Curse

AlienFromBeyond · Nov 08, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Jade_Onyx

But you actually have to BE there...

Do you not understand the words AFK Farm? I left my computer on last night and made a boat load of points, though not at the same rate as I last mentioned. Gotta look into why that is, I didn't change anything...

Cherno · Nov 08, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Gert Butterfing

Those Tormented Lands were part of a quest arc anyway - once you'd done it they never spawn again...

Shame they removed the Whispers guy (haven't checked but just going on info here) as that was a nice boost whilst doing that arc...

That's odd, I went out there with no quests and was able to farm them for LB points.

Jade_Onyx · Nov 08, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

-->Gert Butterfing
I ran the whole zone when a guildy mentioned this to me and all the priests didn't want to talk to me (rank 8 sunspear so I'm assuming they are all giving sunspear points).
-->AlienFromBeyond
I understand afk farming, was just making a point to those that said you get alot more in other zones that this was to be done while doing homework or sleep or something.
-->Cherno
They spawn regardless if you have the quest, they just stopped spawnning when you finish the quest line.

Matrix · Nov 08, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Ya they took away the Whispers guy. Now there are only priests that give blessing for Sunspear.
And if i find another way to get easy earn for LA points ill post here. Ppl that found out about that trick indirectly helped me to get my rank 3.

Amarande · Nov 08, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

I think the basic problem here is this -

Lightbringer's Gaze itself is too powerful (the other one does not seem as much so).

Because Lightbringer's Gaze is too powerful, it excludes other solutions, and makes them weaker by comparison in the areas concerned. In turn, the Lightbringer ranks are obsessed about far more than should be the case (seriously the only title that should be being obsessed about in NF is Sunspear, and that's reasonable, especially at the mainland it isn't too hard to hit rank 8 without needing too much farming - just hug the edges - getting your optimal map scraping in the process - picking up the Sunspear bounties as you get to the rez shrines, and then doing a full clean of the area, you shouldn't need to clear anything more than once or twice to hit Castellan).

It can be a nice thing to give farmers some advantages in return for the effort, but they should be kept small and not vital, as previous advantages have been. Wisdom/TH bonus is nice, but really, it only comes into play with golds, and even then only golds that have multiple mods that you really, really want to salvage, and you probably won't find THAT many of those before you've opened a million chests and ID'd a zillion golds anyway. Top Kurzick and Luxon alliance bonuses are nice, but the Elite Mission is the only really significant one and you can get a taxi anyway even if you didn't farm (the discount merchants are not a big enough advantage to complain about). 5k/15k armor is beautiful (in most cases, sometimes it looks like a real dog, sometimes worse even than the 1k/1.5k armor), but all it actually changes is your looks, you still have to get the same runes, the same insignia (if Elonian crafted), you still have to get it infused to use in parts of Tyria, and so forth.

Lightbringer's Gaze is not a small advantage, and it is proving vital to get into groups, according to the previous going (I have not progressed the storyline much in NF myself, preferring to focus my Elonian attention on exploration for the time being, so I haven't encountered the Torment Realms yet). It desperately needs a significant nerf if GW is to survive as GW and not to degenerate into a 'you MUST have this!' fest like, say, Final Fantasy XI has succumbed to being ...

Is there really a good reason for Anet to take this dual stance towards farming? On the one hand they discourage it (the drop nerf) and on the other hand they're telling us (by making LG the way it is) that Nightfall is basically, yes, about mindless farming, that's how the game is designed deal with it. Do MMOG's need to focus on farming to survive, is the GW model fundamentally flawed?

Or was NF simply, as I suspect, rushed to release to take advantage of the Halloween weekend event for promoting the game? Unfortunately, I think this is the most likely answer, given the amount of bugs we've experienced over the past week and a half, and the missing content (legitimate Sunspear rank 9 and the elite mission) ...

unienaule · Nov 09, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Let me get this straight. You're ranting about Lightbringer's Gaze, and claiming it needs a nerf, when you haven't even used it yet? Time for me to post an IMPORTANT fact.

Savio and I, while we are pretty good PvEers, beat Nightfall with only heroes. No other players were used in any mission we went on (that means we only had 2 copies of lightbringers gaze. Two! Not eight.) The Margonites are PUSHOVERS. They fail at life. It is possible to take on two groups of them at the same time and still win. If somebody isn't letting you into some group because your lightbringer rank "isn't high enough" then ignore them and make your own group. It's doable!

Jade_Onyx · Nov 09, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Err, the ammount of bugs that are in nightfall is minimal compaired with the other two campaigns. Plus, I like the fact that they are holding off on the elite missions, but that might just be me.

Mistress Mindbender · Nov 09, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Lightbringers gaze isnt that good, it deals holy damage... but torment mobs have armor vs that. And it takes a ton of points for it to be especially effective.

You dont need it to farm points or win missions.

Fates · Nov 09, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Need? No. But put 4 or 5 people together at rank 4 or 5 and you own everything. It's almost too easy.

Mathias Deathwater · Nov 09, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by Amarande

I think the basic problem here is this -

Lightbringer's Gaze itself is too powerful.

To tell you the truth, Lightbringer's gaze isn't really all that overpowered. True, it is awesome, but not a requirement by any means. The only thing that higher LB ranks make easier (due to gaze) is farming more margonites for more LB points... See a pattern here?

Even in the last few missions, it's not the margonites that give anyone trouble, the only things that are really likely to kill you aren't effected by gaze in the first place. Heck, it's even completely and totally useless in the last mission. I guess my main point is, don't worry about it, because the game is just as easy without it as with it, all it does is speed up the process somewhat.

Juicey Shake · Nov 09, 2006, 07:11 AM // 07:11

oh well, my afk whispers informant lover left me after 10.5k afk'd points.. a few hours of play away from getting my ranger to a still afk-able LB farming spot.. where I can get over the 200 lb/s per hour I was getting already.. oh well @_@.

Xunlai Master · Nov 09, 2006, 07:30 AM // 07:30

finally got r7, anyone got r8 yet? it that the max? if not do u still get blessing after r8?

Savio · Nov 09, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

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Originally Posted by Mathias Deathwater

Heck, it's even completely and totally useless in the last mission.

Actually, you can hit all but the Monoliths in that mission, so it's not completely useless.

Moving grouping posts to another thread, discussion != lfg.

unienaule · Nov 09, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Also, Margonites don't have armor against holy. Holy damage doesn't INHERENTLY ignore armor. Many of the skills that do holy damage do ignore armor and don't specify it, but there are others that do not, like Lightbringer's Gaze. Examples: Judges Insight makes you deal holy damage, as does Heart of Holy Flame. Those do not make your attacks ignore armor. Since it is an untyped form of damage, it should do damage in this order from least to greatest, since it only cares about base AL: Warriors;Paragons;Rangers and Dervishes;Rest of casters.

Vanquisher · Nov 09, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Don't need Lightbringers Gaze (or people for that matter) for any of the game. Did it all with Heroes/Henchmen, didn't have to re-do a mission, on a Ranger. Sort of want it to help get Masters though, much quicker.

Amity and Truth · Nov 09, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

*shrugs*
The Problem is not Lightbringer. The problem is the playerbase. Lightbringer is just another exclamation mark to the "GuildWars Nightfall - the Single Player experience" theme. You know, it's just another reason to not go PUG.
Besides how can a skill in PVE be overpowered?

Reason · Nov 09, 2006, 06:42 PM // 18:42

FFS people...Lighbringers Gaze is not needed to beat the game it just makes the end stuff easier, WE HAVE SETTLED THAT...can we get back to the topic of the thread and answer whether or not you can continue to get the hunts even after you to 15,000 LB points? Or did they cap it like they did once you hit 7,500 SS points? Also if you can continue to get the hunts has anyone reached the 25,000 mark? And if so does it FINALLY stop? Or do we got to get to 50,000? And do the hunts stop after 25,000 LB points or will we be able to max this title out without using, what in my eyes is an exploit, (which is what A-Net nerfed for the LB title) to max this title out? (the exploit i am reffering to is letting the monks rez as you go and fight another group that will earn you SS points for those of you who were wondering).

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer the few questions that i asked here.

Jade_Onyx · Nov 09, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Also, Margonites don't have armor against holy. Holy damage doesn't INHERENTLY ignore armor. Many of the skills that do holy damage do ignore armor and don't specify it, but there are others that do not, like Lightbringer's Gaze. Examples: Judges Insight makes you deal holy damage, as does Heart of Holy Flame. Those do not make your attacks ignore armor. Since it is an untyped form of damage, it should do damage in this order from least to greatest, since it only cares about base AL: Warriors;Paragons;Rangers and Dervishes;Rest of casters.

I pretty confident that holy damage does ignore armour. Enchants that change your dmg to holy damage are different from spells that do holy dmg, as the enchant lets you do holy dmg as well as the (physical) dmg you were already doing. This has been discused to death by many other people and (imho) makes so much more sense then saying the skill doesn't tell you it ignores damage. Or at least thats what I think (and I could be wrong).

Anywho, I'm really interested to see if those who have the higher ranks in LB (im rank 6 atm) can still get the hunts/blessings and what (if there is) the max is (and how much I have to cry...50k seems like such a long way away. Will be sad if theres a lv after..100k...then 200k...).

aohige · Nov 09, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Reason

FFS people...Lighbringers Gaze is not needed to beat the game it just makes the end stuff easier, WE HAVE SETTLED THAT...can we get back to the topic of the thread and answer whether or not you can continue to get the hunts even after you to 15,000 LB points? Or did they cap it like they did once you hit 7,500 SS points? Also if you can continue to get the hunts has anyone reached the 25,000 mark? And if so does it FINALLY stop? Or do we got to get to 50,000? And do the hunts stop after 25,000 LB points or will we be able to max this title out without using, what in my eyes is an exploit, (which is what A-Net nerfed for the LB title) to max this title out? (the exploit i am reffering to is letting the monks rez as you go and fight another group that will earn you SS points for those of you who were wondering).

Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer the few questions that i asked here.

Uh, before you ask those questions, why don't you actually read THIS thread?

Read page 6, there's a guy who already hit 26k several days ago.

lennymon · Nov 09, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

holy damage = elemental damage, simple... just not a lot of specific armor vs holy, obviously it doesnt ignore armor since there are different amounts of damage on different groups. margonites 100 holy = 100 damage, margonite bosses sometimes take less, menzies take less... proof enough that its not armor ignoring. I think what you are thinking of is the smite prayers enchant which changes you weapon damage to holy AND fixes your armor at 60 aka judges insight... then it IS essentially armor ignoring.