Curse

Effendi Westland · Aug 16, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

I've been following this thread for a bit, and have a few things to say.

1. People who ping a different build then they actually intend to bring are griefers in my eyes.

2. If you join a 8 men group and have a half decent skillbar you will get accepted.

3. Don't join specific farming groups if you don't want to run the exact build requested.

4. SS is one of the most powerfull pve skills in the game, it is hard to make ANY skillbar on ANY profession that beats it.

5. The monks are upset because you do not run the bar they asked you, but I guess you know that as you fit point 1.

6. What is a Cow? I've been to fow/uw many times, but I fail to understand the reference.

7. Close thread please, it has become a troll/flame fest. But please tell me what a Cow is.....

EDIT after reading post that was posted while I typed this: Ahhh Smite Crawlers!!

populationcontrol · Aug 16, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26

first off you have to wield a sword nooblet, its a riposte requirement. second the idea is not to solo cows, its to be able to if monk dies. and yes your avatar is a big noob. i offered to personally show you how to do it but you refused instead attempting it with your noob self.

now to clear something up you dont cast ss when soloing cows you use blood spells (again read what i actually posted) and 1 deadly riposte and you must be smart enough to identify the retreat point before you begin. as for the fow build the one i actually like, its awesome and i seriously doubt anyone would be such a bad player as to be able to not know how to play it effectively (besides your avatar perhaps). im also willing to teach you how to play it if your not too busy trying out the exact same build yourself. and i insist by your own stadards and inability to quote you must find yourself inferior. good day to you too.

You can't see me · Aug 16, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

My error is this:

I forgot to mention that while kiting and attempting to solo graspings, he changed to a caster sword and offhand combo with 20/20 on the offhand, +30 health on the sword and a sundering and energy +5 mod. He switched the staff aftwerwards for a better bonus to try to give you even more benefit of the doubt.

And I did mention that the second time he tried, he did NOT use SS. You need to learn to read.

As for the experience of our necromancer, he is an r5 Gladiator, a legendary cartographer, indeed owns a set of FoW, an oracle of wisdom, and a rank 5 trasure hunter, and a legendary gaurdian on that character alone. He also has a few other titles that give him the "I'm very Important" title.

If I need a class on how to bring non effective builds into elite areas, I'll give you a call.

And since you obviously don't understand the whole standards thing, I'll make it plain and simple.

You're an idiot.

I give up. You just don't want to listen to sense, fact or logic. There's no arguing with people like you, and they certainly never admit to being wrong. You just say the same thing over and over and over even though it's proven not to be true.

Goodbye, and good riddence. If I ever see you in FoW, I'll be sure to give my group leader your build before he lets you in.

populationcontrol · Aug 16, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

well then i can do what your ultra ranked self / invented guildy cant. i can show you and educate you how to do it properly, the fact is i can show you how to do it, and do it in front of you your failure to grasp this is quite funny. monkis even add me cause i last longer than other people and can solo cows to res them, another fact. in any case we dont want your inferiority complex to get any worse, believe whatever helps you sleep at night.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 17, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

6. What is a Cow? I've been to fow/uw many times, but I fail to understand the reference.

7. Close thread please, it has become a troll/flame fest. But please tell me what a Cow is.....

EDIT after reading post that was posted while I typed this: Ahhh Smite Crawlers!!

Cows are bladed aataxes.

populationcontrol · Aug 17, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

look all i can say is this thread is so random and so biased i offered to duel / show you it is in fact is possible, my build rocks it rocks i know it rocks. you dont want or allow allow me to prove it hence im bored. educating people is tiring so i shall retire from this thread, with an undefeated awesome build that is too good for you. anyways sorry if i offended anyone it was never my intention, bye

karunpav · Aug 17, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

look all i can say is this thread is so random and so biased i offered to duel / show you it is in fact is possible, my build rocks it rocks i know it rocks. you dont want or allow allow me to prove it hence im bored. educating people is tiring so i shall retire from this thread, with an undefeated awesome build that is too good for you. anyways sorry if i offended anyone it was never my intention, bye

I think this sums up all the posts you have made on this thread. Your build isn't that good at all, as others have said, but you still seem to have a strange obsession with keeping it the same. Why not at least try to learn from others instead of keeping your God complex saying that your build is better than all others in all other situations?

Then you say that that you have an undefeated awesome build that's "too good for you", but the sentence after you say "sorry if i offended anyone". I can't help but feel that's an empty apology. This along with your other thread about the N/W RA survivor-necro thingy (is this the same build?) seriously makes people question your credibility as a player. Learn to take advice from others, please. Also, mainstream ideas aren't always bad. They became mainstream for a reason; they're probably good.

Elbereth_Tiniquetil · Aug 17, 2007, 03:55 AM // 03:55

As a monk who heals in FOW and UW I have some problems with the hypothetical example used by the OP

The biggest problem with allegedly calling one build and then taking a different build is that:

The group has setup with the assumption that each member’s skill bar will complement the entire group. The skills that the team are using require that each member use specific skills to allow for maximum damage to the enemy.

To change the build without informing the group is not doing the group justice. Please ping your intended skill bar; give then the change to adapt to the skills or give them the chance to request an alternative build. A different build is not the end of the world, I know that people don’t like to move from a comfort zone but if you are flexible the game will be more fun and less stressful.

I do agree with the OP on one point and that is that sometimes it is more fun to play a different style, but you need to ensure that the group agree with this or start your own group.

Also as a monk I do love when players take some self healing, this helps me if I ever run out of energy or if the aggro is lost and the aggro is drawn to us casters, hard to heal and run at the same time

Mickey · Aug 17, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by populationcontrol

first off you have to wield a sword nooblet, its a riposte requirement. second the idea is not to solo cows, its to be able to if monk dies. and yes your avatar is a big noob. i offered to personally show you how to do it but you refused instead attempting it with your noob self.

now to clear something up you dont cast ss when soloing cows you use blood spells (again read what i actually posted) and 1 deadly riposte and you must be smart enough to identify the retreat point before you begin. as for the fow build the one i actually like, its awesome and i seriously doubt anyone would be such a bad player as to be able to not know how to play it effectively (besides your avatar perhaps). im also willing to teach you how to play it if your not too busy trying out the exact same build yourself. and i insist by your own stadards and inability to quote you must find yourself inferior. good day to you too.

You need some serious meds.

Dr Strangelove · Aug 17, 2007, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by Elbereth_Tiniquetil

I do agree with the OP on one point and that is that sometimes it is more fun to play a different style, but you need to ensure that the group agree with this or start your own group.

Also as a monk I do love when players take some self healing, this helps me if I ever run out of energy or if the aggro is lost and the aggro is drawn to us casters, hard to heal and run at the same time

Oh, I absolutely agree. It's not fun for anyone to run the same cookie cutters over and over, that why everyone either has multiple characters or a whole pile of templates. Hell, I play a rit, I know what it is to play bizarre builds. Thing is, this thread isn't about that, it's about how the OP is the greatest thing since sliced bread and shouldn't have to listen or cooperate with a bunch of nooblets. That's a little bit harder to swallow, especially with the posted build.

Renegade26 · Aug 17, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Sry NoobControl, I went to sleep, somehting made me rather bored.

I will surely take out your build, and I will do it with my Assassin, and I will SS you dead after 5 seconds of being in range of you.

IGN: Renegade Submission

That is all.

zwei2stein · Aug 17, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

I am still waiting of OP soloing one aataxe with his build.

blue.rellik · Aug 17, 2007, 11:06 AM // 11:06

lul wut? He tries to solo a cow with a necro and a sword. Not even warriors would happily try that against a cow and this is coming from the class that don't die to them in two hits. How can a necro with MUCH lower armour and MUCH lower damage even consider it?

Elbereth Tiniquetil · Aug 17, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

I think we all agree that the example given by the OP is not the best for FOW and UW,
To save the topic

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but also for people to post unconventional builds they take to fow that work for them.

I think we should move away from personal attacks on him and focus on what I take as his original intent for the topic, which I take as providing a list of valid alternative builds for people to use in FOW or UW.

Elnai · Aug 17, 2007, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

first off you have to wield a sword nooblet, its a riposte requirement. second the idea is not to solo cows, its to be able to if monk dies. and yes your avatar is a big noob. i offered to personally show you how to do it but you refused instead attempting it with your noob self.

GJ being elitist

There are TONS of non-conventional builds that are great. Yours is not one of them. And if eles and necros, etc, brought self heals, they would be doing (in most cases) less damage. It really isn't that hard to heal in pve. Any decent monk can e-manage really easy with a decent build. Bringing self heals is pretty counter-productive in that situation.

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 02:20 AM // 02:20

and yet i was like the only person who posted one. the build i posted is potentially one of the best necro pvp builds you can play. i posted it in an effort to encourage other people to post theirs but i think maybe 1-2 people if any actually did. it seems most people dont even consider other options to what is already out there. and yes i can solo an cow with a necro and a sword. its random yes but my point is if thats doable anything should fly in fow. what do you care if other people try out NEW or ORIGINAL builds.

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by karunpav

I think this sums up all the posts you have made on this thread. Your build isn't that good at all, as others have said, but you still seem to have a strange obsession with keeping it the same. Why not at least try to learn from others instead of keeping your God complex saying that your build is better than all others in all other situations?

Then you say that that you have an undefeated awesome build that's "too good for you", but the sentence after you say "sorry if i offended anyone". I can't help but feel that's an empty apology. This along with your other thread about the N/W RA survivor-necro thingy (is this the same build?) seriously makes people question your credibility as a player. Learn to take advice from others, please. Also, mainstream ideas aren't always bad. They became mainstream for a reason; they're probably good.

i think if you read other peoples posts are far more offensive considering they havent tried out the build and the build they insist i use (the needed build) they did not invent but where told to use it at some point. i seriously doubt you all "came up with" the ss br build. the point also was have people post what they use that differs from that standard fow team not offend me or discuss my build. my build was obviosly not apreciated which is fine but dont pretend you can convince me into stop playing what works for me and what i enjoy, and yeah i didnt deliberately try to offend anyone. i truly mean it.

Kaida the Heartless · Aug 18, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

This build is not acceptable for a FoW team. You'd be kicked from my team in a heartbeat.

The "cookie cutter" builds are cookie cutters for a reason. They are tried and true. The combined experience of hundreds of thousands of other players created these builds. They are the best/most efficient builds for the task at hand.

Why would I take your build over an SS that can help to clear the FoW faster, leaving more time to do more runs? Why would I take your build when I know you are probably just another skilless PuG with a half-brewed idea, hellbent on disproving "cookie cutter" builds.

Any reasonable build can clear FoW now. It's not hard. It's clearing it quickly and efficiently that is most important. Time is valuable and irreplacable. I'm not going to waste two more hours of my time because you wanted to bring... this..

Mickey · Aug 18, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

i think if you read other peoples posts are far more offensive considering they havent tried out the build and the build they insist i use (the needed build) they did not invent but where told to use it at some point. i seriously doubt you all "came up with" the ss br build. the point also was have people post what they use that differs from that standard fow team not offend me or discuss my build. my build was obviosly not apreciated which is fine but dont pretend you can convince me into stop playing what works for me and what i enjoy, and yeah i didnt deliberately try to offend anyone. i truly mean it.

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You didn't try to DELIBERATELY offend anyone

dude, what are you on? I've read like 5 pages of flames, offensive comments, and elitist crap.

druggedchimp · Aug 18, 2007, 06:43 AM // 06:43

Please close this thread.

It's clear that nothing is being achieved by some overly-defensive kid throwing a tantrum.