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MSecorsky · Jul 24, 2007, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Caoimhe

MSecorsky, I've agreed with you on lots of different topics (sometimes silently... OK, most times silently) and I agree with you, in principle, on this one. But - and here's the heart of the issue - what's to prevent such behavior already? The marriage argument being the "gateway" to it seems a bit thin; the opportunist offenders will do it anyway, regardless of an in-game vehicle for "marriage."

I understand what you're saying about an innocent "marriage victim" in this circumstance. The person on the other side of such a "marriage" would clearly be embrassed/mortified/ashamed of his/her behavior, provided they are, indeed, not intending to violate any laws or are unaware of an age issue with their "spouse." I maintain that an effective toolset, in-place and properly used, begins to alleviate such concerns. Furthermore, (and judging from your posts, I have little doubt as to your parenting fitness (<-compliment)), all parents should be involved in their kids' net use, period. Part of raising kids today must involve lessons on net safety, including measures to prevent online sexual harassment/abuse.

If the tools were in place to prevent that 14yo from being accessible to such inappropriate behavior, and those tools were not being used by a responsible parent, where does part of the fault lie?

I'm not saying that an genuine offender is innocent by any stretch (I'd like nothing more than five minutes and no witnesses with such an individual), but the scenario you presented is already possible within the game itself. It should NOT be possible, in my opinion, for under-18 kids to be able to "get married" in-game, and all appropriate and reasonable measures to enforce that should be taken.

But, again, we are talking (in this case, anyway) about the laws of US states; I can't speak for other nations/areas, because I don't know their laws.

It's a tangled mess, I'll agree, but one that bears some reasoned discussion rather than outright rejection OR acceptance.

I suppose I should summarize... my basic point is that based upon what marriage tends to mean to most people this would open the door for mistakes to be made. In this world, these mistakes could have devastating results to the life of the person making the mistake. The stigma of being a predator, even if you're cleared, could very well stick for years.

The predator issue is also very real, yet separate... although predators could use "marriage" as a means to lure kids.

As for tools to help prevent things from happening... I'm not sure what they could do, but it should be done regardless.

Alicendre · Jul 24, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

I don't see why adults would say their location/name on a game either.

Would parents call the FBI because "Dorian The Warrior" told their daughter she was so sexy in her marriage dress ?

Miral · Jul 24, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Actually, you're wrong.

http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoff...g_online_games

If that's too vague... try Google...

Results 21 - 30 of about 1,260,000 for online games sexual predators.

actually, I'm not wrong. like I said, it has to do with the OPEN CHAT FEATURE, nothing to do with ingame rp marriages. there are only two ways to prevent it. 1) disable free chat. 2) require a credit card or other proof of age to join the game. again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the proposed features of rp marriage, and goes on quite rampant without any such feature. go to RA district 1 in game during peak times and you'll see the sexual harrassment run wild. and whatdyaknow, theres no marriage system. all a marriage system is is tools for the casual rp. wedding bands, a character name change, and a mock ceremony to have some fun and a party with friends.

acidic · Jul 25, 2007, 12:32 AM // 00:32

What next? TAXES?

Yes I can see it now... GET MARRIED and save on your taxes!

Miral · Jul 25, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by acidic

What next? TAXES?

Yes I can see it now... GET MARRIED and save on your taxes!

hm actually you could consider the ever degenerating alliance faction a tax o.O

Personette · Jul 25, 2007, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by Miral

three things....
1. it would be just RP marriages, no legal contract or anything involved.
2. cybersex happens with or without in-game marriages, the two have nothing to do with each other
3. the in-game marriage system and ideals of those most likely to use it have NOTHING to do with sex in any way. It is about having fun, roleplaying, having an identifier to link 2 characters, etc.

Sorry, honey, but the kind of marriage you're describing is called "entering the priesthood."

The person who suggested an /propose emote probably had the most inspired idea of the thread. It gives a nod to the whole idea, without opening a big can of worms or giving some sort of official thumbs up to potentially shady behavior. It's also hits just about the level of roleplaying that guildwars allows now.

Plus, what's up with all you people who say you get sexually harassed in game all the time? I'm a real girl and I play female characters and am almost never bothered.

Nights Death Dealer · Jul 25, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

*snip*

Child Molester persuades 11 year old boy he is a cute 12 year old girl.
He persuades this boy to divulge personal information by being nice, helping out with quests, cuddling in towns, and giving items.
Boy and molester meet, molester kidnaps boy.
Molester ends up raping, torturing, murdering the boy.
The story goes up over the news. Where did the two meet? In a marraige in Guild Wars, created by Arena Net, a subsidiary of NCSoft.
*snip*

and failure on the parents for not better supervising there child.

gw marriages take place anyhow...why bother with technology to have it happen again. more content elsewhere...or maybe a npc for perfect mods....dont waste an npc on marriages imo

sassoonssamson · Jul 25, 2007, 07:39 AM // 07:39

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Precisely. Beyond that even. There was that guy the other day recruiting boys "12 and under" for a guild that would include a real life meeting. Right, how often is a boy 12 and under a desired party member? You think this guy wants to know people his age? No, this is what's called a pedophile. You introduce marraige into this game, all of a sudden you have Marrisa Elkenfire (made up name, I assure you) posing as a 16 year old girl when in fact it's a 38 year old man with perverse intentions.

No no...romantic relations in GW opens the door to some of society's more despicable elements. For the sakes of literally thousands of people out there, I advise against this.

omg i had reported that guy last year also
he wanted 7 to 12 year old to join his guild and go on a private boat for some gw celebration

hope the pervert gets caught

sassoonssamson · Jul 25, 2007, 07:47 AM // 07:47

omg u guys have gone in too much legality ...

I was thinking more on the lighter side

1) like one guy mentioned Like a quest marry pirates daughter reaching there would be elite like the osbidian armon in FOW .Once u get married u get special stuff from the pirate

2) I was thinking of marrying my Male Warriror with Female Dervish
Then the couple characters could both quest together
Would be fun

3) If there is a molester he doesnt need marriage system he will try anyhow
like a few ones i reported trying to recruit underage boy in his guild and go for a private party.

4) Also why shouldnt there be one .The game addresses players on diff levels and each one likes a particular niche .So why not for people who like the wedding concept.There can be a lighter side which can be fun not just hacka nd slash

It can be a big quests from making dresses to bridal dresses ,

5) Brain storming is always good Junk ideas should come out ..But why just reject something juts for the sake of it

artay · Jul 25, 2007, 08:44 AM // 08:44

*covers ears* LALALALLALALALA

Alicendre · Jul 25, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

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Originally Posted by Nights Death Dealer

gw marriages take place anyhow...why bother with technology to have it happen again. more content elsewhere...or maybe a npc for perfect mods....dont waste an npc on marriages imo

But there are already useless NPC...
I mean, you can have a rare material trader at your guild hall. It's a lot less useful than a "marriage priest" or whatever it will be named, as you don't need materials in PvP and even Ascalon, Kamadan and the Monastery have one.

So of course it doesn't have to be the first thing Anet have to create, it's a bonus. A little fun between two battles, like events.

Matfei · Jul 25, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by pamelf

Did you just put the words marriage and erotic together? Lol. I'm pretty sure marriage immediately cancels out any kind of eroticism.

Yeah. Marriage = Enslavement for life.

Rainman · Jul 25, 2007, 12:37 PM // 12:37

rofl 2 wives xD