Curse

frickaline · May 13, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Has anyone else noticed a drop in henchie competence or is it just me? It seems to me, particularly with the Interrupt henchie, that they just aren't as effective as they we're a few weeks ago. I remember that int henchie nailing interrupts like crazy across the entire enemy party, as though tabbing through them constantly. Now he will sometimes miss interrupts when there is only 1 target on the screen. o.O

Teet · May 13, 2006, 06:36 PM // 18:36

I can say that the healer henchmen are complete idiots now, compared to how they were in Prophecies. It's definitely noticeable.

Rock Me Amadeus · May 13, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Last night while doing the Masters of Corruption quest, a tank teammate and Jaimei were the only two left alive fighting the last remaining afflicted in a group. Jaimei chose to charge in and attack rather than heal the tank. She also let me die of the plague several times while we weren't being attacked.

Another time, Panaku charged right past the target I had called and attacked a boss in another group. Teleported and disoriented himself, maybe?

Yamin · May 13, 2006, 07:49 PM // 19:49

I really want to play the game on the Luxon side but i can't... the reason?

Sister Tai. That thing will not heal me. That thing will not res me. That thing will not do anything except stand 2ft away from the battle. I have actually had a little more success on the Luxon quests when i don't take Sister Tai.

The rest of the hench are ok in my opinion, they have their downsides but for the most part are quite reliable.

frickaline · May 14, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

The thing is, I can remember back in the beta, and soon after the factions release, Daemon (the interrupt henchie) was SO GOOD! I swore up and down he was better than 90% of the people I have seen. But lately, I've watched, and he seems to have lost his abilities.

So, I'm not even referring to the hench in factions versus prophecies but rather the hench in the original factions and the factions henchies nowadays ...

Wolydarg · May 14, 2006, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Definitely Daemon was godly in FPE. He was able to shut down a boon monk with ranger interrupts, freakin awesome. And the CoF from the Kurzick side was able to catch those tricky .25sec Rof's, but now all I see to see cof'd are troll unguents or healing sigs...

Guess inputting those phantom reflexes made the henchies too powerful =\

Wacky · May 14, 2006, 03:22 AM // 03:22

I wonder if the henchmen bring res anymore. Back in the FPE people complained about henchmen resing mid battle, so it seems like now, henchmen only res after everything is dead and they've had their break.

This is a bit of a problem because sometimes *you* need to be resed in the middle of battle, and henchmen don't seem to respond to "I'm dead!" any more.

jackie · May 14, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

Sometimes when for example I'm dead and all others in group are henchies & alive, it takes 5min before they start ressing me. They just stand there photoshooting. >_>

Mavrik · May 14, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

yeah... nothing like a seven hench stand around while I'm madly spamming "I'm DEAD!" for 5 mins before something happens. Yes the hench are certainly dumber in Factions then they were in prophecies. I was so happy to see my sweet healer hench when I got off the boat in LA. Why I even rushed over and gave that stupid ele hench a hug and took him along to cast firestorm on the dead... ah... happy times.

wingfairon · May 14, 2006, 07:38 AM // 07:38

Absolutely agree with it. Henchies now are really retards, especially those called "Healer Henchman". They don't heal much and they don't frigging rez, even a Spirit Henchman rez better than they do. I have died hundred times because they were standing at the back doing nothing and watch how I die. Why don't Anet just cut the crap of talking henchies and make them a better healer instead!?!? I'm sure everyone will definitely more appreciate a better healer henchman than a talking retard.

Racthoh · May 14, 2006, 07:59 AM // 07:59

The only problem I have is the ressing, because of the spells they use. I suspect it's because the amount of health/energy they res you back with is based on their amount so they wait until they're completely full before doing anything.

Which is really dumb, because the protector henchmen not only does this but will stand on your body and use Rebirth.

Other than that, no problems.

nirhan shadowmauler · May 14, 2006, 08:02 AM // 08:02

i love how the healer hench is the last one alive and then runs away randomly and gets stuck somewhere. or just runs back and forth between me and the spirit hench for 5 minutes before rezzing someone. yea the hench suck self heals and 3 stances FTW. until i get killed by the 3 jade brotherhood mage groups. :/

Cybergasm · May 14, 2006, 08:16 AM // 08:16

... I've been finding them better :-/ I have done the following with hench;
-1st two missions
-Both 15 atr. quests
-and unvailed 20% of the map (still on first island)

All of this with only four of them; the fifth being some guy who was paying me.

Silvergun Superman · May 14, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

I have one advice. Do not take melee henchies when there's a group of 8. Especially Emi and Pikachu; the assassin henchies. They will aggro everything in range. Just take casters and a ranger. In my opinion, the healers are okay. They seem to be better than the rest. At times they seem to be smart and brain dead at other occasions. This is my usual henchies setup:

2 healers
2 eles
1 ritualist
1 necro
1 ranger

Retz · May 14, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09

The healer henchies, in my experience, only find ressing useful if a corpse is surrounded by 5 or more enemies in which to aggro and suicide.

Otherwise, if there are no enemies left but there are dead allies, standing around doing nothing is the best thing to do.

Gg henchies, gg.

Ventius Hozza · May 14, 2006, 12:37 PM // 12:37

All of the problems above, yes ive had and they annoy the living daylights out of me. However what really aggrivates me is when the henches only use their sigs once they are the last ones alive. What kind of good is that? They often end up getting owned themselves or just adding 15% more dp on a healer hench. gg

Da Cebuano · May 14, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

The canthan Ranger Hench is actually very very good IMHO, its like a human player playing a survivor(avoiding deaths), as she will actually run away from attacks and lead them to tanks and res in battle when needed or res someone who should be ressed. Its those damn healer henchies that are very frustrating. I was trying to kill Wing and his jade lackeys and they were spamming triple chop and cyclone on me(warrior). Not only did Tai(think thats the one, in brown canthan cloths) no heal very well, but she actually decided to stand next to me(where she is at range for those oh so hurtful triple chops and cyclones) and just stood there, she ended up spamming heals on herself cause she kept getting AoE'd. I never understood why henchies think all heal spells are touch range

The protector henchman is even worse, atlest in kurzick missions. The domination henchie.. I have no idea what Anet was thinking when they made him, does he even actually have a working build on him? I was thinking domination hench would have something like Backfire, CoF, powerblock, diversion, shatter enchant, res sig, empathy, etherfeast. I mean he only really spams 1 skill, CoF and he doesn't use it very effectively, his other skill >_< I wear he put like a anti caster spell on warrior.

Textural · May 14, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retz

The healer henchies, in my experience, only find ressing useful if a corpse is surrounded by 5 or more enemies in which to aggro and suicide.

Otherwise, if there are no enemies left but there are dead allies, standing around doing nothing is the best thing to do.

Gg henchies, gg.

Hahaa, so true.
The henchman I love is Talon, and the one I hate the most is actually Devona.

This is probably another knack to encourage players to team with real people to party. If not, it's working pretty well...

frickaline · May 14, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolydarg

Definitely Daemon was godly in FPE. He was able to shut down a boon monk with ranger interrupts, freakin awesome. And the CoF from the Kurzick side was able to catch those tricky .25sec Rof's, but now all I see to see cof'd are troll unguents or healing sigs...

Guess inputting those phantom reflexes made the henchies too powerful =\

yeah, heh, I guess it kind of was over-powered, but man, he misses Troll sometimes now, wth?!?!

But this was exactly my experience, also.

Sol_Vie · May 14, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

I honestly don't think the healers are all that bad. When you're in the city I'd say they do a pretty good job considering. I mean, if you're an assn it is your job to take as little damage as possible. You do not have the armor of a war and therefore should hop in and out of battle. In the city you only get one monk char. When I'm running around with my assn she does a good enough job when I'm careful. If I'm going to act dumb and aggro two or three groups then yeah, we're going to get Dragon Stomped to death. I've noticed when I'm on my monk in the city and I bring the other monk too, things go well. I can pretty much aggro as much as I want and she and I do just fine.

I just beat the mission where you first encounter Shiro and his constructs last night. It was the first mission that I'd used a PUG for. (The PUG was amazing by the way- 2 assns, 1 war, 2 eles, 1 rit, 2 monks. The rit and I are in a guild and the two monks were in another guild.) My rit friend and I got pretty far using only henchies.

Although I will entirely agree with Racthoh. The way they res people is just annoying. Totally defeats the purpose of Rebirth and any res spell that can be activated from a distance.

It's as it always has been. Henchies aren't great, that's why they're (sometimes) a second choice. However, they can be quite useful- it all depends on the human players ability to control them and gauge what they are going to do and what they are capable of. Even then there are some surprises but well, if there were no surprises that'd be no fun.