Curse

KainShadow · Sep 12, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Well statistically i got the same amount of Greens for run with 2 henchs and with 5-6
but i'll not farm anymore... I have my Drago's Flatbow , this is enough for me

Snowman · Sep 12, 2005, 01:32 PM // 13:32

personally I dont see the problem with not getting green drops.

lets say everyone here got green items at the same rate as everyone else with just henchies then they would de-value enourmously!

The amount of GOLD drops now seems to be insane.. and.. as if by miracle they dont seem to get anywhere near the value they used to.

Gold items are now common place, purple is okay for getting materials, whites you may as well leave behind.. not worth the expert salvage, and not worth taking along a normal salvage kit for them.

Farming seems to be nessesary for gaining gold in the game, but I think the green items are sought after for their uses in PVP, not for their gold value. Even if you did sell one for the hold, chances are you will spend that cash looking to buy that perfect green for your pvp character.

either way, its only been a few days.. chill out. leave a suprise left in your life

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 12, 2005, 01:33 PM // 13:33

Well, there seems to be quite a group of people (myself included) who are certain about the henchmen being thieves.

Why would this be the case? I think the biggest reason for the henchmen stealing your loot would be the FACT that henchmen are better players than the majority of people.
If you get a good player controlling the henchmen, the henchmen are basically amplifiers of that good players ability...right?
If John Noob Doe takes henchies, his team may likely die bacause he doesn't know which class to target first for example.

So, ArenaNet doesn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry using the "better" henchmen to increase their personal fortunes.
They'd much rather people group with players and all have a good share of the goodies...maybe they also know that the average PUG only lasts a matter of minutes too...thus requiring them to team up again and keep the wheels moving.

I'd love to see a labratory condition test on these forums regarding henchmen.
Maybe someone who is in a good guild with lots of time and dedication could make an investigation? That would be so cool.

I would do it myself but my guild comprises of just myself (my brother left because of the "balances"

) but my impressions and my short and average tests tell me that there is an imbalance in the henchmen system.

I would also like to see some raw data from ArenaNet, rather than some non-explanatory (and mildly patronising) dribble from GW support, but i guess that would never happen....

Thunder Thyze · Sep 12, 2005, 02:44 PM // 14:44

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Originally Posted by Cobalt

I kept count and set a goal of 50 boss kills trying to get one of the new green items never got a one. Drops from bosses were so bad I got one plain icon drop in the last 20 boss kills 3 drops total in 50 boss kills. 2 plain items and one scroll of insight, just disgusting.

I sure hope others are having better luck than myself.

Well the Frog would suggest that Anet has introduced a kind of auto-nerf to subdue the farmers. I read it as meaning that drop quality is slowly reduced if you trigger it due to repeated farming.

Another suggestion is that drop quality will increase somewhat (green items anyway) if you group with another player rather than just henchies. Don't know if this is the case but I haven't seen a green item yet and I have been playing pretty much uber-hench since last week.

One matter putting me off grouping with others at the moment though is that it seems to me that there are a few connection issues been brought into play since the update. Lagging (and I mean eventual error 7 type lagging) seems to be going through a bad patch at the moment.

jdwoody · Sep 12, 2005, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I was in a PUG last night, 8 humans (it also reminded me why I never monk w/ PUGs

) and after going after every boss in the the footprint and furnace I only saw 3 green drops total (2 from one boss) For the groups I've been in, the green drops have been far below 30%. I've also farmed a bit and did quests with monk + henchies and ranger + henchies but haven't seen a single green item that way.

I've heard things about monks getting fewer drops, but I've never really noticed my warror/ranger getting better drops. I'm sure there is alot of "Gambler's Fallacy" out there, but it would have been nice for anet to answer your question more directly.

Frank The Tank · Sep 12, 2005, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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I also think the drops are rigged with henchies. I tried to farm the bosses with a full team of henchies, and nothing (literally killed 20+). When I brought the same group of henchies and one guildie, I got the mesmer staff. He had to leave, went full henchies again and nothing drops (another 20+ kills).

To add to this:

Last night I joined a PUG and the first two bosses we meet, I get two green items (The Bludgeoner & Flints Wand). The 3rd boss dropped Morgriffs staff for someone else. I was ecstatic, but angry at the same time that the henchie theory is absolutely correct. Most of the time I can't commit myself to a mission for an hour straight or whatever, I take henchies most of the time so I don't have to keep people waiting if I go AFK for a few minutes or so. In almost every PUG group i've been in, someone has bailed half way through leaving us in a bad position, henchies don't bail. Players should not be penalized for taking them, some of us choose to play the game a little different.

ashed · Sep 12, 2005, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Well, I can see where Anet going with the henchmen issue. I'm sure we have all had a situation where we have a full group of players and we didn't get one good drop, while everyone else seemed to be raking them in. Other times we do get them, I know its been that way with me anyway...

Now if you have a full team of henchmen playing with you, they are taking a good portion of the loot, they are the majority of the party. I think Anet went to far with that concept though, as I've yet to get a green drop or anything of value with henchmen. I used to just see it as them being the majority of the party so naturally I'd miss out on alot, I don't believe it as strongly anymore. Missing out on a good portion but still getting something I can deal with, missing out on everything but maybe a few white drops and some gold is too much. I agree with the poster above saying that we shouldn't be penalized for using henchmen. They added henchmen in for many reasons, some people just cant dedicate alot of time or have sporadic AFK moments.

Why is Anet screwing these people over? They still paid for the game and are playing it.

asd334 · Sep 12, 2005, 07:20 PM // 19:20

anyways you can't farm with henchies because it kills the finding rate haha lol

Igedit · Sep 12, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

In my experience, the amount of times you've been to an area far outweighs the number of henchman you have regarding drops.

The first time I did Thirtsy River w/7 henchies - Sup Vigor rune
Second trip = maybe a couple purples
Subsequent trips = whites and blues mostly

The first time though Grenths Footprint w/7 henchies - 1 Green + a few golds
Second trip = maybe a couple purples
Subsequent trips = back to whites and blues

etc.

I know this is by design, but I think it's a larger factor than the # of players involved.

FireMountain · Sep 12, 2005, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Anet - Kiss my ars. Eat the big one. You know where you can go.

I've tried to farm because I've never got anything worth a flying crap. YOUR GAME SUCKS. I don't know if you've tried to regulate it or not but however you set it up you've screwed me to the hilt and I'm really tired of it....

BITE ME

Kurow · Sep 12, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Ive gotten two with henchs, and i wasnt even farming :P

Cryosphere · Sep 13, 2005, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Hmm...I made an exploration trip around Sorrow Furnace's entrance with 7 henchies, and got 2 green drops, 1 each from 2 bosses I found on the way. Oh...and a golden armor as well..

I guess it's really your luck...

kelvanor · Sep 13, 2005, 12:15 AM // 00:15

i just got 2 greens from one boss with a group of 4 henches just to give some hope

Joe L. · Sep 13, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

I have had sort of the same hit or miss luck as well, and not just in the furnace. I went there with 7 henchmen to explore and do quests, just to kind of get the flavor of the new area? I killed something like nine bosses, and got one green drop, along with tons of normal blue, and a few purple, so I do not know whether hench have anything to do with it. (on a side note, I expert salvaged all of the drops, and and ended up making like 6k [got a ton of rare material] from all of it. But today, I saw a boss monster drop four things, and all for the same player????

Anyway, I guess you win some and you lose some. I find it hard to believe that Anet can load you with loot one day, and leave you blank the next.

Cheers

Chobby · Sep 13, 2005, 03:39 AM // 03:39

it's a game and u guys are crying over not getting this and that. stop farming and play the game, enjoy it. For all that i've played up to thristy, i've only got 3 gold items and that's it. I don't go whining all over the net, i get a

to see a rare item. Having mentioned that green items are dropped is NOT a "i should be getting how many". it's rare. This whining happens before green drops existed. imagine they brought in ANOTHER color drop.

Also arenanet doesn't have to tell you exactly how they calculate chances though they did say it's "randomly generated". Maybe it's just bad luck.

Even if they did explain totally how they calculate these chances stuff, you guys would just go grab the numbers, calculate your "expected" chances and then come back whining about the rate of drops is incorrect.

Pandora's box · Sep 13, 2005, 10:03 AM // 10:03

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Originally Posted by Chobby

Even if they did explain totally how they calculate these chances stuff, you guys would just go grab the numbers, calculate your "expected" chances and then come back whining about the rate of drops is incorrect.

If you read this thread carefully you would notice that its about many hundreds of games. Consider throwing 100 1d6 dies. What's the chance that you won't throw any 6?

Cat Tabby · Sep 13, 2005, 12:13 PM // 12:13

My advice; stop farming green items, just play the game. If you play the missions in sorrows you will kill plenty of bosses; going to and from the furnace and in the furnace itself. In anycase, the items from grenths have been overfarmed already, most do not sell for much.

I was doing the orozar highstone mission, with henchmen btw, and got will crusher, the mesmer domination staff (failed the mission though).

If you go out simply to farm you jut get frustrated and dissillusioned, and the game stops being fun.

Mike Legend · Sep 13, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

On the same theme, I've noticed that going out with two of my guildmates (1 Warrior / 1 Ele) and my Ele causes the Warrior to get ALL the drops, and the Ele to get none. In my only ever farming run around the Footprint with those two, we killed all the bosses and probably everything else. I got one Gold drop and nothing else (at all), the other Ele got one white truncheon (not even max), while the Warrior enjoyed 2 green drops, 3 gold drops, countless purple and blue drops...worst of all this always seems to happen.

I went out last night with that warrior to kill some charr for a laugh. I noticed that all the Charr Carvings were coming my way, and my Warrior friend ended up with 11 Charr Hides and countless purple armours - despite the fact that I was burninating all of them before he could even GET to them. Not that I particularly care at this stage, but in terms of potential value my warrior friend probably has 1k's worth of drops there whereas I have worthless stuff.

What's the deal with warriors getting all the drops?

Cat Tabby · Sep 13, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Oh Btw, i have noticed something when playing with henchmen. Sometimes, when you kill a boss, you can still see the weapon he was carrying in his hand, sometimes not. Perhaps in the case of the latter the weapon didn't drop (obviously); and in the case of the latter, a henchman got it. I am not sure; just a thought.

jdwoody · Sep 13, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

BTW - I got a green item w/ henchies last night. It was me and 5 henchies, killed around 10 bosses and got a pretty nice water staff (both +20% +5 energy +30 health)