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Rathcail · Sep 17, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Most likely dialogue that got put into a wrong collector.

I wouldn't say the collector looking like the fortune teller is unusual, considering how the necromancer headmaster in Shing Jea also uses the same model.

Addone_Abaddon · Sep 17, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

you never know

Heads8 · Sep 18, 2006, 04:57 AM // 04:57

can somebody tell me how do i start a good guild?

xiao1985 · Sep 18, 2006, 05:23 AM // 05:23

wrong forum?! try the guild forum

EtherealByte · Sep 18, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

step 1 - go back in time to prophecies release
step 2 - invite all the cool ppl (who r now in settled guilds)
step 3 - ???
step 4 - PROFIT!!!

No really... good luck recruiting. Nearly 99% of the people i meet already have a guild.

edit: oh, and wrong forum as above person states.

Solar Light · Sep 19, 2006, 06:14 AM // 06:14

our beloved Turi Ossa mentions that the Magronites failed to Ascend in the Desert, however, in the PCgamer mag, it mentions that the Margonites are servents of the Evil God.

So, how did they turn from failed ascendents into their current state?

and... how do you think Glint may play a part in nightfall, seems like a loose end to me.

*wonders if glint is the Evil God...*

arcanemacabre · Sep 19, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

The Margonites appear to be much like the biblical Babylonians, which also seems to fit the setting of Nightfall. They created a large tower to try to 'physically' ascend to the gods, probably to try to be equals, as the Babylonians did in the famous "Tower of Babel" story.

If it follows that story even a little, it could mean that the gods (the fab 5, possibly against the wishes of the sixth) became angry at them and struck them down, possibly disfiguring them to the forms they're in now (if the were human). That might be the point at which they relinquished worship of the 'fab 5' gods and decided to only hail their one god, the sixth.

That's all speculation, of course, but it sounds resonable, I think.

Oh yeah, as far as Glint goes, who knows? But if she plays a part, then I think Kuunavang should, too. Both seem to have their hands in the fates of all the main characters and heroes. Remember, Glint was more of a prophet, while Kuunavang seemed to interract a little more personally, and physically (through the use of celestial skills).

Neriandal Freit · Sep 19, 2006, 12:04 PM // 12:04

Kuunvie was just a very ticked off girl for having someone like Shiro take over her

Glint allows things to go on as they must be and doesnt want to interact with the mortals unless she has to. Which could be how Kunnvie sees it also.

I'm sure we'll see the Margonites in Nightfall and thigns expanded that we've seen in teh desert.

Kai Nui · Sep 26, 2006, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Kunvie is actually a different dragon from Kuunavang. Just FYI.

Kai Nui · Sep 26, 2006, 05:18 AM // 05:18

Alright, since I'm sure Nightfall's intricate story plot has been in the works for a long time now, most noticeably The Darknesses taking over the Tomb of Primeval Kings, I'm going to use a very good imagination to see if I can't bring in the most wild story line that might seem absolutely absurd... but at the same time work within a good amount of reason to make you think, "AHA! So that's what they were planning all this time!" I'm going to delve into history of Tyria and Cantha and find out all I can and create the best story line possible and see what I can come up with that could possibly be somewhat the actual storyline of Nightfall or further chapters. Without further ado...

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The Lost Story of a Great Warrior

The Guild Wars were at an end, and the mighty charr invasion was occuring. Looking at the geography of Ascalon, it's quite clear that during the time of the searing some of the people could have evacuated by boat in the rivers around ascalon heading south over the mountains believing them to be the Shiverpeak mountains and end up coming into the Crystal Desert. Now it's quite clear that when people die they turn into ghosts, and there are quite a few ghosts in the desert and a few in ascalon. I'm not saying that these two are directly related, but when you consider that there is a known portal into the under world in the northern Crystal Desert, it is possible that an Ascalonian might make it this far, even in death. Now, imagine that events might occur during this process and several surviving Elonian Tribes take in a lost Ascalonian orphan child by the name of Gwen back to Elona after her mother may have died and entered through the portal into the Underworld? Coincidence? I think not. Gwen could become a serious new character in the storyline, and the puzzle pieces fit together quite well.

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Abbadon's Mouth, What you forgot about it

Read this article completely, you would be surprised how many times it relates loosely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology

Abaddon has also been considered the Hebrew name for the Greek god Apollyon.

There is an outcast god, and what we know about him is very limited. According to Greek Mythology, which is quite similar to Guild Wars, the gods overthrew the titans and sent them into the underworld to be kept by Hades.

I am working on getting a good theory on it, but there's a lot of information on Abbadon and Greek Mythology and other links. This is my theory so far:

Abbadon was sealed away within the same seal as the titans, but some how when all the blood stones were thrown into the caldera, he was able to harness enough energy to release himself, and ever since he's been trying to regain his energy back. Now if you've seen the concept art of Abbadon, it looks more like a Seer than it does a Mursaat, and since they Mursaat were actually good in some way, then the Seers were bad in some way -- perhaps influenced by Abbadon. Later Abbadon supplied the book of evil that caused Vizier Khilbron to become evil and sink Orr down, and perhaps even became one with him. Notice that he had wings, and as we see now, so does it depict Paragons from Elona, so there's a possible relationship there. Perhaps we find the lost bloodstones, maybe not, but I've got a feeling that this is little more than coincidence, as it all ties in quite nicely.

Also keep in mind the blood stones represent Preservation, Destruction, Aggression and Denial. Perhaps Aggression and Denial will become spirits? Perhaps they're parts of names of current skills that when used together on the key stone does something? Probably not, but I do think it might be a little more than coincidence. I mean why was Destruction a unique looking spirit, Preservation is an Elite, maybe once we play into Nightfall we'll see how the seemingly useless primary profession skills might tie in with warrior skills a little better with Aggression and Denial. Maybe not, pure speculation.

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Tuor Son Of Huor · Sep 26, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

Interesting, but you need to be able to seperate fact from fiction:

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Originally Posted by Kai Nui

Abbadon was sealed away within the same seal as the titans,

Kormir in the WPE and the lore that came with the NF prerelease bonus CD both state that "Abbadon was imprisoned in the Realm of Torment". The RoT [am i first to use this abbreviation??] is actually a SUBREALM of the Underworld ruled by Grenth.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kai Nui

but some how when all the blood stones were thrown into the caldera, he was able to harness enough energy to release himself, and ever since he's been trying to regain his energy back. Now if you've seen the concept art of Abbadon, it looks more like a Seer than it does a Mursaat, and since they Mursaat were actually good in some way, then the Seers were bad in some way -- perhaps influenced by Abbadon. Later Abbadon supplied the book of evil that caused Vizier Khilbron to become evil and sink Orr down, and perhaps even became one with him. Notice that he had wings, and as we see now, so does it depict Paragons from Elona, so there's a possible relationship there. Perhaps we find the lost bloodstones, maybe not, but I've got a feeling that this is little more than coincidence, as it all ties in quite nicely.

This is all conjecture; because the Vizeier read a scroll "long hidden in the catacombs beneath Arah", and was not given a "book" by anyone.

I like what youre trying to do, but make sure your facts are 100% correct if youre going to fill in the blanks to the GW story.

Or you could let Arena Net do it for us

Sol_Vie · Sep 26, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Interesting thought. I love the theory in relation to Gwen. The connection to the old HoH being taken over... very good call. And lastly the comment about the four spirits... very interesting. That'd be so cool if something actually happened along those lines (though I doubt it).

First thing that came to my mind when I read this was maybe the Seer's race is the same as that which was fighting for Abaddon, the result of which caused the Crystal Desert to become what it is. Therefore, the Mursaat were those fighting against them and in even more ways were good. So:

Mursaat protect the world from Abaddon returning.
The Seer (and race) fight for Abaddon's return.

Those two pieces fit nicely together (especially because if that were true, many of the implications would fit the typical RPG you-were-helping-the-bad-guy-all-along theme).

What's bugging me is how does Glint play into all of this?
Does the Fortune Teller have anything to do with... well, anything?

As for purely speculative questions:
Could Orr be at all involved?
Could Saul D'Alessio have any relation?

Grimarren · Oct 18, 2006, 09:33 PM // 21:33

I don't know whether this has been done before, but I put together a side-by-side timeline of the histories of the first two chapters, up to the point where everything starts. There is a 510 year difference between the two calenders used between both continents.

Once I get my hands upon a timeline history for Elona, I'll add it. Then all three can be viewed together.

I know that its not overly exciting, but I thought a few people might find the side-by-side listing of events interesting.

draxynnic · Oct 19, 2006, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Hrrmn. There are some interesting coincidences there... and the question is, how many of them are actually coincidences?

Going back in time:
The Luxons and Kurzicks stopped talking to each other within five years of the start of the Guild Wars - respectively the worst human-against-human conflicts in Cantha and Tyria that we know of.

Shiro's betrayal was twenty-one years after Lord Odran entered the Rifts...

The first Ascended Canthan Emperor comes immediately after the Exodus.

It should be interesting to see how many such coincidences pop up when we see the Nightfall timeline...

Canadian Bacon · Nov 12, 2006, 07:20 AM // 07:20

Here's something I stumbled across one day about 11 months ago. It's something most people never notice.

It's obvious to most people that post-sear Ascalon city is aorund the pre-sear area, but it's not quite the same city. If you've ever wondered where, exactly, post-sear city is located, read on!

Follow these instructions to see the magic:

1) Make a character in pre-sear.

2) Stand in front of Tydus in Ascalon City.

3) Off to your left, there should be a large reservoir of water. Walk over the the edge and take a peek at it. Try to look beneathe the water, and examine the geographical features.

4) If you still don't see it, walk down the staircase leading into the water, and walk around a bit. The different perspective might help you see.

5) If you still can't see it, allow me to explain. Looking under the water at the contours of the land, you can see that it matches the post-sear land perfectly. Furthermore, across the reservoir there is a little bit of land sticking up, and a staircase behind it. That spot=where Tydus sits in post-sear! Off to the right, you can see the post-sear entrance to the arena. The small set of stairs you walk down to get into the water is the portal to the city in post-sear. Once you're in the water, directly to your left is where the henchies chill at, and a little farther is where the Xunlai Agents take up residents in post-sear.

6) Marvel at this discovery and be amazed.

7) Ask yourself this question; Is this a case of plot continuity and attention to detail, or just saving time on making the game by re-using terrain?

-Old 3FL- · Nov 12, 2006, 07:36 AM // 07:36

The post searing Ascalon City is situated in the old riverbed of pre-sear Ascalon City.
And yes outside where the Gargoyles roam is where the old Ascalon City used to be, standing beautiful.
Sardelac is situated where Ashford Abbey was and outside the beautiful village has been destroyed, now the grounds where elementals and Grawls run rampant.

Tide to Go · Nov 25, 2006, 08:59 AM // 08:59

Ok everyone needs to post thing u see NPC's say in town i remind you they say more than one thing so click on the macouple times and write down anything wiered or misunderstood here are acouple of mine.

1.Something moved beneath the sands of the crystal desert. Hungry spirits, seeking flesh. (ok I think this dude is talking about the traped spirits in the falled orr?)

2.The Dynasties still live in my dreams. There is another true-blooded heir.

3.Do not leave us. Palawa Joko will rise again, And we must fight prepare to fight him, forever....... (ut oh)

4.The staff is buried beneath an altar in the poisoned Outcrops. Hurry, there isent much time. (staff? what staff? time? time until what? AHHH)

5.The mists are not as distant as we had been led to balieve.

6.(heres one i really payed attention to more than the others)
I see light far to the north.Do I hear Turai's voice calling me?( WHO!?!?!??!)

7.Farwell, stranger. There is another land I must seek, far from these desolate sands.

well thats all of them i got all that info from one city i think 50 people worldwide have been to.(j/k but there has be very few there)

8.I fear the power rising in the Crystal desert. I feel Palawa Joko's fingers in the sand. Counting the hours we have left on this world. (omg get ready some invaders and ambushes might be coming)

9.A new god is born! A god that will destroy the others and bring about the ned of the world!The cycle negins again!(wow and you know who shes talking about if u r far enough)

(THE REST OF THESE THAT IM ABOUT TO POST GIVE AWAY THE END OF THE STORY>>>PARTS)
10.Poor Kormir.poor sad goddess raised up to the stars, cursed to see only infinite blackness between them...

11.Kormir wispers beneath the world, through the quiet chambers and the dark corridors of reality.Can you hear her?

12.Farewell Kormir.Your rebirth will be the dawn of Elona.

13.all hail Kormir.Goddess of secrets(Ok i got really excited today because I saw her statue in a town That allows you to see it, those only thing I dident like, was the color. They should have carved her out of white marble

)
This is the end of me talking of end of the game information

14.It seems that all that stuff you see glowing green coming frome the walls ya it keeps those mystic rocks things that from into diffrent things running and to get one of the Glowing Shards We could uptain magic never seen.
15.Farwell and cure the Ossa line! May it end with Varesh.Forever! (is that her familys name or something?)

(I found all this from npcs outside, it seems thats where they tell better stuff and im doing to spend most of my time outside looking for them)

15.Listen to the desolation at night, and you hear Palawa Joko, laughing in the wind

16.Deep in the desolations,beyond the Crystal desert...Palawa Joko rises again.

17.Push a man hard enough into death, and he will come out the other side.

18.You cannot kill that which is already dead.....

I will edit this post several times beware!!!

Feme Assassin · Nov 25, 2006, 12:29 PM // 12:29

nice work man someone had to do this i am sure we will find something about gw4 from the spirits

E.V.A · Nov 25, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Tide to Go

6.(heres one i really payed attention to more than the others)
I see light far to the north.Do I hear Turai's voice calling me?( WHO!?!?!??!)

Turai Ossa, a well known Kournan Warmarshal. He defeated Palawa Joko (the undead king) in the Battle of Jahai and led the pilgrimage to Crystal Deserts.

That NPC might be referring to the fact that Crystal Desert is in north from Elona.

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Originally Posted by Tide to Go

13.all hail Kormir.Goddess of secrets(this one got me. all proffesions have gods right? can anyone thing of a new proffesion involving secretes???)

Paragon and/or Dervish? Same way as Fire Elementalists serve Balthazar and Ice Elementalists Grenth...

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Originally Posted by Tide to Go

15.Farwell and cure the Ossa line! May it end with Varesh.Forever! (is that her familys name or something?)

Yes, Varesh Ossa, Kournan Warmarshal...from same family tree as Turai.

Solarii · Nov 25, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by E.V.A

Paragon and/or Dervish? Same way as Fire Elementalists serve Balthazar and Ice Elementalists Grenth...

Aren't the Paragons worshippers of Dwayna or Melandru? And Dervishes followers of Grenth?