Curse

Shikaru · Oct 20, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

The only problem with PvE mesmers and PvE rangers is the fact that a large majority of them suck at what they do. That's not to say that there aren't any good PvE rangers or mesmers out there as I'm sure some of you on the forum are quite skilled with these two classes. For the most part, everytime I party with a Ranger or mesmer the experience has been bad. I get rangers who try to run interrupt using flat bows or mesmers using chaos storm on carvers instead of the casters. I have yet to see an interrupt ranger actually hit interrupt anything useful on a regular basis or see a shatter/interrupt from a mesmer.

Another fact is that most PuGs out there really do suck at playing this game but even the dumbest PuG can nuke given the right spells. As a basic fire nuker you need no field awareness and no timing. (for maximum damage output I guess you would need to cast spells in the right order but we'll ignore that) Basically all a nuker does is sit there and click his spells every few seconds and he'll have accomplished his role in the party. On the other hand a bad PuG playing a mesmer/ranger will hurt your team a lot becuase he's basically a dead weight.

VGJustice · Oct 20, 2005, 05:12 PM // 17:12

I think we've had this argument before. It was stupid then, and it's stupid now.

If a group wants to shun a Ranger or a Mesmer or whatever other class there may be, let them. It's their loss, not mine. I'll find another group and show them how powerful a Ranger actually can be.

Good gawd, I'm a melee Ranger and I can take on Flame Titans! I have no idea why people whine all the time.

ratatass · Oct 20, 2005, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Yes, its a chore in SoF beeing a ranger.

I go Barrage / beastmastery /Healing, buffed Pet and invite.

1. Cynn
2. Mhenlo
3. Lina

Works like a charm. Most green items from that group. Make sure you fire from above or a turn /obstruction if you can so your pet can start running. Also make sure you don't use too long of a range bow after engaging, so Mhenlo and Lina don't forget your pet. Stay in range, but not too close.

Can be tricky, but it is fun.

rowena · Nov 23, 2005, 09:01 AM // 09:01

Nice henchies group. I have a monk and a nuker character, but i don't farm with them in sf, i prefer to go farming with my R/Mo. I just love to play a ranger. I usually use Devona , Mhenlo, Lina, pet. And yes, i like henchies, they follow orders, they don't complain and i don't have to wait hours for a group.

I think they don't steal the drops, like some people use to say, they have just they own drops. I have found very much green sets - all items from Fleshcleaver, Galigord, Thorgall, Grognar, Razorstone, Yakslapper, Rockmolder, Vokur, Morgriff, Villnar, Gargash. And 3 times Dragos Flatbow (not vampiric). And when some ranger wanted to come farm with me, i've always took him (i would take other classes as well, but i know just more rangers thanks UW trapping).

I have done all quests with henchies as a ranger, except the Orozar quests. With Orozar i had luck and have found a very nice group, but i would love to do Orozar more times, because some bosses can be find only in this quest. Preferably as a ranger, but it's hard to find a group for Orozar as a ranger, so i've tried with my monk the Orozar quest (but it's not so enjoyable like with my ranger) and u can be sure, when i make a group as a monk, i don't kick any rangers, mesmers or necros.

Makkert · Nov 23, 2005, 09:32 AM // 09:32

I've done a few farmtrips lately in SF. When I lead the group I always asked for: Casterdisrupter (ranger or memser). And guess what? It was harder to get one then it was to get a monk, war, ele or minionmaster. What is worse, after the long time it took to find a casterdisrupter, 50% of the ones I have had in team weren't exactly great casterdisurpters....That isn't exactly an advertisement for the ranger / mesmer profession.

Juicey Shake · Nov 23, 2005, 10:38 AM // 10:38

guildie farming groups for the win,

guild I'm in does nightly farming trips to SF [oro, FA, normal SF, whatever]

-- 2 monks, one prot, one heal.
-- 1 tank [W/whatever's needed, usually Mo]
--1 minion master nec

and after that it gets tricky, sometimes a mes, or a ranger, or another nec.

whatever we feel like trying out and whatever people feel like playing on, and you'd be suprised at how effective rangers can really be in there

Alex The Fat · Nov 23, 2005, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by knives

Funny how necros aren't wanted in Uw/Fow, but are in Sorrows.
Funny how rangers are wanted in Uw/Fow, but aren't in Sorrows.

Thats what we call equilibrium.

guess you've never seen 2 man uw runs? or all the fissure groups looking for bip necro's? necro's are essential to a good/quick smite run these days and BiP is a nice addition to a party with 3 elementalists and 2 monks but tahts just my 2 cents --- necro power! but i myself play a blood necro and see the difficulty of getting a group, same goes for my mesmer, and my ranger so i just hop on my monk and go with it

Elena · Nov 23, 2005, 12:59 PM // 12:59

people seriously need to look at us arrows slinging nature loving hippy's :P

i mean i can do bout 40-50 damage with barrage + conjure to casters without em running away meaning the warrior can pack em all nicely together and take the damage without em running off screaming aoe oh noes! and let me spam barrage like there's no tommorow wee

Old Dood · Nov 23, 2005, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Our Guild uses Rangers. They are great for interupts! This helps the Necro MM get his minions built up. I rarely have to heal our Rangers either. I save my Heals/Buffs for our World's Greatest Tank!

XvArchonvX · Nov 23, 2005, 02:25 PM // 14:25

I have to admit of being guilty of aiming to form groups with the typical MM, rank, nuker, heal and prot monk build. My reasoning is that when you have a small group, you need to cover two bases really well. You have to cause a lot of damage quickly and you have to stay alive to deal it.

Don't get me wrong though, I do think that 5-man SF runs are possible with mes and rangers. The reason I don't usually choose these types in PUG is because there are a LOT of people who have rangers and mes, but simply don't know how to really use them to get the best out of their potential. Admittedly, I believe that mesmers and rangers are some of the hardest builds to be successful with aside from an ele using anything but fire.

If there were players I knew, and knew the build of well, I would incorporate more variety into the SF fa farming groups I form, but I really don't trust most players in PUGs. Too many times to I find someone who is like a monk I had in the group the other day who claimed to be healing and prot, then ran to the front, tried to tank and died...over...and over...

Because of this I think I'm going to start a thread for people to describe their build to join up for SF farming...

Damon Windwalker · Nov 23, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeuseden

damn it... now with all these 5 man builds...

nobody fc*king wants a ranger... they want minion masters tanks
monks and nukers but not rangers.....

if theres any guild wars dev. reading this... pls make us abit more powerful.
i feel so third world. damn it

I've run with rangers...I've run with mesmers...

A good player playing either one is always welcome in my party!

kitten · Nov 23, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by knives

Funny how necros aren't wanted in Uw/Fow, but are in Sorrows.
Funny how rangers are wanted in Uw/Fow, but aren't in Sorrows.

Thats what we call equilibrium.

my 'main' character is a Me/N.

For Fissure I'm usually a shutdown/interupter and have a little trouble getting in to a group. (I take Blood Ritual if there isn't a Battery Necro). I find that Necros are usually wanted for battery purposes.

For UW, I haven't made many runs there, but pre AoE nerf - as a dom mesmer I did great with Echo>Chaos Storm. It took longer to get a group though. However, I'm having a blast with 2 and 3 man Smite runs (with an invinci monk and/or a healer monk) by using almost all Necro skills Echo>Spiteful with Blood Ritual and Blood is the Master (too boost my curses since I'm Necro secondary).

SO - I think Necros are wanted in that area, from what I've seen.

As for SF - My mesmer can't get into a group for ANY reason, minions or not. I only go with my guild, who like the minions and interrupts.

leeky baby · Nov 23, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25

If ur moaning about being a ranger then go and 3 man farm the UW,thats what i do then monk,warrior SF

Kai Nui · Nov 24, 2005, 07:03 AM // 07:03

agreed. I'm a mesmer, power us up too. It's like those W/R that can get money by running people from Beacons to Droknors type deal. It's like racist or something lol...

Sereng Amaranth · Nov 24, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

I have no problem doing a 4 man team for SF. Me, Sticky Icky my spider, Devona, Mhenlo and Lina. :P

Maxiemonster · Nov 24, 2005, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Hmm, Rangers do suck in SF, just invited one, but he didn't deal much dmg

Meroim · Nov 24, 2005, 06:02 PM // 18:02

I cleared most of SF with a Curse necro, a pet/smite ranger and Lina+Mhenlo, nothing more. It worked very well.

2_fingers · Nov 26, 2005, 02:35 PM // 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

Hmm, Rangers do suck in SF, just invited one, but he didn't deal much dmg

Which is why if you are the leader, you got to know what skills your guys are bringing. If its a barrage ranger, what enchants. If its a trapper, ask if Oathshot or spike trap is his elite. If you invited him and u didnt ask, then its ur fault actually.