Curse

Charcoal Ann · Sep 10, 2005, 10:38 AM // 10:38

you don't *always* get a green drop from a Boss. i have been out enough to see that very often the bosses don't drop anything but a crappy want and focus or something.

i have been going out with henchies a lot as well. i only use 5 henchies in Grenths but still the drops are abysmal. i have got Thorgals shield. all my other good items are chest items (and they don't make up the price of the key all that often)

sambotheman · Sep 10, 2005, 10:48 AM // 10:48

i must have alll the luck i have been partying with 7 hencies and got at least 1 green drop pur run 5 overall i have had 1 hammer which i sold for 10k 3 stinger sold for 10k each and i staff with 2 +30 health mods which i sold for 30k i could have got more than that but i dont wan to spend hours seliin stuff

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 10, 2005, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Thank God that i am not alone in this matter.

Earlier i sent an email to ArenaNet, to ask them directly......

Hello ArenaNet.

I have a question or two which i would like to put to you and i am
really hoping you can give me a sincere answer/explaination to my troubles.
I would appreciate it if you could take the time to answer person to
person, rather than just direct me to a website or give me a cut and
paste answer. I thank you kindly.

OK, well done on the update. Obviously you have worked really hard on
it.

However, since the update, i have spent a hell of alot of time in the
new areas in the joyful company of henchmen (Alot meaning 12 hours or
more a day).
Not once have any of the bosses dropped one of these much famed "green
items" with great statistics.
I have partied three times with other players, and everytime with these
player groups, bosses have dropped these items....sometimes two drops
from one boss.
I understand that i can't see the loot which drops for the henchmen so
to say but the number of bosses i have killed is absolutely insane.
I would guess at least 60... perhaps 100 bosses have been killed by
myself with henchmen.

I originally put it down to bad luck, then i thought i would give it
another day to see if things improve....they haven't.
Runes are O.K. and i even unlocked a superior vigor on my second
account but i see people bragging about getting 8 green items so far, 3 green
items just from today blah blah.
It makes me feel so mad and jealous.
I have even tried taking just four henchmen with me to increase my
chances but to no avail.

Why with henchmen am i getting no green drops? All i seem to get is 98
gold coins.
Here are my drops from my last trip.

23 Items, mostly whites/blues but a couple of minor/major runes.
68 piles of gold (35 of them were 98 gold coins..thats over 50% of
them).

Why does the loot seem extremely different with henchmen?
Is it engineered that way?
Am i being penalised for not taking REAL players with me?

I thankyou for your time and i anxiously look forward to your reply.

Scorpion Boy · Sep 10, 2005, 10:58 AM // 10:58

It worked fine with me with the henchies got 4 green drops in 8 times doing the round of bosses (just be patienced)

Cunning · Sep 10, 2005, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Why do some people complain that green items are worthless, yet others complain that they can't get any?

Don't forget that your drop rates will decrease every other time you enter the same area. So the more you farm, the less you get.

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 10, 2005, 11:20 AM // 11:20

I forgot to mention, my runs have been with three characters on two different accounts. I have even done the odd trip to the desert, perdition rock and tasca's demise.
Believe me, i've tried to swing the luck my way....

Cobalt · Sep 10, 2005, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

Thank God that i am not alone in this matter[/I]

Nice letter I hope they respond and you post their response.

I went with henches most of the day again yesterday outside and inside furnace and again must have killed over 60 bosses I only remember 3 actually dropping anything but nothing green. I even reduced it from an 8 man team to 6 to try and improve my chances, did not help.

Last night I teamed up with real people and we had 2 green drops in the first 5 bosses.

There is no doubt in my mind drops with henches is no where near the same as with humans. If they respond telling you that it is, they will be out-and-out lying. I believe the crap drops with henches is done this way on purpose to deter people from solo farming with henches.

Teh Azman · Sep 10, 2005, 01:39 PM // 13:39

Eh, took me about 30 boss kills to get a Rockmolder with henches...Since then haven't seen anything when i hench it

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 10, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Well they responded in the same fashionable speed which we usually see. It's nice that i got a personal reply as i had wished but it kind of dodges the questions which i desperately needed answering and goes against not only the observations of myself, but others on this board.

Hello Gary,

Thanks for contacting the Guild Wars support team.

As you may know, Guild Wars recently received an update. (http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html) Some of these updates included changes to how loot drops. Have you completed a full mission yet? Across the entire scope of a mission/zone, you should see an appropriate amount of gold and items being dropped.

If, after adventuring across an entire zone/mission, you still find that the new loot distribution is below satisfactory, we encourage you to consider posting your suggestions on one of many of the Guild Wars Fansite message boards. A compiled list can be found on the official Guild Wars website http://guildwars.com/community/default.html. By posting on one of these message boards, other players can comment on your ideas, concerns, and suggestions, and Development Team members are able to catch up on what the community wants to see in Guild Wars. Fansite forums make it easy and efficient for us to learn from those playing the game.

Please know that we did read your email and are responding with advice that will be the most effective. Thank you for your efforts in assisting us to create the best gaming experience possible. If you have any further questions please let us know and we will gladly assist you.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

So again, while nice to get a reply so quickly, it still doesn't answer the question regarding green drops and henchmen.
I will send another since they have informed me of the option to do so.

To add, last might, i was assigned a green item while playing with people. It was a -2 enchanted, quick recovery from weakness, strength shield.
I got this while in a party of people.

Still no luck so far today with henchmen. I killed all the bosses in Grenths and as many as i could find in Sorrows Furnace, even completing the Political Ramifications quest which requires you to kill bosses.

What's going on?

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 10, 2005, 08:51 PM // 20:51

I have sent another email (won't be long before i address them by their first names, heh

)

Anyway, here it is.

Hello ArenaNet, i thank you for your swift reply to my query.

However, i am still left asking the question as to why i get none of the green items while in a party of henchmen.

You asked if i had done any of the quests and the answer is yes. I have done a few of the quests, some of them several times. I understand the concept behind "playing the game normally".

I usually clear out the entire map of enemies, not just the bosses. I have just returned from one such occasion.

I eliminated every enemy in Grenths Footprint and continued to Sorrows Furnace. I did the political ramifications quest too, which requires you to kill bosses. Whilst inside, i killed (i think) around 10 bosses during that trip. Add that to the bosses in Grenths that i had killed, it becomes obviously clear to me that it is practically impossible to obtain these mythical green items while with henchmen.

"Party with other players, Gary" you may want to say. This for me is not an option.

I should not be forced to play with people who aggrovate every enemy in sight, go AFK, leave during the mission, go different directions, draw penises on the compass (yes that still happens), cry about wanting to "get that chest" and runs through 10-15 stoned summit to get it....

Players ruin everything and finding a good group that works well together is rarer than a decade of a democracy with no conspiracies. I play the game normally and i like to think that i am a dedicated and caring player but yet i (and others like myself) continue to be short changed because we prefer to play with henchmen.

It makes me wonder if i have missed out on anything else since my epic journey began on that peaceful day in Ascalon City.

Please ArenaNet, i beseech you, explain why i do not get green drops while with henchmen....

Sincerely and respectfully, Gary.

See what happens...

Konquest · Sep 10, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

I,ve had a green item with a party of henchmen, so stop complaining... :P

RicanKing · Sep 10, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

I spent a whole day farming yesterday w/ henchies and i got nothing, not even a damn rare item from like 6 chests..... henchies = encourage my bad luck

, i think they eat like 2 items for every 3 that is supposed to drop for us -_-.....damn hench AI

KallDrexx · Sep 10, 2005, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cunning

Don't forget that your drop rates will decrease every other time you enter the same area. So the more you farm, the less you get.

Is this true?

corax5 · Sep 10, 2005, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by KallDrexx

Is this true?

Its the first I've heard of that, I though the drops only decrease after a very large amount of heavy farming in one area.

Pandora's box · Sep 10, 2005, 11:21 PM // 23:21

I did not find one green item after 3 days sf with henchmen. Did not count the bosses I killed but it were a lot. No clue if its bad luck and if players with pugs find more (some people suggest so). I sincerely hope sf won't become a d2 alike farming area whith only players cleaning it time after time just to find green items. Everyone wants those items, including me lol. But after 3 days I'm allready getting bored of doing the same trip over and over again. There must be better ingame ways to find those greenies.

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 10, 2005, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Hello,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support. Please understand that the loot system is based upon a random generating system. While one person may get a boss drop on their first killing of a boss, some people are not so lucky. It is based entirely on chance. We do not have the ability to single out players for more or less drops than any other player either accidentally or on purpose.
Who knows? It may be that you go out today and receive 2 drops from every boss you kill. While you may hear of people that have received a larger than proportionate number of boss drops, please note that these people tend to be the most vocal in telling everyone how they have succeeded. The people who have only received one boss drop will not usually exclaim it in the All channel.
We certainly do sympathize with you. It can be hard to get these items sometimes and that can be frustrating. All I can suggest is that you keep trying, and I'm sure that you too will soon have your own inventory full of green items.
Please let us know if you have any more questions and we will be more than happy to assist you!

Kind regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

4 PUGs (teams of 5) = 2 green items found
13 Trips with henchmen (teams of 4,5,6,+8) = 0 green items found

The figures have spoken.... Little Thom is a thief.

Andy_M · Sep 10, 2005, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Have you tried going out with a reduced team of henchies ? That should increase your drop ratio a bit.

Cobalt · Sep 11, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tactical-Dillusions

Hello,

Thank you for contacting Guild Wars Support. Please understand that the loot system is based upon a random generating system. While one person may get a boss drop on their first killing of a boss, some people are not so lucky. It is based entirely on chance. We do not have the ability to single out players for more or less drops than any other player either accidentally or on purpose.
Who knows? It may be that you go out today and receive 2 drops from every boss you kill. While you may hear of people that have received a larger than proportionate number of boss drops, please note that these people tend to be the most vocal in telling everyone how they have succeeded. The people who have only received one boss drop will not usually exclaim it in the All channel.
We certainly do sympathize with you. It can be hard to get these items sometimes and that can be frustrating. All I can suggest is that you keep trying, and I'm sure that you too will soon have your own inventory full of green items.
Please let us know if you have any more questions and we will be more than happy to assist you!

Kind regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team

Notice how they avoided saying anything about henches and drops, proof positive in my book that the henches are rigged and Anet screws anyone who uses them!

I wonder if we could find a lawyer to take them to court probono for deliberately cheating players and causing undue stress on them.

Plague · Sep 11, 2005, 01:02 AM // 01:02

I take two henchmen (monks) and one Warrior human player with me when I farm. I've made several runs this way, probably about a dozen, and have never seen a green item drop. When I'm with a player only group, however, I will at least usually see one, maybe two drops.

If you indeed CAN get green items with henches, it's so rare that you might as well be farming for godly weapons.

Cat Tabby · Sep 11, 2005, 01:06 AM // 01:06

I got a green drop of the mesmer boss outside sorrows with a full compliment of henchies on my second/third run. I got a superior vigor rune from a chest on the same run:-)