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David Lionmaster · Jul 23, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by kazjun

You don't. I'm just saying that there will likely be some general skills, that don't rely on classes. Like sunspear/kurz/lux have 10 skills each, but you can only use the skills from your class. But the LB skills don't rely on class. You don't have to be a warrior, a ele, para, whatever. They're not linked to class.

I forget which article it was in, but it was already stated that all 50 of the PvE only skills will not be class specific.

With that said, I cant wait to give my ranger those brass knuckles and start boxing my way through GWEN.

kazjun · Jul 23, 2007, 05:18 AM // 05:18

Yeah, they said that, but I'm not sure they'd put 50 unlinked skills in the game. Well, unless they're really lame. You saw when they first put the sunspear/kurz/lux skills in how people were concerned about people loading up with only those skills and how there should be some limitations. And they were limited with you only being able to take your class skills from the selections.

I don't think anet would put 50 skills in the game which are like the lb skills. LB gaze is awesome, and the signet is of specialised use. But with 50 skills, you could make a build out of it and not bother running profession skills. Don't think anet would want that. Though I suppose it would encourage faction grinding.

Yeah boxing will be cool. Though I don't think (and I don't think that you do either) that the boxing skills or minigame skills would be counted, since that'd be pretty lazy of anet. It'd be like counting the snowball arena skills or beetle racing skills, which they don't.

Seissor · Jul 23, 2007, 08:04 AM // 08:04

The skills are linked to titles, like dwarven, norn, asuran etc. Someones already text edited them and uncovered a few. They are far from lame.

GloryFox · Jul 23, 2007, 11:42 AM // 11:42

They PvE skills will be skills we can use during the game not just polymock skills or boxing skill to only be used during games.

Also some of these skills will reveal some spoilers (summon Mursaat anyone?) so I strongly doubt we will see them listed before the game comes out.

Also there are 4 known factions we can benefit and learn PvE skills from. There may be a 5th. The known factions are Asuran, Norn, Dwarf, and the Ebon Vanguard (Ascalons finest).

dsnesnintendo · Jul 23, 2007, 01:14 PM // 13:14

I really jhope Anet releases the skill names and functions b4 it comes out so
1. I can deside which im going to go for
2. so i dont waste time on skills useless to my class
3. cause anet is cool like that

Vlatro · Jul 23, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

There are many non-class specific skills I could imagine that would not unbalance the game. Skills like the lightbringer's aura effect could deal extra damage to a specific type of creature, without effecting others. Also limiting PvE only skills to effect only the caster/user of the skill and not targeting other teammates would effectively eliminate entire builds springing up around it (with exception of solo-farmers). Also they tend to balance energy/adrenalin costs and recharge times fairly well according to the skill's usefulness.

While I hope for more signets, I'd bet there will be fewer of those. They can also limit skill usage by disabling it and preventing forced recharge (like the Resurrection signet).

Skills can also have both positive and negative effects like "Attack 20% faster, move 33% slower while this enchantment is maintained". And let us not forget our old friend: Exhaustion.

The fact is, there are many options for the devs to keep the game balance in check. Remember, these skills are PvE only. The reason for that is simple: In PvE, you may find yourself in situations never faced by PvPers. You may be under attack from 30+ enemies at once. You may be split from your party and have to protect an NPC while inflicting damage on enemies. There are many unique scenarios that you would expect in a high-level PvE environment that simply don't apply to PvP, thus additional skills can allow them to deliver the advanced content without sacrificing the PvP game.

I expect skills to be more focused in this game, and require more "tactful" selection when setting your skill bar for a given mission. Let the generic builds die and force the advanced players to think their way through the game without spamming the same skills in every mission of the game. When I refer to generic builds, I'm talking about the lame necro who tries to play as an MM in every mission. The ele who only uses SF or MS and other fire skills and neglects their other attributes all togeather. By making these skills essential for success in various circumstances and forcing players in at least some situations to take 2 or 3 of them at a time, they might actually have to think about how they're setup.

Miral · Jul 23, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Seissor

The skills are linked to titles, like dwarven, norn, asuran etc. Someones already text edited them and uncovered a few. They are far from lame.

oh really? huh last I knew (like... 3 days ago) no one had any way to decode the files that contained stuff like skill names, the factions they belong to, and if they are usable by players or not.... only textures and sound...

FoxBat · Jul 23, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

We've had the names for a while (posted here), and they are conveniently put in order, not hard to figure out which faction most of them belong to.

Seissor · Jul 23, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00

^

See. We've known a fair bit about the skills now for a while, still lack official data, pics, 100% what they do etc. But there's a text list anyways.

street peddler · Jul 23, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=457890

Miral · Jul 23, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

ah yes ive seen that post. but there is nothing to indicate that any of the skills are usable or really belong to factions right? its just a generic background with the skill name. and it would seem its not completely accurate in any case, when comparing the profession skills to the official list, at last in warrior skills *shrug*

Razz Thom · Jul 24, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by Clord

Did it really gave you right for spam to this topic?

so you spam him and now i'm spamming off of you where will it end......................arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

on topic i think they will probably tell you once tey figure out what they are going to be. honestly it probably hurt them just getting the list out that they did.

David Lionmaster · Jul 24, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

They PvE skills will be skills we can use during the game not just polymock skills or boxing skill to only be used during games.

Also some of these skills will reveal some spoilers (summon Mursaat anyone?) so I strongly doubt we will see them listed before the game comes out.

Also there are 4 known factions we can benefit and learn PvE skills from. There may be a 5th. The known factions are Asuran, Norn, Dwarf, and the Ebon Vanguard (Ascalons finest).

Actually in one of the articles it says that after you complete all of killroy's boxing quests, you get a pair of brass knuckles and boxing skills to use wherever you want in pve.

Miral · Jul 24, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

Actually in one of the articles it says that after you complete all of killroy's boxing quests, you get a pair of brass knuckles and boxing skills to use wherever you want in pve.

I've not seen this one... have a link?

FoxBat · Jul 24, 2007, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Miral

ah yes ive seen that post. but there is nothing to indicate that any of the skills are usable or really belong to factions right?

Well let's put it this way, while some skills listed there might get left out, it's unlikely new ones will be added at this late a date.

Its obvious that some skills simply changed name too (critical diversity -> way of the warrior, since it lets you "diversify" into non-dagger weapons... heavy crush -> pulverising smash, since it combines heavy-weakness and crush-deep wound, etc.)

Miral · Jul 25, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

alright judging by the e3 jeff strain video I'd say its quite likely that all pve skills will have something to do with the dungeon crawl experience in some way.

Seissor · Jul 25, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

No, they all have something to do with the faction you got them from. But some of them will have better application in dungeons. I dont forsee the dwarven boxing skills as being key to questing in the dungeons.

if you google search "Guild Wars eye of the north + previews" you'll get a tonne of previews many with different tid bits of info here and there. It's too annoying to catalogue them all and keep them referrenced.

Narayanese · Jul 25, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

If you count the Asuran, Dwarven, Ebon Vanguard and Norn skills you get exactly 50.

Norn skills (17)
Totem of Man
Totem of the Owl
Totem of the Wolf
Totem of the Bear
Heart of the Norn
"I Am Unstoppable!"
"I am the Strongest!"
"You move like a Dwarf!"
"You Are All Weaklings!"
A Touch of Guile
"Dodge This!"
"Finish Him!"
Club of a Thousand Bears
Feel No Pain
Rebel Yell
Winds
Weakness Trap

Ebon Vanguard skills (5)
Ebon Escape
Sneak Attack
Ebon Battle Standard of Honor
Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom
Ebon Battle Standard of Courage

Asuran skills (10)
Secret Herbs and Spices
Signet of Infection
Deft Strike
Air of Superiority
Asuran Scan
Radiation Field
Smooth Criminal
Mindbender
Pain Inverter
Mental Block

Dwarven skills (18)
Stout-Hearted
Dwarven Stability
Black Powder Mine
Snow Storm
Breath of the Great Dwarf
Great Dwarf Armor
Great Dwarf Weapon
Drunken Master
By Ural's Hammer
"Don't Trip!"
A Brawling Headbutt
Low Blow
Nosyt's Bite
Light of Deldrimor
Alkar's Alchemical Acid
Marked For Death
Haunted Ground
Alkar's Concoction