that can rival them in power.

Faroth the Huntress · Dec 07, 2009, 03:28 AM // 03:28

From the descriptions given to us on the Dragons, the Dragons are closely matched to the Gods. Which may form a plot in GW2.

Konig Des Todes · Dec 07, 2009, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by Faroth the Huntress

From reading bits and pieces of lore for Guild Wars, it seems that the Gods of Tyria aren't as powerful as some other gods from other cultures may be.

Please correct me if I am wrong and this has been disproved before, but maybe when a God comes to the world, they are less powerful, and able to be killed by mortals.

As Drax said, the gods of Tyria are as mortal as any real life polytheistic god, and there are beings that rival them (only known ones for lore would be the Elder Dragons). But as for the "weakening when they come to our world" - nothing supports or denies this, however, Abaddon and Dhuum are hardly in our world. They are in the Mists (possibly the Rift specifically), and they are rather weak compared to the players (though in both cases we get major help - with Abaddon we get the blessing of unknown affect, which I go so far as to say it is stripped when we dance in front of Abaddon - and with Dhuum the seven reapers aid us - and in both cases, the god just freed himself thus is very weak compared to his normal power).

amitai · Dec 08, 2009, 06:18 PM // 18:18

abbadon is absolutly dead and he was consumed by kormir... who knows maybe his evil power might affect her