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Renegade26 · Aug 10, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Your build sucks so you got kicked for using a bad build.

Res Ipsi · Aug 10, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Why not experiment when you're with a guild group, or a bunch of friends? If you're with a PuG, the less variation from the standard FoW build, the more chance of success. I don't like wasting my, or my teammate's time, so if they request I bring a specific build that compliments their own, I don't object. It is after all, a team.

upier · Aug 10, 2007, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

my build doesnt need healing in an 8 man party really as everything i do winds up healing me, but my point was if eles and necros for instance would heal themselves monks would have to do less healing, and therefore they would need less energy. yet i dont want to discuss my build but honestly see other builds used effectively in fow that stray from the conventional fow team.

I thought the point of this was that your build was good and that you shouldn't be kicked?

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

it seems every time i join a fow team i am greeted with a gestapo questioning where they insist you ping your build and if it varies from the average strategy (which im sure everyone knows by heart) you will be kicked and a random person will pm something like "noob" or worse.

I actually don't have a problem with people kicking other players because they don't like their builds. The only problem in getting kicked because of the build comes when the team sets NO build-requirement, then they ask you to ping it and then you get kicked - without a single explanation or a request what to bring. This of course isn't a request to babysit everyone by telling each party member what works best - but rather the contrary. After 2 years of FoW and UW - I know that MOST things work there - because the areas are forgiving. That is why even the less conventional builds will work there - BUT if the other party members wanted something specific they can request it and I'll see if I WANT and CAN play it (which mostly means if I have the skills they want).

(And yes - the posters here were right. Seriously - your build sucks. Big time. So yeah - if you joined MY team and refused to drop some of the most idiotic choices in it - I'd kick you. Nothing personal.)

Renegade26 · Aug 10, 2007, 08:44 PM // 20:44

When I do FoW (comm 1), I rarely meet any players who could interpret a build as bad or good, let alone kick you for it. Where are they because I just dont see them.

Also, FoW is meant to be an elite area; its not pre searing. You should expect good leaders to give you advice on your bars, and not stick with your limited knowledge when you can learn from others.

populationcontrol · Aug 10, 2007, 08:54 PM // 20:54

you know its obvious most people here got offended, zinka i did not mean to offend you for using ss/br(even though u said my build sucked more than a blackhole) and i dont want to discuss my build cause i posted a guide already, i posted it to encourage people with posting new rarely seen effective builds. so please stay on topic as this is turning into something else.
if ANYTHING WORKS as most of the outraged people have stated its funny that all fow builds are dead locked on a particular build often encouraging players to forget the creative freedom of strategy and trading it for an iron clad team with little if ever variations. i have nothing a against the current build or their skills(except perhaps no self heals in most non monks), i have some thing agaisnt beeing prejudiced against anything different, and the point of this build is to explore and post your different builds, not offend or anything, place your unconvetional builds.

zwei2stein · Aug 10, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

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the build i use (while pinging the wanted ss/br) is runing up to 630 hp get a +5 energy sword +3o hp

and take these skills

vamp gaze
vamp touch attributes 14 blood
blood of agressor 12 tactics
soul leech put remaining 3 in soul reap
riposte deadly riposte
heal signet
well of blood (much more team helpful than br)
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on one occasion a monk got so angry that i didnt die (after ceasing to heal me) she started to say that i was a back staber and when the team told her/him to chill she ran ahead of us and got forge quest guy killed, she had to pay 3 k to scroll guy and ruined it for everyone, though nerd rage can be funny i think people should start straying from that average build if anything to break the monotony.

Ok, i will tell rest of people here what you are doing:

In other to get into group, you lie. Lie about your build. Then you use what YOU personally want. Which is basically one of worst things you can do.

Not only you betray team (while being selfish in your enjoyment of game), you also bring bad name to honest people who run actually run effective yet unconventional builds.

Guess what? If you want to be all mighty creative person, dont do it at expense of ther people. Being selfish douche about it does not set anything right.

You either honestly joing group with your build or you dont.

Renegade26 · Aug 10, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

I run a Mesmer in FoW often, and I am definately not against unique builds. They just musten suck and be suicidial (healsig whilst using a Sword?).

populationcontrol · Aug 10, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

well she was angry because the unconventional was working, and in the end who back stabed the team, who ruined it for everybody? the monk did. what i want to play and what works for me should always trump what someone lese is used to or wants me to play. that is the purpose of my thread so people can openly describe unconventional strategies and builds used in mainly fow.

and seeing as your really, really fixated on my build.. why dont you try it before you judge it. might change your mind

Isileth · Aug 10, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

I think if you start the group and clearly say any builds are welcome then its fine, but when someone asks for a specific build and you join and show them that build then use a different one. Thats not someone I would ever want in my team. As they group leader they can ask you to run a specific build, if you dont want to you can leave. But there is no gain for anyone if you switch to a different build.

Renegade26 · Aug 10, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

No really, using Healing Signet because your on low health in FoW is stupid. AoE Fire spells will rip your tiny (and -40)armour apart. You will die.

Darkobra · Aug 10, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

As far as I know, this game is team-based. If you're not willing to work as a part of the team and lie to them, how are you any different from a backstabber? If you want a game where you get to play however you want and won't affect others, go play Fable or Elder Scrolls: Oblivion.

DarkGanni · Aug 10, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

well she was angry because the unconventional was working, and in the end who back stabed the team, who ruined it for everybody? the monk did. what i want to play and what works for me should always trump what someone lese is used to or wants me to play. that is the purpose of my thread so people can openly describe unconventional strategies and builds used in mainly fow.

and seeing as your really, really fixated on my build.. why dont you try it before you judge it. might change your mind

I know exactly what you mean, I run an HH Tanking build in FoW and guess what I get comments like This build isnt good or We need an obsi flesh tank or Lol Wammo and the such.

I hope players get off this sickness of using ONLY obsidian flesh tanks.

populationcontrol · Aug 10, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

how is using a build that works for me and not the standard backstabing, and getting the quest guys killed totally justified. i may lie to preserve my freedom in playing the game but many of the last post have been prejudiced and loaded with insults (fow mentality). this is what player will get pmed after they are kicked for not using whatever they "needed". maybe you exprienced this and adopted the "standard" as to avoid abuse, i found a way around it. and again the purpose of this thread is to post your unconventional yet effective builds please stay on topic, thanks

ps, i take mesmers but most teams will take 4 nukers with semi identical builds.

populationcontrol · Aug 10, 2007, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

I know exactly what you mean, I run an HH Tanking build in FoW and guess what I get comments like This build isnt good or We need an obsi flesh tank or Lol Wammo and the such.

I hope players get off this sickness of using ONLY obsidian flesh tanks.

for instance i encourage people to post the alternative strategies, please feel free to post what you would use

Darkobra · Aug 10, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

I take working builds on all my classes that I make myself, and not once do I get called on it. Reason: They work, I don't LIE about my builds to the rest of the team so they can adjust, (for example, when I run protection, I don't tell them I'm LoD healing just to get in a team, I'm not self conscious in the slightest) and I'll never lie to my team. It's team work. No, it doesn't justify the monk punishing the team just for your faults, but it would justify the monk to blame you for lying in the first place.

Isileth · Aug 10, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

i may lie to preserve my freedom in playing the game

In doing so however you ruin the game for others, these player obviousely wanted a specific build hence the reason they asked for it. If you dont want to use it you can either

A. Ask if they will let you use a different build
B. Be a good sport and use it
C. Leave

You should not lie and use a different one. It spoils the game for other players, you arent forced to team with them, if you want to use your own build start your own group or join with someone who will let you use whatever you want.

Your "freedom" in playing the game is not hindered by a group refusing to let you play with a build you want. However deliberately changing your build is a problem. You arent the only person playing, stop to think about the other players before you go and do this next time.

Darkobra · Aug 10, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Isileth

In doing so however you ruin the game for others, these player obviousely wanted a specific build hence the reason they asked for it. If you dont want to use it you can either

A. Ask if they will let you use a different build
B. Be a good sport and use it
C. Leave

You should not lie and use a different one. It spoils the game for other players, you arent forced to team with them, if you want to use your own build start your own group or join with someone who will let you use whatever you want.

Your "freedom" in playing the game is not hindered by a group refusing to let you play with a build you want. However deliberately changing your build is a problem. You arent the only person playing, stop to think about the other players before you go and do this next time.

That's exactly my point. You have no reason to justify lying to your own team. If you don't like their rules, leave. It's what any one else would do. You have the freedom to leave that team and you have the freedom to start a new one. There's really nothing you can say to change that. And as far as I'm concerned, if you didn't want this involved in your topic, you wouldn't have included it in your initial post.

zwei2stein · Aug 10, 2007, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

how is using a build that works for me and not the standard backstabing, and getting the quest guys killed totally justified. i may lie to preserve my freedom in playing the game but many of the last post have been prejudiced and loaded with insults (fow mentality). this is what player will get pmed after they are kicked for not using whatever they "needed". maybe you exprienced this and adopted the "standard" as to avoid abuse, i found a way around it. and again the purpose of this thread is to post your unconventional yet effective builds please stay on topic, thanks

Sorry, but one overreacting guy does not make what you do right. Thou, party should have agreed with him in thins thing. You just dont lie to people.

In order to get rid of (imaginary) abuse you isntead put 7 other players in jeopardy. It is not really nice to play someone about whom you know that he lied to get you your group and puts his own enjoyment over sever other people.

Right way around it is stop being baby about joining fow pugs and form groups with likeminded people.

Really, if you think about them as enemies who you have to outsmart (sad actually) to get to group, you are really, really bad player, and propably even bad person.

I think that at this moment, lots of people are interested in you IGN. But for now, it is propalby safest to keep eye on and see if your necro switches to /W. There is awlays plenty time to stop counter and kick that person.

EinherjarMx · Aug 10, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

the thing is that as a team member they expect you to do some team stuff, besides the ocational well of blood, as you said, your build has survability, but you're not going solo; you can bring some self healing to take off some weight from the monk's shoulders, but with your build you're doing more for yourself than for your team mates

i agree that there are narrowminded people out there, but don't expect full freedom if you're doing team work

Pae · Aug 10, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

eh, you can't force your opinion on anyone. I also don't really see the need to blame only the monks for it, since I've seen it from anyone who's active in All. The "cookie cutter" builds are more accepted, since people are more used to them. If you really want to make a change, just make slight adjustments to those cookie cutter builds, and you might see the variation start spreading around. Not all of the cookie cutter builds require you to fill all 8 slots either, so it does provide you with some flex room.

You could always try starting a group of your own and explaining how your build works to them. If they don't like it, they can leave. If you want to join another group, then you shouldn't try to force your build on them either. Or, if you can't find one, go with heroes and guildmates.