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capitalist · Jul 26, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Yeah the -75 health is important with Prot Bond, since it reduces 5%. You want to have 105 Health minimum for this build.

I think the ideal build would use the Lions Arch tatoos, they are cheap and give the same amount of energy as the more expensive tats. I also use the collector smiting staff(outside Elonas) with a +17% enchant wrapping and whatever insightful head you can find. With that setup I currently have 49 energy, which is more than enough.

BHerf · Jul 26, 2005, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by capitalist

Yeah the -75 health is important with Prot Bond, since it reduces 5%. You want to have 105 Health minimum for this build.

I think the ideal build would use the Lions Arch tatoos, they are cheap and give the same amount of energy as the more expensive tats. I also use the collector smiting staff(outside Elonas) with a +17% enchant wrapping and whatever insightful head you can find. With that setup I currently have 49 energy, which is more than enough.

But by this logic, if you had 208 HP, the 5% would still amount to the same amount of damage you would take if you were taking 5% of 108 HP..

I.E. You have all of the prot bonds on, etc. Axtes are hitting you for -10 with your HP at 208..If you had 108 HP they would hit you for -5..whats the difference other than the cost of that extra rune(and the armor to wear it on)

I have done this with 208 HP and the Axtes hit me for -10..From the vids I have seen of this build with health at 108/105, they hit for -5..

Am I still missing something here?

I picked up that staff outside elona..I just need the insightful head and wrapping of enchantment..

teny10 · Jul 26, 2005, 04:08 PM // 16:08

I'm just wonderin, can you still get 17 on protection prayers? I've tried many times and not successful.

BHerf · Jul 26, 2005, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by teny10

I'm just wonderin, can you still get 17 on protection prayers? I've tried many times and not successful.

Read the original post by Jelly..You have to have your prot attrib at 16(with runes on armor)..and have the holy rod with +1 prot(get from collector - see Jellys original post for location)..You will have to cast the prot bond spell more than 1 time to get the 1 energy to show up(this will show as 1 when you mouse over the prot bond enchantment you cast on yourself...It will show as 2 or 1 depending on whether or not the spell got cast with 17 prot...Sometimes it takes 4-5 times but it does work..Then I usually switch over the staff to a smiter with better energy and better enchants and go to work..You can also re-arrange your attributes after the prot bond spell gets successfully cast with the 1 energy to get a better smite attrib as someone here posted before..

hope this helps chief,

teny10 · Jul 26, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

I tried that, both w/ my ele trying to get to 13 and monk trying to get to 17. I casted protective bond 10+ times for both chars and never got to the lvl I wanted. I'm just wonderin if Anet nerfed this or not. Anyone can confirm they still can get to 17?

capitalist · Jul 26, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by BHerf

But by this logic, if you had 208 HP, the 5% would still amount to the same amount of damage you would take if you were taking 5% of 108 HP..

I.E. You have all of the prot bonds on, etc. Axtes are hitting you for -10 with your HP at 208..If you had 108 HP they would hit you for -5..whats the difference other than the cost of that extra rune(and the armor to wear it on)

I have done this with 208 HP and the Axtes hit me for -10..From the vids I have seen of this build with health at 108/105, they hit for -5..

Am I still missing something here?

I picked up that staff outside elona..I just need the insightful head and wrapping of enchantment..

What you are missing is that it is easier to heal 5 points rather than 10.

capitalist · Jul 26, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by teny10

I tried that, both w/ my ele trying to get to 13 and monk trying to get to 17. I casted protective bond 10+ times for both chars and never got to the lvl I wanted. I'm just wonderin if Anet nerfed this or not. Anyone can confirm they still can get to 17?

Imagine that everytime you try to cast you have a 20% chance of getting the +1. Now consider that each cast is independent of the previous cast, thus you only have a 20% chance of +1 the second time, and so forth. This means that theoretically you might never get the +1, but keep trying, my record is 15 tries.

BHerf · Jul 26, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by capitalist

What you are missing is that it is easier to heal 5 points rather than 10.

Will try it..

Eadwyn Mirwen · Jul 26, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

Not a bad idea to buy cheap tatoos from LA, capitalist. I avoided new tatoos (from Droknars Forge) because I didnt want to pay all that money for pergaments and crafting. Surely, 49 energy are better than 41 but it works also with 41 (as you already said: energy is rarely a problem).

Ka RaTae · Jul 26, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Racthoh,

Please do send me that link...I'd like to see it.

capitalist · Jul 26, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Eadwyn Mirwen

Not a bad idea to buy cheap tatoos from LA, capitalist. I avoided new tatoos (from Droknars Forge) because I didnt want to pay all that money for pergaments and crafting. Surely, 49 energy are better than 41 but it works also with 41 (as you already said: energy is rarely a problem).

I have my cheap tat set with all the superiors on it and then my Droknars set that I use when I play a real monk.

Zackile Greenbirth · Jul 26, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Capitalist THANK YOU for that map....it's much help

Shayul · Jul 27, 2005, 02:30 AM // 02:30

So it should be fine to use the Lion's Arch Tats? (I really don't want to spend so much on the Drok's...>_>)

BHerf · Jul 27, 2005, 06:18 AM // 06:18

Geez manetti!! Sup Monk Healing Runes are selling for 15k now! LOL! Cloth is up, Wrapping of Enchantings are up..This thread has affected the monk economy in the game! LOL! I also saw a guy selling a +5 EP insightful staff head for 95K!

Bad thing is, I really do not think this is worth the effort. I have done it, and it takes a while when solo'ing and you really can get more primo drops in the FoW with a good group..
Oh well..Those wrappings are selling for 40k! LOL!

Borealis · Jul 27, 2005, 08:39 AM // 08:39

I've gotta give some serious props on this build, I actually had fun tonight playing for the first time in weeks. I spent three hours alone in the UW tonight with a variation of this build and I loved every minute of it, in a way it was very.....relaxing.

Was one hell of a hit in my pocketbook though, cost me over 80k to get everything set up perfectly. I cleared the chamber, smites and all the coldfires in the forgotten vale. Pretty good I'd say for my first night doing it. I also got a gold max dmg storm bow out of it.

Thanks for sharing this build. Was a very entertaining night.

capitalist · Jul 27, 2005, 02:01 PM // 14:01

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Originally Posted by Shayul

So it should be fine to use the Lion's Arch Tats? (I really don't want to spend so much on the Drok's...>_>)

Your armor level doesn't matter with Protective Bond.

A 16-17% Enchant Staff Wrapping is all that is needed.

A +5 Staff head isn't going to make any difference vs a +2 staff head ora staff that just has +10 energy. Energy is not a problem with this build, except after killing the Darkness (if you don't pay attention with bonetti's you may have to remove some enchantments) Don't pay more than 20K for a +5 if you really need it. That is market value (+/-5K).

BHerf · Jul 27, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Borealis

I've gotta give some serious props on this build, I actually had fun tonight playing for the first time in weeks. I spent three hours alone in the UW tonight with a variation of this build and I loved every minute of it, in a way it was very.....relaxing.

Was one hell of a hit in my pocketbook though, cost me over 80k to get everything set up perfectly. I cleared the chamber, smites and all the coldfires in the forgotten vale. Pretty good I'd say for my first night doing it. I also got a gold max dmg storm bow out of it.

Thanks for sharing this build. Was a very entertaining night.

It is relaxing to not have to worry about anyone Leeroy'in(Aggro) and lose your 1k within the first 2 minutes in UW..Bad thing is, unless you are getting ectos or gold items, its still not worth it. Fun to play, but not very profitable unless the drops fall. Fun factor is stellar(what the game is really about anyhow). It does cost about 80-90k to get this setup even with the LA armor with the runes and wrappings selling for what they are now. Maybe they will come down, then again it might get nerfed and all prices will come back to pre-solo posting. The only way they could nerf this is to have something detect you being alone in the UW..Cause the game to have fewer and crappier drops..Its seems that is the case now with the axtes and darknesses anyhow. I have a hard time getting good drops even with a group in the UW..The ecto is not falling as frequently it seems.

Was in FoW last night with a really good group and had my way paid(it helps being a monk!) and made 25-30k total off of 1 purple shadow bow, dark remains, misc items, and 3 shards...
About 2 hours worth of work and it was more fun than solo'ing UW IMHO. Just gotta get the right group.

GSUS · Jul 27, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52

i just want to say for the people that come on the forums and talk about there builds and tell others how to farm are the ones that are ruining the game for the rest of us if u have a good build and farm with it or whatever keep it to urself for god sake cause when everyone here starts soloing UW wtf will be the point?

if u dis agree with me thats fine but i am just really ticted off about this thread and u wonder why gw economy is all screwed up... cause everyone can farm solo now lmao
oh and if ur wondering i dont bother farming uw its a waste of time i totally agree with the post above^^ but still its supposed to be the hardest place in the game but now everyone can do it by themsleves i just think thats just stupid if u can figure out how to do it on ur own great but dont come on public forums and tell the whole world how to do it.

BHerf · Jul 27, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by GSUS

i just want to say for the people that come on the forums and talk about there builds and tell others how to farm are the ones that are ruining the game for the rest of us if u have a good build and farm with it or whatever keep it to urself for god sake cause when everyone here starts soloing UW wtf will be the point?

if u dis agree with me thats fine but i am just really ticted off about this thread and u wonder why gw economy is all screwed up... cause everyone can farm solo now lmao

I do not think this thread is a bad thing..It just goes to show you how many people will pay ungodly amount of plat to get this build for a small return on investment with the drops falling the way they are in UW..If you are doing it for fun(which again, is what the game is for) then go for it..They will probably NOT nerf this as it is still hard to get more than 1 good drop on a solo run. I get more $$$ out of FoW runs with a good group..I do the solo for fun - not $$$. However, I had all of the equipment minus the staff wrapping prior to this post showing up so I have more like 20k invested in the setup. If you are wanting to get this build now, then its gonna break ya if you aint got the loot to cover it. If they nerf this however, all these folks are gonna be hosed unless they go to farming other areas with this build they paid 80-90k for..I can farm with a much different(and less expensive) build than this one.

Example - You pay 80-90k for armor, runes and misc items to startup - You have to pay 1k to get in solo. If you got 1 ecto or a gold bow within 3 tries, and sell it for 10k, then you have only recouped 7k of your investment. Which means you gotta do this alot of times to break even. This also a time consuming process when solo'ing. It gets boring after about 7 or 8 times..You are lucky if an ecto fall in 3 tries from my experience..Gold max dmg bows are the same way..

Bottom line, this thread is not ruining the game for those who are playing for fun(and have the $$$ to get the startup armor/staff)..It IS however ruining it for those who are trying to get this build for a bargain and go on a drop for $$$ run cause it ain't gonna happen now until this dies down or gets nerfed and the prices some back into line due to folks dumping the runes and items(and then some of us will use a different build to continue to solo! LOL)

I say chill out, find other places to farm for good drops to sell for $$$(there are MANY of them still out there if you know where to look) if you do not have the $$$ to start doing this and HAVE FUN most of all. I mean does having a boatload of platinum really make that big of a deal if you are not having fun?

BHerf · Jul 27, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12

I also think its hilarious to see folks paying these prices to solo UW!

I say let 'em..