Curse

acidic · Sep 03, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

1 don't tell me what not to type ok kid, try and grow up a little.

2 If you had a tiny bit of reading comprehension You could understand I was replying to the other posters comment about How GW2 looks grim if EoTN had crappy armor. I merely said EoTN is more slapped together and all their good resources are on 2, thats no an excuse for EoTN, its saying that It doesn't mean GW2 will be crappy.

Try and read before you try and talk crap again, all you accomplished is making yorself look bad.

I would cared if someone had something useful to say, but you nah

Exoudeous · Sep 03, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by acidic

I would cared if someone had something useful to say, but you nah

and that has anything to do with my response how? Seriously, you flamed me because you didn't read what I said properly, and now you are trying to play it off as if I'm the stupid one. Whats your problem?

Atom · Sep 03, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

The quests in GW:EN, the story, the dialogue and even the characters are much higher quality then they have been in any of the other games. In my opinion, they've put a lot more effort into this game than they ever have before. They are clearly busy with GW2, and have taken a few shortcuts by using reskins and what naught, but I fail to see how that decreases the value of the game. If you don't like the new armour, then don't buy it. I remember the same kind of complaints being thrown at Nightfall back when that came out.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but the only thing that really bothers me about the game, is the same lame arguments being used against it. "wah, wah, it's too short, the armour is reskins, blah, blah, blah". Can we just have a single thread dedicated to this garbage so the rest of us don't have to read it in every single topic?

HA!
You use the argument "So what if you don't like the reskins, you dont have to buy it. Then at the end you say "can we just have a single thread dedicated to this garbage so the rest of us don't have to read it...". WELL! You don't have to read the topic now do you?

Listen, if people want to criticize the game, even if it's negative, they have every right to, they paid for it. If you like it, make a thread saying all the things you like so much about it.

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

I personally quite like most of the new armour sets, even although they're reskins, they're mostly pretty cool. Once again, I chalk most of these arguments down to the vocal minority. Yes, there's always a lot of people whining about everything, but that doesn't mean everyone feels the same way.

I also have to laugh at people calling this game short.. Just how much have you been playing over the past few days? How many side quests, dungeons and mini games have you been doing, or how about just plain exploring? If you've missed half the game, you have no right to call it short, go back and do it properly. Similary, a game like Morrowind or Oblivion can also be completed in a very short amount of time, less than an hour if you know what you're doing, but that in no way makes them short games.

When people are saying this game is short, they are talking about the main story quests. It can be done in like 8 to 12 hours. It's obviously far shorter than any of the other 3 campaigns. Granted this is just an expansion and not a Whole new compaign, but I would have paid the extra $10 if it meant a longer story, better armor, and less grind.

Also, you must not have ever played MW or OB. There is no way you can finish the main story in either game in LESS than an hour (let alone the full game). That's the most non-sensical thing I've heard all day. I dont even know why you're comparing a single player RPG to an MMORPG.

MitchellFoW · Sep 03, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Well atleast for GW2 they have two years to develop besides there giving Norn,Asura,and Charr as playable characters now i think it should liven up the view

lyra_song · Sep 03, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

and that has anything to do with my response how? Seriously, you flamed me because you didn't read what I said properly, and now you are trying to play it off as if I'm the stupid one. Whats your problem?

Hes just grasping at straws cause he can't make face. Not worth continuing to try to argue with people like that.

Heres a questions Anet needs to answer that actually has a point!

Theres 4 armor sets. Norn, Vanguard (Monument), Asura and Dwarven.
Theres 10 professions.
4 sets x 10 professions = 40.
Right?
Now where the hell does the Silver Eagle fit in?

Why is there a "extra set"?
Are there 9 more armors missing in this extra set?
Or are warriors destined to have 1 more armor set extra?

The Herbalizer · Sep 03, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Fr_3_aK

Nah she'll be right, it'l be a rip off of WOW so we get all the cool stuff from there...

I wouldnt complain if it was a rip off of WoW.

Abedeus · Sep 03, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42

And same for me - Sure, textures are nice, but COME ON! I know it's an expansion, but that doesn't mean we grind r5 and pay 10k+materials for a thing we can get WITHOUT grinding and, the most important, WITHOUT BUYING GWEN.
And yes, Im waiting for Gaile to tell, why they just reskinned armors. Even, if players discovered them loooong before pre-order weekend.

IlikeGW · Sep 03, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by kalebmordannon

I'm so ready for Gaile to come on here and pwn everyone.

Gaile has already been arguing that it's *only* an expansion so everything in it has a free pass at sucking or being limited. GOGO PR person.

Just post your thoughts and let the devs read them, don't worry about the fan boys or Gaile. The devs do read this and with tons of threads about armor I think they get the point people are bummed.

The Great Al · Sep 03, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

For some classes it's not too bad. I mean warriors already have a lot of sets of cool armor. I've played basically solely and Ele for two years, and even the FoW armor looks terrible! To this day, the only good armor is the male 15k aeromancer from Marhan's Grotto. I may get the reskin of that; its the only new one that looks different. But at least for some of the classes, the reskins are reskins of already cool looking armor.

Peter Panic · Sep 03, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Tijger

15K Glads is a reskin of 1K Glads

rofl at that. 15k glads looks nothing like 1k glads.

OP, i am pretty mad about the armor. some of the reskins look decent (15k lux reskin for necros ftw), but others are just terrible. look at warrior asuran. when i saw it, i thought someone had dyes their 15k kurz red and posted it on wiki. and then theres other things that bother me, like warrior monumental armor. its a reskin of a bunch of armor peices that dont match. go on wiki and look at all of the armor from a distance, u can see the armor they made it from. im ok with a couple reskins, but at least make them LOOK original.

iridescentfyre · Sep 03, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by kalebmordannon

I'm so ready for Gaile to come on here and pwn everyone.

Personally I'm a loss as to what Gaile is going to have to say. Its not Anet's fault you guys don't like the armor sets, and don't say OMG RESKIN because that isn't the issue. I've seen tons of sets that are obviously reskinned sets and I still like a lot of them. If you could stop being so hung up on the geometry under it maybe you could too.

Most of these arguments against EotN armor seems to be based on nothing more than personal preference and opinion, not fact. I can't imagine Gaile will have much to say except: "Uh, sorry you don't like it?"

Bryant Again · Sep 03, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

To this day, the only good armor is the male 15k aeromancer from Marhan's Grotto.

Ever notice it's a reskin of Krytan?

Mirage Llewyn · Sep 03, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Alright. Let's go through this simply. First of all, the Northlands, as I will refer to them as, is not a new continent. The culture of the people may be different, but they are still in the regions of Tyria, and Geography shows as that the geographic region where people live affects alot of the things in their daily lives. Therefore, it's basically other sets of armor, other culture mixing in from the humans arrival in the North, to the Asuran Culture, and not so much the Norn. As for the Ebon Vanguard, I expect many of them to have travelled to Cantha and Elona sometime in their life, I mean, look at Mhenlo, an Ascalonian who grew up in Cantha. And using the fact that they fled to the North after the Searing won't work. They are old enough that people like Langmar and the others could have easily visited. Maybe they didn't go to the North immediately. Therefore, they took the superb armor designs of their culture and others, and adapted them to suit their needs and give a unique style to another culture's armor. The Norn armor is the exception because all of it is pretty unique, especially the Ritualist armor. As for the heroes having better armor then us, all the Xandras and Kahmus all have the same exact body, therefore it is easy to mould armor for them. For human players, there are so many factors that you have to make it so the armor can fit perfectly on all the different bodies our characters have.

Shadowfox1125 · Sep 03, 2007, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Peter Panic

rofl at that. 15k glads looks nothing like 1k glads.

This is where you're wrong. Please, go to wiki and compare the two of them. I'm extremely shocked at the response to the GW:EN armors. People, please look at the armor from Prophecies. I'll take warriors as an example. Dragon is a reskin of Wyvern. 15k Templar -> Templar. 15k Glads -> Glads. 15k Charr Hide (I hate this new name) -> Charr Hide.
Look at Warrior Vabbian. Wow, I wonder what armor that reminds me of? Maybe Glads? Does anyone else think Ancient looks like Tyrian?

Reskins have always been in GW. I don't know why people all of a sudden care about the reskins. Complainers keep saying, "Oh, I might not buy GW2 now because of GW:EN. Anet let me down." Well, you know what? The complaining portion of the GW community has let me down.

And I don't mind if GW2 is going to be a "rip-off" of WoW. At least it'll be f2p

Atom · Sep 03, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Thats not an argument, reskins always existed, 15K Glads is a reskin of 1K Glads, etc.

What are you talking about? 15k glads is a very different model/mesh than 1k glads.

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Uh, so was some of the hero armor in NF, Zhed in full Torment armor looks better then any Ele I've ever seen.

He never said it wasn't in NF. We know it was in NF, but at least in NF we got some nice armors too, at least more than we have in EotN. I know it's subjective, but from lookin at guru and other forums it seems the majority does not like the ammount of reskins we were given.

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Then that gamer can ask around or maybe look on Wiki, weird how people always found out these things before without 'We need ANSWERS'.

You completely missed the point there. I'm not even really sure what to make of your response here. The point the OP was trying make was that, since such good looking hero armor is so easy to get (being a consistant chest drop, not random) it'll make some people wonder why they have to grind for sub-par armor (next to the very nice models for the hero armor).

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Originally Posted by Tijger

Dont know the exact reason, might be an anti-Ebay feature, might be the devs simply wanted people to work to be able to get at the armor, in previous Chapters 15K armor was not always easily obtainable (varied per chapter) either.

That's true. In previous chapters it wasn't easy to get elite armors. You actually had to play the story to get to where it was, or fight your way to the outpost. To me, that is much more fun then repetitive grind. I think it's crazy that it'll take less time to beat the main story than to get the new armor. I dont care if it takes time to get armor, it should take some time, it's more rewarding that way. It's how theyre forcing us to spend our time that makes me frustrated and upset. I don't like repetitive game play where I just go kill things for hours and hours. It gets very boring after the first hour for me. I'd much rather being doing missions and quests, workin my way farther into the game to get that end game armor.

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Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

This is where you're wrong. Please, go to wiki and compare the two of them. I'm extremely shocked at the response to the GW:EN armors. People, please look at the armor from Prophecies. I'll take warriors as an example. Dragon is a reskin of Wyvern. 15k Templar -> Templar. 15k Glads -> Glads. 15k Charr Hide (I hate this new name) -> Charr Hide.
Look at Warrior Vabbian. Wow, I wonder what armor that reminds me of? Maybe Glads? Does anyone else think Ancient looks like Tyrian?

Reskins have always been in GW. I don't know why people all of a sudden care about the reskins. Complainers keep saying, "Oh, I might not buy GW2 now because of GW:EN. Anet let me down." Well, you know what? The complaining portion of the GW community has let me down.

And I don't mind if GW2 is going to be a "rip-off" of WoW. At least it'll be f2p

You're talking about the Elite version of a 1k armor. Of course they're going to seem similiar! The models for 1k glad and 15k glad however are very different. It's like that with most of the elite and 1k as well. someone similiar models, 15k tweaked to look better with better textures.
GW:EN said 40 new armor sets, not 40 new textures.
In GW:EN, its the exact same mesh, different texture. Some of the models have been tweaked with, but still closely resemble an existing armor (ie norn warrior). Some look great in my opinion (norn mesmer, necro. Monument dervish) but IMO and it seems a lot (since the majority here seem to be against it) the reskins are bad, and even some of the combos look lazily thrown together and dont match.
The thing I'm most concerned about is the grind. I've already stated why in this thread.

Bryant Again · Sep 03, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125

This is where you're wrong. Please, go to wiki and compare the two of them. I'm extremely shocked at the response to the GW:EN armors. People, please look at the armor from Prophecies. I'll take warriors as an example. Dragon is a reskin of Wyvern. 15k Templar -> Templar. 15k Glads -> Glads. 15k Charr Hide (I hate this new name) -> Charr Hide.
Look at Warrior Vabbian. Wow, I wonder what armor that reminds me of? Maybe Glads? Does anyone else think Ancient looks like Tyrian?

Actually he's right. The 15k glads is a remodel of the 1.5k, same with 15k Templar.

The rest of your post though is pretty spot on. Here's a list of the prophecies prestige armors that are *not* reskins:
Warrior: Glad's, Templar
Ranger: Druid, Drakescale
Monk: Saintly, Labryinth
Necro: Necrotic, Profane
Mesmer: Enchanter
Ele: All reskins, sadly.

And no Ancient don't look like Tyrian at all.

The reason that I myself am bummed at the armors is not that they're reskins, but that the reskins suck. I mean look at Prophecies, no one complained about those armors being "reskinnedlol" because they looked good. Look at all the warrior armors besides Silver Eagle for warriors, especially the Monument armor. Try not to laugh.

Shadowfox1125 · Sep 03, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Seriously?

Look at these two..

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:W...front%29. jpg
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:W...or_M_Front.jpg

Ancient is just bulkier, which might make the two look different.

Symeon · Sep 03, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

I think the main problem is that a large number of the armor sets in EotN are hideous. In their disgust, people have started complaining about reskins, even though the same has been done in the past. Admittedly, some amors - warrior Asuran armor, for example - are more obvious reskins than others. But people just wouldn't be complaining this much if the new armors weren't so ugly (with a few exceptions).

Atom · Sep 03, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

Haha, those are definitively different models. Do you want me to circle and point out all the many differences? It could be possible that they started with the first one and tweaked and played with the mesh to create the second one. If they did do that, good, they changed the model.

That's still more than they did for GW:EN armors.

street peddler · Sep 03, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

the only armor that looks poorly done is the dwarven paragon armor, but besides that im content..