Curse

DergeDraconis · Aug 27, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by Friar Khan

It's not like you NEED any of the new armor, you aren't missing out on any performance bonuses by not having it. Plus you might feel some satisfaction from the fact that you had to accomplish something in-game in order to get that shiny new armor.

Quoted for Truth.

Everyone wants to be maxed out in 15min without working for it. Do you think Anet wants you to play the game for a day, be totally maxed out, and bored with their game? Is that what you want? If you people spent as much time playing as you did complaining, you would have a max title or two.

Tranquilis · Aug 27, 2007, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by DarkRaptorX

I have 10k norn points just from playing normally through the preview quests. I think it's fine.

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Originally Posted by Kinn

Personally, I'm buying GW:EN so I can play the new quest/mission content and explore all the new areas. I couldn't give a toss about the latest vanity armour set.

QFT.

Vanity armor? I have none, even though I've been playing for very nearly two years now. What I want is new challenges, and now I have some. And some nifty new scenery, too. 10K Norn points have already happened, and without hardly trying... The next 10K will be a *little* bit slower, as I've used up a bunch of quests, but this is no big deal - I doubt I'll max the Norn (or other) title tracks, but rank 5 or 6 will come soon enough, and without undue effort.

Blackhearted · Aug 27, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

Yeah it does, cuz I play intelligently, get it?

Lawl. You're talking about doing things intelligently yet you can't even spell small words like "cause" properly. Way to shoot yourself in the foot mister "intelligent".

Anyway back on topic: As it stands now the threshold to get armor is quite too high. Now, i'm not saying remove the stipulation completely. But dropping it to a more reasonable level would be nice. That way people can still get the armor without totally boring themselves to death and people who like mindless grinds can still have that too.

Ravi · Aug 27, 2007, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Playing game intelienlty and exhausting content without repeating it nets you 15k. Then what?.

it's funny when people think they Played the WHOLE norn story arc, *knock knock* doomsayers IT'S A PREVIEW , what makes u all think those were all the norn quests? what makes you all think there wont be HM and higher bounties?

this goes to show that some people simply want everything WAAAAAY too easy, lemme repeat myself kurz/luxon title THAT is a grind, these titles are reasonable, and make these armor set more of an achievement than another aquisition for some people who ebay.

it's weird, 1st everything was easily found and simply bought, then people say armors were no longer an achievement and that the game has nothing left for them, then anet listens to them and changes things a bit, and viola! yet another whine thread about how anet "screwed" up again, haha seriously sometimes guru amazes me.

i wonder what would happen if i went to any other mmorpg and ask for gear quicker, u know, cuz since "this is a service i pay for, i should get it at the pace i want to get it not at the pace the game allow you to" , wow haha great rofl.

Derrick the Nomad · Aug 27, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

I'm thinking about the whole title thing... and I really wish titles were just account based. Then I wouldn't mind getting a high rank title to get armor etc.

I just don't want to have to do it multiple times across all the characters I like to play.

Squishy ftw · Aug 27, 2007, 02:32 PM // 14:32

I like the titles

There's nothing wrong with having to put some effort in the game before you get something whit which you can show off imo

+ It's not like the titles are hard to get. I just played (no title farming) for this weekend and already ended up with 20k norn pots..cmon..that's already 1/3th or so of what you need for the armor

Tranquilis · Aug 27, 2007, 02:33 PM // 14:33

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Originally Posted by Derrick the Nomad

I just don't want to have to do it multiple times across all the characters I like to play.

You could try doing it my way - I have one character for collecting titles only - my primary character, as it turns out.

The other characters are all for more specific purposes (like my PvP Monk & Necro), or for general play when I feel like a change or pace, when my guild needs a specific class of char to round out a group, or when I feel the need to farm some cash. Two years now, nearly, and only one character has completed all the missions in *any* campaign, and that one has *all* the campaigns completed.

Ravi · Aug 27, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Tranquilis

You could try doing it my way - I have one character for collecting titles only - my primary character, as it turns out.

The other characters are all for more specific purposes (like my PvP Monk & Necro), or for general play when I feel like a change or pace, when my guild needs a specific class of char to round out a group, or when I feel the need to farm some cash. Two years now, nearly, and only one character has completed all the missions in *any* campaign, and that one has *all* the campaigns completed.

nnoooooouuuu, u dont underztand, i wan it account based!

i HHAAAVVEEEE to get it faster, fasterrrrrr i say, u know....cuz...i payed for this service? rofl

Solas · Aug 27, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

ok, we palyed a preview, right

if it was compared to nf preview its basically the same to gettign to the docks, very little played so far.

i palyed for 1 day,sunday, i got 6k norn and aroufn 5k dwarf rep.

do you only see yourself doign a dungeon once then going away?
also that was a the beginner area of NORMAL MODE.

maybe HM will have greater bounty and later ingame will give more points per skill.

WAit for the finished game to come out before you go on about that title

dio.oib · Aug 27, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Talach_Ninneed

also that was a the beginner area of NORMAL MODE.

maybe HM will have greater bounty and later ingame will give more points per skill.

Very true, and remeber...they want us to stay here untill 2010'ish till GW2 comes out, so they want something that will last, and not get maxed out by 6 weeks of play.

zwei2stein · Aug 27, 2007, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

1. I'm pretty sure if I can get Slayer of Wurms with no grind in three friggin days, you won't have to worry about me not having enough points for armor a week from now lol.

You yourself said you were doing nonbear runs, any other "non grind" you wanna share?

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

2. It's a sneak peek, lasted 3 days. Of course there's going to be a limited amount of areas to explore. So here's the decision making process: Do I go back to Proph/Facts/NF and do what I've been doing or do I take the chance to explore every nook and cranny of this NEW area I'm allowed to in this limited time frame? I chose the latter and in doing so, got a nice little grind free title.

Then do exploring you love and stop caring about that title or some armors, no?

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

Um, not really. It was a helpful suggestion. If you want to see the armor without having to work the rank needed to get it, either I or Wiki (or some other nice person) will show it to you.

Who wanted just to *see* armor?

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

you speaking for everyone now?

How? I am speking for people who dont give damn about title and just want armor.

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

Yeah it does, cuz I play intelligently, get it?

Yes, we will be much smarter if we grinded nonbear quest.

And it is really *smart* to enjoy walhugging, isnt it?

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

use that 15k to get a Woad.

How exactly?

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

Cool, then there's no reason to worry about the armor then. You are obviously done with the sneak peek once you reach that point. You don't care about the titles (as you said, people who care about the armor don't give a shit about titles), and you don't want to go and explore again. Simple solution there guy.

WTF?

What solution exactly?

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

I'll just leave it at this. You guys are right, it's so unfair that you have to play this game to get a title in order to get that shiny re-skinned armor to replace your old max (and probably ascended) armor. It's really just unfortunate that they've allowed for very little instant gratification in this expansion they are making you buy. I mean, who cares if this is the last major content update to the game before GW2? It's just not fair at all. You poor things.

After all, who plays game for fun, right. There is nothing better than to login and say, hmm, for hour i will do exactly sam thing i did yesterday and will do tomorrow. With this i will have access to armors in few weeks.

That is such a great way have good time.

Besides, check your definitions, instant gratification is way different that thing you wanna label it with it, with all negative continations and implied negativnenes about people wanting it.

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There are only two fair arguments:

a) it will be way easier with full game. Well, nothing really points to that. We have norn finished storyline and seen all areas. There may be quests in two outposts that are sealed off, but expecting that they will net 40k points is kinda folish.

b) it is made for reason - to keep people enternatined till 20XX. But that is more like, to burn out people, after all, when you did all the interesting stuff, why go on with boring stuff? Its not like anet needs people online to pay monthly fees.

Hyper.nl · Aug 27, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

I like the titles, or at least the Norn hunting one. The others I haven't given much attention yet. Maybe they could be account based, but I don't really care since I only have one lvl20 character.

Zallya · Aug 27, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

If you want something in any game, you will have to perform the preset steps set by the developers to obtain it.

This norn armour is purely vanity, so it's something you have to really want to put the effort into getting it. If you want something enough, you'll put the effort in that is required.

Also, since some people evidently already have the Armour, lowering any requirements for it, or changing any of them will instantly discredit the effort that has been put in by these people already, so it won't happen.

I would like to point one more thing out - the books that we were unable to recieve during the preview. From what the NPC's said, written evidence counts for alot. Whatever that means, I would expect it to provide a good amount of reputation points.

In any case, if you want the armour, put in the same effort that other people have. I'm not saying stay up for 3 days grinding points, how you distribute the gathering time is besides the point. And really, compared to other titles that grant benefits, this one has to be the easiest to obtain by far. You don't even have to reach Slayer of Heroes to start seeing the benefits, as well.

trobinson97 · Aug 27, 2007, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Blackhearted

Lawl. You're talking about doing things intelligently yet you can't even spell small words like "cause" properly. Way to shoot yourself in the foot mister "intelligent".

Irony. That was the best you could do? Really? The fact that I used the shortened slang of because (See, if you were intelligent, you'd know that was what "cuz' was short for, not cause. If you are going to nitpick at the slang, please learn the difference between transitive verbs and nouns beforehand) was reason enough for you to think I can't spell cause, a word that it wasn't even representative of? Good one.

Lawl isn't how you spell Lol either btw (<---short for "By the way", smart guy).

IRT (<---short for "In response to" for all the substitute teachers out there) zwei2stein: Try harder. I like the fact that you put a lot of effort into quoting all my posts in this thread but your responses are a little underwhelming so I won't return the favor. I'll give you one (EDIT: 2) thing(s) though, you're about when I said "no grind". It should have read "little to no" grind as I said beforehand I did not do "much grinding" which I didn't.

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

WTF?

What solution exactly?

Yeah see this is what I meant. It seems simple but man, you have to explain everything. You're tired of the content provided during the preview event? You don't want to do the areas anymore? You feel like it would be too much of a grind? I don't see how the solution escapes you at this point. Turn_off_the game. Do something better with your time. Simple eh? So simple a zwei2stein could do it.

Tranquilis · Aug 27, 2007, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Ravi

nnoooooouuuu, u dont underztand, i wan it account based!

i HHAAAVVEEEE to get it faster, fasterrrrrr i say, u know....cuz...i payed for this service? rofl

*snerk*

Indeed.

zwei2stein · Aug 27, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

Yeah see this is what I meant. It seems simple but man, you have to explain everything. You're tired of the content provided during the preview event? You don't want to do the areas anymore? You feel like it would be too much of a grind? I don't see how the solution escapes you at this point. Turn_off_the game. Do something better with your time. Simple eh? So simple a zwei2stein could do it.

a) Didnt say anywhere i am tired of content, or that i dont like it for that matter. There is quite a difference between grinding and consuming content.

If anything there is little content and when you are done with it you are just 1/3rd progress ot armors.

b) Armor is obtained how exactly by ignoring it? Your solution is to forget it, which is not solution at all. Especially for people like starter of this thread.

Besides, you have also yet to explain how is one supposed to get woad with 15k points in title.

Friar Khan · Aug 27, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

I think continuing to argue about this is pretty futile. Pretty much everything has be pointed out already and yet both camps seem to have a decent fraction of popular support and both camps are very adamant in their opinion.

There's a few points I'd like to reiterate to highlight those points and summarize my belief that things are fine as is:

1. This was only a preview.
1.a. Maybe the remaining few norn towns will have quests with rewards significantly larger than others.
1.b. Maybe the hero notebooks will ease your woes.

2. There is sure to be greater challenge and greater rewards offered in Hard Mode. I'm not insanely gifted at GW, but I still find GWEN to be so easy that it practically compells me to play HM just so I can feel that I truly beat the game. Personally I enjoy a challenge and if HM forces me to play a different type of build or just play more actively/skillfully then that keeps me happy.

3. Dungeons are very enjoyable and replayable in my opinion. It seems like a waste to check them out once and then discard them considering that playing them will get me closer to a title I may care about. Heaven forbid I might even decide to replay something to enjoy the company of a guildie, friend, or even meet some new friends.

4. We're talking about elite vanity armor for an expansion. I would completely agree with the opposition if not for the fact that they've already had the opportunity to get 3 campaigns worth of max non-elite and elite armor. That's like 27 sets of armor. If you only have 1 campaign then there's still enough armor to fill your bags up. Personally I really love GW armor skins and I appreciate my existing armor so much I have to wonder if I'm going to even want any GWEN armor regardless of how much or little grinding/gold is required.

5. Sometimes you just can't please everybody all the time. People who want armors with less effort don't see that other people will be upset that they completed the game and unlocked every armor with what they consider to be too little effort. I empathize with the people who feel like the grinding requirement is going to be excessive, but judging from this thread it doesn't seem like the opposition severely outnumbers the people who prefer to keep the system as it is.

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Originally Posted by Ravi

it's weird, 1st everything was easily found and simply bought, then people say armors were no longer an achievement and that the game has nothing left for them, then anet listens to them and changes things a bit, and viola! yet another whine thread about how anet "screwed" up again, haha seriously sometimes guru amazes me.

i wonder what would happen if i went to any other mmorpg and ask for gear quicker, u know, cuz since "this is a service i pay for, i should get it at the pace i want to get it not at the pace the game allow you to" , wow haha great rofl.

yeah, what he said.

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In response to a post directed at me:

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Originally Posted by Friar Khan

That's a decent point. Yes, you do have to kill monsters repeatedly, but...

Why aren't you complaining about Vabbian armor? Vabbian armor costs 16 rubies and 16 saphires in gems. Playing all the quests gets you about 4 gems. That means you need to put a lot of work in to farm your way to 28 gems unless you already farmed enough gold before nightfall was released. The only real difference is that you can't buy Norn rank off ebay as conveniently as you could for gold.

Simple: In the case of other prestige armor, you can buy it if you have the money. Meaning you can choose to do things such as play through other parts of the game, sell drops, and do other quests then come back for the armor. I should know, I bought vabbian for my ele, and FoW as well as 4 other 15k sets for my ranger by simply playing through the game(s) with multiple characters. That way it's fun and there's always something different to see. In this case we're forced to farm the same area again and again, see the difference?

Your experience is completely opposite from mine. I never had enough money to buy anything other than the least expensive armor for my characters unless I farmed something like an icy dragon sword or a new green for more cash. I'm not calling you a liar, but it's very hard to believe that you had enough money for FoW armor just from playing through the game once per character. Granted I'm not the sort of player that cares to complete every mission and quest with each of his 6 characters. But I think if you aquired FoW armor from no grinding then I should say congrats for getting a few high-end golds without farming for them.

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Like I said in the beginning, it seems pretty futile to argue about this more, especially until we know more about the full release. I don't want to take the time to read through this thread any more so I ask that if anybody quotes me to debate anything I've said, please send a PM to let me know and tell me the post number so I can reply without having to sift through pages of the same stuff being said again and again (lol reading this thread is like a grind that doesn't even yield armor

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Lord Feathers · Aug 27, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

The complaint about " GRIND " to acheive the title tracks is completely unfounded in my opinion and is within reach of any casual gamer ! YES .... you'll have to actually play your character and do some quests to EARN it but it is far from unfair. These compliants only seem like whinning from those that want " INSTANT " gratification. I have casual gamers within my own guild and even those that had thought the title tracks would be a grind have since changed their minds. Once they started playing, exploring, and questing the points started pouring in. ARMOR and WEAPONS should be given to those that are champions of that race and by playing and questing your character is doing just that. There is a site that does give instant gratification though and it's called

EBAY !!!

TechnoSword · Aug 27, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I think after some experience with the getting my norn Slayer of Heros title, that this was what Anet wanted Sunspear/Lightbringer farming to be. I mean nightfall came out and of course there were little bugs every where and now people have a set run out in desolation to repeat over and over. But with the norn I found to get the most points was to Vanquish an entire area. Instead of just repeating a small step over and over again you take out the whole map and you gain more points the longer you are there. Then yet again there are quests like nornbear which people did repeat but I liked the vanquishing one better =D.

Safer Saviour · Aug 27, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

At first, I hated the idea of having to fight so many things to get a look at the armour but as the weekend went on, I got more and more points, I'm a Slayer of Wurms now and I actually enjoyed clearing the GWEN maps. I never really bothered with Lightbringer or Sunspear because the rewards they gave just didn't seem worth the grind, I'm not interested in Torment weapons and I'm not bothered about maxing titles either but armour, yeah, I want that so I'm willing to put in the effort.