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Bryant Again · Aug 09, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Lamoidz

No seriously guys, Mass effect AND dragon age? Bioware Ftw.

I concur times twelve billion.

AND they're making an MMO, from what I hear. Brace yo' selves!

Bryant Again · Aug 09, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

But yeah, why is snow so POP in mmo's right now/???

I actually predict that factions or opposing sides are going to be the popular thing in games coming around.

Example: WoW introduced two new factions, Aldor and Scryer; Oblivion: The Shivering Isles had the house of Dementia and the house of Mania; and GW:EN's gonna be introducing more factions you can work for, not to mention the factions in Factions (lol).

Just my 2 cents.

Craywulf · Aug 09, 2007, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Ever notice how there are a bunch of movies released in same month or so that all have similar themes? These movie studios have spies or the friendlier term would be 'ex-employees' from other studios. So theres bound to be similar ideas whether they're deliberate or coincidence. Sometimes these ideas make rounds with the industry parties and business conventions. So some these ideas become trends and studios race to get their movies out first to get first dibs on being the first with its customers. In some cases movies come up with new ideas first but end up being released later than their competitors, and it happens all the time.

So the notion of two gaming companies like ArenaNet and Blizzard sharing themes and ideas is very normal thing when it comes to selling entertainment. There's bound to be ex-employees from both sides. Besides that the Gaming industry is huge, yet it has its own community with the game makers so they are bound to run into each other at Conventions and talk shop.

No crime has been committed here if they both are using the same ideas, its up to customer to determine which studio executed the shared ideas appealing to you. Will you like Blizzard's Northerland or ArenaNet's or How about the burning forest, which looks cooler and enhanced your experience. Did it help the game or hurt it?

The argument of who stole who's ideas is moot if both studios manages to make those ideas look like crap. Its all about executing the trends and striking a cord with its potential customers.

Looking at both videos I can say WoW has made some serious strides graphically and despite the shared themes and ideas I like the direction this expansion of WoW is going. However I'm a diehard GW'er and have too much invested in Guild Wars and I think I'll be very happy with Eye of the North.

DarkNecrid · Aug 09, 2007, 08:31 AM // 08:31

The only people who think Lich King looks exactly like EOTN are the dummies who dont realize there was a Warcraft RTS series that has detailed Northrend LONG AGO much before EOTN was every thought of.

But oh noez, THEY BOTH HAVE SNOWEY PLACES COPYCATS XDDD

Matfei · Aug 09, 2007, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Hey, finally a chance to post my tinfoilish expansion pack theory, that there will most likely be an expansion pack that introduces a snowy/wintery area. Let's make a list of games that've had a "snowy" expansion:

Diablo 2 - Lord of Destruction expansion
Starcraft - Brood War expansion
Warhammer 40k - Winter Assault expansion
Morrowind - Bloodmoon expansion
Neverwinter Nights - Shadows of Undretide
Fable: The Lost Chapters

ZOMG!

Northerend was created in Warcraft III, which came far before Guild Wars. Nice miss.

Aha, but Northrend isn't featured in GW, so both your points are moot.

matti90 · Aug 09, 2007, 12:59 PM // 12:59

This thread has to be closed before people become more stupid from reading it.

kradens · Aug 09, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

After much reading on the whole "gwen vs lich king" debate. i think i've come to the definitive answer about who's doing what, and are both games really simmilar (if at all).

firstly gwen: an expansion that gives our current characters NEW things to do, featurig NEW and exiting well designed areas (and this is just from screen shots), with new gameplay elements (dungeons and zelda-esque exploring), with NEW pvp legal balanced skills and NEW pve-skills to reward pve-ers. its all win win with gwen.

lich king on the other hand.

Blizzcon practically permeated the slogan "MORE MORE MORE!", (ie. armors, dungeons, items, and levels), yet the response im reading from the wow comminity is more like a tired "more...more...oh god no more!".

lich king is an expansion that makes all other content in the game obsolete, no recognition for anything u've previously done, all ur endgame items and ultra rare's become useless to what rat monsters will drop in the first area of the expansion.....the game feels like a major downer.

gwen on the other hand is doing things to make ur time in guild wars feel special and worth something, (via hall of monuments), its not making older parts of the game obsolete.

the major differance to me between gwen and lich_king is that anet understand that time spent = emotional investment, wheareas blizzard just keep pumping out more of the same content at higher levels, which creates a negative feeling for those who have really put in their time (and money) into the game to become "elite" - as every expansion puts them back to square one again.

Bryant Again · Aug 09, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Matfei

Aha, but Northrend isn't featured in GW, so both your points are moot.

...What? What points? The first part of that very old post is me having fun with my winter-expansion theory. The second part of my post, where Oreo says "BLIZZ STOLE FROM GW", was my telling about how Northerend had been in WoW lore for awhile, so no Blizz didn't steal from ANet.

=HT=Ingram · Aug 10, 2007, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Still if you take the audio track from the lich king expansion and over lay it with some gamep play video cuts of GW:EN. guess what? Its almost seemless...

Like "the Internet is really really great, for .... " fan videos... Can't wait for someone to do it. It would be so funny to see it done, cause I really love the last few lines in the lich king video... and lets face it, WoW looks and saw GW doing their first expansion and decided to one up them by releasing their 2nd expansion quicker then anticipated, so they would not be called the copy cats...

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In the end, all that awaits you is Death!
Only then, Will you understand.
You've been following in my footsteps all along.

So Come then you Heroes.
Come, In all your Power and Glory.
For in the final hour,
All must serve,
The ONE, TRUE, KING!!!

Sure sounds like Blizzard trying to taunt Arenanet to me. lol

pamelf · Aug 10, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

Who cares if they're similar? Most games are... People generally choose which games they want to play. My choice was based simply on the fact that I've always hated Warcraft graphics. Every thing's so damn chunky and square...

While they're similar, they are still completely different games that appeal to different people. That isn't going to change just because an expansion looks similar.

Mordakai · Aug 10, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

"Wrath of the Lich King"?!?

Sorry, but that title is lame. Hell, just call it "Northend."

How do WoW players abbreviate it anyway? WotLK? WoW:WLK?

Anyway, cool movie, I must admit. Death Knight sounds like a cool class. Too bad I neither have the time nor inclination to get into another MMORPG, nevermind one that costs money each month...

reverse_oreo · Aug 12, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Wow i havent checked this thread since i posted it. Anyways, all i was saying was that the two trailers looked the same. Most of you people who just wanted to bash me did not understand my post.

Bryant Again · Aug 12, 2007, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by reverse_oreo

Wow i havent checked this thread since i posted it. Anyways, all i was saying was that the two trailers looked the same. Most of you people who just wanted to bash me did not understand my post.

Really? Sounded like you were bashing WoW:

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Originally Posted by reverse_oreo

Anet was first blizzard, back off ;D

So I bashed back.

aeroclown · Aug 13, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

And this is why I think Guild Wars is an Amish video game. The players defend the game so vigorously that they are ignorant to everything else, and think that their culture (i.e. Guild Wars itself) is a gift from God himself.

Warcraft III was released in 2002. Guild Wars didn't even exist then.

You know its been ages since I have been here and everytime I come here I seem to find a reason to leave again but hey its not your fault, while we are on the subject of Guildwars existence.

http://www.arena.net/about.php

that handie dandie about page on arena nets website seems to indicate that the studio was formed in 2000, which means pre-development phases and organization of a concept acceptable for the creation of a studio occurred for quite a number of years prior to 2000, so if we really want to pick noses here it would seem like Guild Wars was in pre-development long before the release of Warcraft III. Not to detract from the fact that the lore or Blizzard Direction was't clear prior to then or that blizzard wasn't already in development of its next big release, but I assure you if the Studio was created in 2000 Guildwars was already deep into pre-development phases. Securing the funds to open a studio in the game and entertainment industry requires sizable backing, and to get that backing you need a fairly concrete concept, direction, and in many cases even proof of concept. Which can include include pre-draft works of concept art, Business and financial structure and all that other hub-bub that just goes with making a pipeline.

To be fair, I have been a part of both the Guildwars community and the Wow community, heck and various other ones, and at times they all have their ups and downs. Its just normal human tendencies really. The people that are happy don't say much at all and the people who are upset usually scream the loudest. That doesn't say much for one community or another it really is just that way everywhere. eh blah, this post could long nevermind ..... back to the world of the living......