Curse

Kong · Nov 11, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by aohige

That's because he spams Impossible Odds when his life is low.
The only reason why the entire party is dying, is because they aren't posted to be spread apart.

All you have to do is use your positioning flag to order your heroes to spread apart, this way only some of the henchies are going to get hit by Impossible Odds at once.
There's no way the entire party will go down this way.

I had the spread out as best as possible but still in casting range or him and me to make sure that I stay alive.

I just did the mission again, this time same thing except we won, luckily everytime he killed me and broke off to go kill someone else I was able to get him back on me... no one else died. Was just a matter of time until he was dead.

It was still hard as hell though, I look forward to attempting this mission with my other characters.

Crowell The Fallen · Nov 12, 2006, 12:40 PM // 12:40

i did this mission just the other day with heros and hench, but i took a more sneaky aproach to it.

I had one monk bring Holy Wrath and Retiburtion, a necro bring Vital Blessing and Life Attunement. I took Balth Spirit, Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond, among other fighting skills to actually get me to shiro.

So i pwned everyone on the way, pwned the lich, flagged my party outside the big door, got them to cast their enchants on me, and i simply tanked shiro using prot spirit and spirit bond. Holy Wrath and Retribution killed him slowly.

So basically i did the good old Spirit Bonder builds. i died once or twice doing it, as spirit bond broke and i got a lag spike, but hey. worked for me.

i think having shiro is a bit overpowering, but i liked the challenge. think about it! imagine how godly you feel after pwning BOTH bosses from the other two games AT THE SAME TIME. woot!

... well... at least i thought it was cool :P

Dahl · Nov 12, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Maybe he's bugged for me or something? It actually seems impossible all of a sudden even though it was easy before.

I don't understand why hes acting up all of a sudden. Yeah okay I can get there, no problem no deaths everyones got morale. We smoke the lich, easy. We get to shiro, get him down to 1/4 health, not much damage suffered, and then he uses impossible odds, smokes 6/8 of our tam in 1 swing.

Correct me if im wrong, but impossible odds should double attack everyone nearby. I'm PRETTY sure he's not supposed to be striking for around 250 damage per swing, but he somehow manages to kill everyone in a single hit. We kept the heroes further back but he still took them out. I'm wondering if theres some sort of a stacking bug going on here.

Imagine mark of pain was physical damage and you used barrage on a rather large group, it would just keep going until it was dead in 1 shot. Could that be the case here?

Cunning · Nov 12, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

I completed it twice in a row, once with heroes/henchies, the next time with a mate.

The first time I used something like this:
Bassic axe warrior - myself
Blinding surge ele hero, with other lightning skills and ward against melee
Spoil Victor necro hero
Motivation hench
Illusion hench
Earth hench
Healer hench
The other healer hench

The team suffered a few deaths from Impossible Odds, but we were able to res up and finish the fight. That was without the bonus too.

The second time I swapped the motivation hench and earth hench for my mate's Paragon and his Paragon hero. Shiro didn't kill anyone that time, and we completed the bonus.

I got some help from guildwiki as well, with the right setup this mission is one of the easier ones.

Edit: I should stress that restoration shouts/chants/echoes/whatever and other damage mitigating skills are extremely useful, if he's overpowered, just underpower him. The skills are already there.

Canius · Nov 12, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

I hero/henched it with my derv....olias and ss....bunch of cold damage ranged weapons and spread the field....worked like a charm...the hero ranger with a cold fast bow with interupts

-.- · Nov 12, 2006, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Is it safe to say this is the new 'Thunderhead Keep'?

Jeff Highwind · Nov 12, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

I dunno -.-, I had more trouble at the Grand Court of Sembelkeh than at Madness.

Lucifer PVP · Nov 12, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

idk i got masters with hench/heros

ShaneOfMach · Nov 12, 2006, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Alright

Heres my little story...

We go in with the standard build, Two tanks, SV/AV Mesmer, Spoils Victor Necro, Spiteful Spirit Necro, Nuker, and Two monks.

Halfway through the mission, one tank and the spoils victor necro go afk...

When we finally get to the temple and kill the lich, our other tank got disconnected...

So.. It's just me, another monk, and the three casters, all facing shiro...

So basically... All we did was run aroud Shiro, not letting him ATTACK us at all, and just wanded his ass to death. (no Protective Spirit either, so one attack was an instant kill)

If I could complete this mission with masters reward with only me and four other casters with no tanks or Spoils Victor Necromancer, WHY CANT YOU?!?!

Rathcail · Nov 13, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahl

Correct me if im wrong, but impossible odds should double attack everyone nearby. I'm PRETTY sure he's not supposed to be striking for around 250 damage per swing, but he somehow manages to kill everyone in a single hit. We kept the heroes further back but he still took them out. I'm wondering if theres some sort of a stacking bug going on here.

Oh that's exactly what he's supposed to do. It's the Battle Scars stance he uses (Wild Blow for the win). It takes the highest amount of damage dealt to him during the stance, and steals that amount of health with each hit he does.

Thallandor · Nov 13, 2006, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by DeVaNeY121

After reading this I decided to test Shiro out with 3 heros , 3 henchmen -> not max party .
It was stupidly easy.

How I did it ;
1 WoH hero , with mostly 5 energy heal skills .
1 Blessed Light hero , with blessed and 5 energy protection skills , and prot spirit.
1 Spoilt Victor necro , left his skills all the way up till shiros fight , then DISABLE ALL BUT SPOILT so thats all he uses .

Devona . Mhenlo . Kihm ,

My ele build ;
Gylph of Lesser Energy , Blurred Vision , Empathy , Water Trident , Ice Spear , Ice Prison , Water Atunment

The fight to the bosses was easy , just do what you normally do with henchmen

At shiro I ran into the area and put all fire on the lich , took a while with the little damage we had but it didnt matter . Then we ran outside because shiro doesnt usualy go past the doorway and runs back , few seconds of regen . I actived the shrines just for masters req , didnt have any affect on the fight [Also I thinck there bugged as it says 20 minutes for the buffs , but they ran out after 2 minutes] then ran into the middle shiro was folowing all the time but kept blurred on him for 50% of the time and we had no issues with him .

At the middle I placed 1 hero monk at one side , another a few foot away , the necro another few foot . With henchmen I placed them directly opposite the 1st monk . Devona ran in and starting hitting him , he seems to get confused as which to attck for a few moments and just runs around , then he locks on to devona and we get empathy , spoilt and blured up . It took about 1 minute to bring him down ....... Revenge !!!!!!

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The first time I did this I got him stuck inbetween komir and koss so that was much easier , but that was all luck

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Using DeVaNeY121 advice of disabling skills other than Empathy and degen for mesmer Hero and SV for Necro Hero when fighting shiro, managed to get through gate of maddness and Abaddon's Gates using the same build.

ElPietro · Nov 13, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

I didn't read the last few pages, but I just finished this mission for the first time and found it to be not all that challenging at all. No deaths whatsoever.

I was playing a fairly vanilla Dervish and had the following dudes:

Olias with weak MMing but also had Spoil Victor
Whispers - setup as generic SS necro
Koss - Wild Blow, but otherwise fairly vanillay wammo build
Had both healer henchies
Devona
Mesmer Hench

When I walked near the mouth of the temple, both Lich and Shiro charge my group of hench/heros. Took care of the lich and then backed away so shiro was standing at mouth of temple.

Then just proceeded to run past Shiro, and completely ignored him, while I went to each shrine and killed the stuff there. I didn't see any of my party getting hurt much at all. When I capped the last shrine, I simply ran into the middle, and killed Shiro like any other Boss mob, just called the target and wacked away. He died in about 20-30 seconds.

Not one hench/hero or myself at any point died during this mission.

I didn't have spoil victor, so took my Monk/Necro and had to do a run from Vasburg to Amatz Basin (kinda tough) and then from Basin I went out and killed the boss to the west that has Spoil Victor on him.

Just took some points away from death and soul reaping on Olias, and brought Blood up to 12 for this skill. Didn't monitor if he used it much, but I believe the duration of one cast would have been all that was required to finish Shiro.

Not sure if that will help anyone, but if so great.

Phoenix Ex · Nov 13, 2006, 06:53 AM // 06:53

Just a hint, Impossible Odd has a 0.5 sec casting time so it can be interrupted! Of course...this also mean that only a hero interupter can do the job since no human has that kind of reflex.

Psychic distraction Mesmer ftw

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Guildmaster Cain · Nov 13, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

Ive kicked Abaddons butt 2 times before with henchies, but I did it yesterday again and was considerable harder. This time actually a Hero died and a lot others were below 10% at some times. The problem was Abaddon getting bugged or something, because he was spamming the Words of Madness (dazed) about every 5 seconds. Plus he actually targeted my group this time with his fists.
Anyway, I liked this form, since it seemed a bit harder then usual. Continuous mass Dazed + interrupts, also he could target far up the hill with his Word of Madness, couldnt walk away from him...

Suuk · Nov 13, 2006, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

If I could complete this mission with masters reward with only me and four other casters with no tanks or Spoils Victor Necromancer, WHY CANT YOU?!?!

You did it with 5 persons? Noob!
I forgot that I flagged my heroes/henchies to stay put and ended up solo in front of the lich and shiro. I also ran around and wanded them to death. Easy win. Now I need to redo for master....

Ok, that was of course not really how it went...

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

If I could complete this mission with masters reward with only me and four other casters with no tanks or Spoils Victor Necromancer, WHY CANT YOU?!?!

Because some of us are not the uberl33t pwnz0r you are...

Hey you asked for this

Now, back on topic.

The trick is to know what the skills of Shiro do. As pointed out by others in this thread stance breaking is crucial. Also, MOVE AROUND. Do not stand still.

As I only did this with my monk, I can only talk about my monk's skills. I found 'heal party' a real handy skill. Especially if aiming at masters: you can stay away from your party (and shiro, since he follows the party to the shrines) and keep your team alive. I imagine that the elite skill (healing all members <80%) would even be better suited for this.

Good luck!

ChoKILLate[FDG] · Nov 13, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

I've been stuck on the second to last Nightfall mission for about a week now. Its the one where you have to beat Shiro again. I can hench the whole thing, get the Undead Lich, get the bonus, but I cannot kill the level 31 Shiro. We are not doing enough damage. The teams there are all looking for Necros that have spoil victor and spinal shiver, but as a Dervish it is impossible to find a good team willing to take me.

The hench/heros I used were my 2 monk heros, my air ele hero, 1 mhenlo, 1 ele earth, devona, and the blood necro. I might try one more time with my fire ele hero, my air ele hero, 1 prot monk hero, then 2 NPC heal monks, 1 fire NPC, and 1 devona. Has anyone done this with hench or in a smaller group?

Arkantos · Nov 13, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Theres already about 4783597955 threads on this mission. Browse more plz.

ChoKILLate[FDG] · Nov 13, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

What is it actually called, so I can do a search...sorry I am not at home.

foo · Nov 13, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

and could a mod rename the thread, for the sake of those who hadn't got there yet?

Jade_Onyx · Nov 13, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Its called gates of madness