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meat shield · May 31, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

[QUOTE=Samueldg]

Ive now began seeing "LFP 4 mission rank 3+ required"

never saw that be4

first. your ability to fight in HOH against or while using FOTM builds is no indication that you have any clue about what works in PVE.. a great example would be hammer wars.. while highly effective in pvp, using frenzy in pve generally means you die fast and nasty...

Second. there are a VAST majority of players who DO gvg and NOT do heros ascent.. there is no individual ranking for gvg...

agreed

( dead serious.. saw "forming team rank 3+ for mission" the mission was tahnnaki temple.. they returned FOUR times ....)

rofl

Fourth... there are a plethora of Deaf (read HEARING IMPAIRED) players who are rather good in pvp but refuse to deal with heros ascent/ HOH due to the reliance on ts/vent programs which are outside of our ability to use..

you must mean me...(cant hear shit whit headphone)

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hasse · May 31, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Isnt "Protector of Tyria" / "protector of Cantha" a form of a rank for PvE players?

I aggree that Party LF R3+ players Emote at Storage, groups basicly are just lazy. Shure R3+ players posess quiet an amount of experience that can come in handy but without a proper teamsetup and tactics simply wouldnt matter.

Talking of own experience, the teamleader should have a build in mind, announce what he is looking for and wait for responces. He should interwiev the persons that join the team and set up their build to fit the purpouse of the team and by this determine if the player is experienced or not. This is ofcourse appropriate for "hard missions" or high end areas cause its simply to time consuming for the average mission. By doing so you will set up an experienced team nomatter of rank cause many people simply dont care for rank or titles what so ever but still knows what they are doing

Kern Wolf · May 31, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

You make a fair point, and I'll concede that it has its uses... just tired of seeing people use it, then run in to a fight, taking a 200 hit midbattle, and calling the monks nub when their health drops sharply. x.x;

I think that might be because a lot of people don't use it properly; it's a regular skill in my builds, and I don't have to have the monks constantly heal me. Then again, I don't have the urge to aggro every monster under the sun to me either (lol)....

frickaline · May 31, 2006, 12:13 PM // 12:13

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Originally Posted by Kern Wolf

Then again, I don't have the urge to aggro every monster under the sun to me either (lol)....

dont lie to me, we all have our inner leeroy.

Kern Wolf · May 31, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by frickaline

dont lie to me, we all have our inner leeroy.

(lol)...yes, but we try to keep it under control.
Oh, the strain...the strain...let me just get ahead just a little bit...

NinjaKai · May 31, 2006, 12:42 PM // 12:42

Who the hell is Leeroy?

*Pulls out anti-noob missle launcher* Flame me for not knowing a small thing like this means and i'll be serving you up with a side of Charr steak.

Retribution X · May 31, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by NinjaKai

Who the hell is Leeroy?

Leeroy Jenkins. Famous for aggroing everything on the map. Makes hilarious movies of it.

PvP skill isn't the same as PvE skill. PvP is either 4vs4, 8vs8, or, 12vs12, Never 8vs1397.

Cymmina · May 31, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Anytime I see a pve player mindlessly accuse a pvp player of IWAYing his rank, I want to accuse him of ebaying his 15k/fow armor. It might be true, but you just don't know. So...don't. ;p

And some people actually deserve the accusation. Rank 8 warrior at Boreas Seabead ignored the leader's recommendation to wait for the enemies to come to them (so terrain wouldn't be in the way). Instead, he rushed in alone and didn't carry a self heal, screaming "heal me!". It's an easy enough mission, but multiple people died because of Mr. Rank 8's stupidity.

I can't imagine anyone who got their rank through anything other than IWAY being this bad. He had 15k armor, too. So does that make him an IWAYing Ebayer?

B Ephekt · May 31, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by true glory

Pfft, give me a break xD just cause you give someone a build doesn't mean they're going to know how to use it

A GOOD player WILL know how to use the build, or at least be able to look over it for a few minutes and figure it out. Assuming the build being supplied is well thought out, it's use should be apparent to any good player who understands the skills.

What I would be worried about is the guy offering the build being an ass and trying to force others into to playing builds they don't want to.

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Originally Posted by Cymmina

And some people actually deserve the accusation.

The thing is, half the people who say "nice iway bambi" have never even played in HA, and are basing their "IWAY = you suck" mentality solely on the opinions of others. Personally, I think that's a lot worse than someone IWAYing their want to a high rank and never gaining any real pvp experience.

lord of shadow · May 31, 2006, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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I don't bother to invite anyone that displays their Hero title in PvE.

If they're Rank elitists, then why even bother partying with them? We all know Rank means nothing in PvE, they might be worse than new players

although i agree with 90% of the people here that say that rank is no indication of pve skill, i want to make a couple of things clear.

i'm rank 5, this does not make me a good player- pve or pvp, it merely shows my experience in HA. It definitely does not make me a bad player, i am capable of playing any necro monk ranger or warrior (and others in pvp but i dont have lvl 20 accounts) i know how to aggro control in pve, i know how to pvp. just because i pvp does not instantly make me a bad pve'er

i display my title all the time, i'm working on canthan exploration but other than that i have no titles. whats wrong with being proud of what i have achieved?

i never ask for rank when making pve groups (hell most of the time i dont ask for other players at all, hech ftw!) and i have never joined a ranked group.

so what's wrong with having a title?

Rob Van Der Sloot · May 31, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00

Something simular I saw at The Deep. People requesting players with TS only. No n00bs! I explained this person that you don't need TS for The Deep at all. It's teamwork, that's all, but apart from that you can communicate just fine using the hud and teamchat. Got a lot of laughs from many people in the district who agreed.

I also saw people showing off their rank emotes in The Deep. Even more silly. The person in question flashing his rank emote defended this by claiming that his rank emote was proof of his skill. But I told him that it was either proof of pvp-experience only, of proof of massive iway-farming. Something that requires little to no skill at all.

Personally if someone has the title "Defender of Tyria" then I am much more convinced of that person's pve skill.

BTW - I'm aware of the fact that for the last boss of The Deep it does come in handy of TS, but I don't find it a requirement for a well coordinated team.

Chicken Ftw · May 31, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by Cymmina

And some people actually deserve the accusation. Rank 8 warrior at Boreas Seabead ignored the leader's recommendation to wait for the enemies to come to them (so terrain wouldn't be in the way). Instead, he rushed in alone and didn't carry a self heal, screaming "heal me!". It's an easy enough mission, but multiple people died because of Mr. Rank 8's stupidity.

I can't imagine anyone who got their rank through anything other than IWAY being this bad. He had 15k armor, too. So does that make him an IWAYing Ebayer?

Can you not read? I clearly stated it might be true, but you just don't know... So yeah. Unless you have proof, don't accuse people. The fact that he sucks at the game doesn't mean he IWAYed either. Could've been carried to his rank by his guild, while running balanced. Maybe he got it a long time ago, and hasn't played GW in a while, explaining why he's rusty/sucks. I don't know, and neither do you.

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Originally Posted by Samueldg

saw "forming team rank 3+ for mission" the mission was tahnnaki temple.. they returned FOUR times ...

Just makes me curious... what were you doing watching them in Temple? Did you fail multiple times yourself, or could you not find a group?

lennymon · May 31, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Rob Van Der Sloot

Something simular I saw at The Deep. People requesting players with TS only. No n00bs! I explained this person that you don't need TS for The Deep at all. It's teamwork, that's all, but apart from that you can communicate just fine using the hud and teamchat. Got a lot of laughs from many people in the district who agreed.

I also saw people showing off their rank emotes in The Deep. Even more silly. The person in question flashing his rank emote defended this by claiming that his rank emote was proof of his skill. But I told him that it was either proof of pvp-experience only, of proof of massive iway-farming. Something that requires little to no skill at all.

Personally if someone has the title "Defender of Tyria" then I am much more convinced of that person's pve skill.

BTW - I'm aware of the fact that for the last boss of The Deep it does come in handy of TS, but I don't find it a requirement for a well coordinated team.

The deep requires communication and teamwork, ts/vent makes that easier but they are still just tools, like a pvp build - when used correctly by good players its very effective. Ebay sells rank, put a stop to that and perhaps the rank will have more meaning. Flashing rank in the deep is not helping anyone find a *good* group as far as I can see, perhaps for chest runs...I dunno. Just the same TS is just another indicator, if you are unwilling to take the 5 minutes to download and install it, is it worth the gamble bringing you along on a 2-3 hour trip? A good group will usually also be open to taking first timers, everyone has to learn once... My first time in the deep was with a very good group I got a few minutes of coaching during party formation (over TS), we finished without a problem, nuff said. While its true that many of you fought long and hard for your emotes and deserve respect for that, its also true that just as there is a big difference from gvg to hoh so is there a difference from either of those to pve. Every mission and quest within pve is different as well. Every arena has its nuances, being aware of these nuances, knowing what to expect and how to respond are all thats necessary. What makes a team can't be gotten with any title, its communication and looking out for each other, being willing to sacrifice for the team (not o noes, the entire party is dead except for me and the monk, I better run right at him and bring the aggro over there so he can heal me) and I'm sure a few other sbtle nuances.
In conclusion rhip in tombs or whatever you wanna call it these days, but in pve it _proves_ (i did not say it means nothing) absolutely nothing. It doesnt prove you are a good healer, you may have been a resolve trapper for getting rank who knows? It doesn't prove adaptability. It has never proved an indicator of good teamwork - a pug is STILL a pug no matter how many R3+ are in it. Conversely rank has been on average a slightly better surface indicator, but theres been some spectacularly bad team players anyways. If you want to succeed in either pve OR pvp, make a guild/friends group, work together and become a team.

B Ephekt · May 31, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

TS/Vent in the elite missions is certainly not needed, but it does help. It's a lot easier to just say "8 needs a br" or "remove x condition/hex from 4 please" than pinging out the information and hoping someone is paying attention.

dbgtboy · May 31, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Cymmina

And some people actually deserve the accusation. Rank 8 warrior at Boreas Seabead ignored the leader's recommendation to wait for the enemies to come to them (so terrain wouldn't be in the way). Instead, he rushed in alone and didn't carry a self heal, screaming "heal me!". It's an easy enough mission, but multiple people died because of Mr. Rank 8's stupidity.

I can't imagine anyone who got their rank through anything other than IWAY being this bad. He had 15k armor, too. So does that make him an IWAYing Ebayer?

Well, usually a ranked person expects the monks to take energy management so they can get through the mission fast, but most pve monks have NO energy management at all and are drained of all energy and need to take a break after every mob. When i play pve i usually rush everything expecting the monk to heal, dont tell me they cant keep up with healing because that is pure bs, i finished pve with my monk and never ever had to wait to regen all my energy back after a mob (hell, i would aggro mobs myself when my team had to regen), and finished every mission on my first try.

deadmonkey4u · May 31, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

The point is that Ts/Vent is damn helpful. In my experience in the deep, a solid lead warrior that pulls and lets the team know what to do on ts/vent is extremely valuable. I don't think iv yet had a team where all 12 players knew what was going on and worked together well as a team. Ts/Vent helps that as well as in letting other people know if they need a br, condition removal, etc..

Kern Wolf · May 31, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by lennymon

The deep requires communication and teamwork, ts/vent makes that easier but they are still just tools, like a pvp build - when used correctly by good players its very effective. Ebay sells rank, put a stop to that and perhaps the rank will have more meaning. Flashing rank in the deep is not helping anyone find a *good* group as far as I can see, perhaps for chest runs...I dunno. Just the same TS is just another indicator, if you are unwilling to take the 5 minutes to download and install it, is it worth the gamble bringing you along on a 2-3 hour trip? A good group will usually also be open to taking first timers, everyone has to learn once... My first time in the deep was with a very good group I got a few minutes of coaching during party formation (over TS), we finished without a problem, nuff said. While its true that many of you fought long and hard for your emotes and deserve respect for that, its also true that just as there is a big difference from gvg to hoh so is there a difference from either of those to pve. Every mission and quest within pve is different as well. Every arena has its nuances, being aware of these nuances, knowing what to expect and how to respond are all thats necessary. What makes a team can't be gotten with any title, its communication and looking out for each other, being willing to sacrifice for the team (not o noes, the entire party is dead except for me and the monk, I better run right at him and bring the aggro over there so he can heal me) and I'm sure a few other sbtle nuances.
In conclusion rhip in tombs or whatever you wanna call it these days, but in pve it _proves_ (i did not say it means nothing) absolutely nothing. It doesnt prove you are a good healer, you may have been a resolve trapper for getting rank who knows? It doesn't prove adaptability. It has never proved an indicator of good teamwork - a pug is STILL a pug no matter how many R3+ are in it. Conversely rank has been on average a slightly better surface indicator, but theres been some spectacularly bad team players anyways. If you want to succeed in either pve OR pvp, make a guild/friends group, work together and become a team.

I remember people used to say the same thing about FOW: "you need TS, or Ventro, in order to beat it". That lasted for---what---a week? I never had to go there with a PUG that needed it, and we used to clear out FOW regularly...

It's a helpful tool, but that's all it is..a tool. In about 2-3 months, you'll hear, "Man, you dont need TS for the Deep..what are you, a noob?"...

mrmojo · May 31, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

If people got rank for GvG it would be much better. I GvG a lot but I don't like to play HoH too much because of all the gimmick builds (and my guild would rather gvg)

lishi · Jun 01, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Kern Wolf

I remember people used to say the same thing about FOW: "you need TS, or Ventro, in order to beat it". That lasted for---what---a week? I never had to go there with a PUG that needed it, and we used to clear out FOW regularly...

It's a helpful tool, but that's all it is..a tool. In about 2-3 months, you'll hear, "Man, you dont need TS for the Deep..what are you, a noob?"...

if i want make a team who require ts/vent what is wrong about this?

i dont need it ? sure

its usefull? sure

if i have a server , ventrillo and i spare enough time to make a group who can use voice comm why i should not?

Stockholm · Jun 01, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by lord of shadow

so what's wrong with having a title?

Nothing wrong with having a Title, you just have to know when and where to use it. Unfotunatly Titles have been abusede by some, who didn't know any better. Have 2 Titles, but they only have a meaning in the country they originat, so I don't use them in the US. Same thing with PvP Titles, in Arenas the have a meaning, getting a pug they don't mean anything.