Curse

Darksun · Sep 05, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

And yet, i'm the one that has NCSoft backing for a Guild Wars radio show huh? yeah, cos I don't know what i'm talking about... and i rest my case and walk away

Wow, you actually proved you aren't being objective.
Next time you "rest your case" use information that is relevant to the discussion, not epeen out of left field.

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Originally Posted by Sasuke The Betrayer

They aren't gonna leave us hanging like this, either, ANET will probably add in Sorrow's Furance size updates for free. Also, I can't even say that HoM is completed yet. You still can't rearrange properly, a "pet" stable would be awesome (Doubt about this though), and they will probably add in more weapons in the valor monument, as everyone isn't happy with the destroyer weapons. Also, you cant buy a game and expect EVERYTHING you wanted out of it.

I don't know about a Sorrow's Furnace size update, and the reasons I listed are hardly "EVERYTHING I wanted out of it". I'm pretty sure they will update HoM somehow, they are definitely doing hard mode. I dunno, I really like everything so far (except the armor) so the general response is "well then it's worth it" but I'd like to be realistic with my money & the worth of things. If Prophecies is going to be $50, I don't know if EotN really warrants the $40. The price is so close, but the content isn't. I was waiting for the "customize your character" & "character development past level 20" stuff. I got reskined armor & some nice standalone stuff.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Is $40 too much, but $30 is OK? Are we really haggling over $10?

The strange thing is, obviously a lot of time was spent getting new music, new voice actors (which are really good, especially Vekk), nice new graphics...

I think the point is the content/price ratio from Chapter to expansion. Something feels wrong.

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

and then Anet shot themselves in the foot with bad armor reskins, with reputation requirements to boot. I have to wonder if the Armor and weapon skins were better in GWEN, would there be less complaining? (oh, and more ways to get reputation points would be nice, too).

lol from me there would be. Customizing my character (visually, weapon wise, titles, and hopefully NEW ways to personalize ) is the whole game to me.

freekedoutfish · Sep 05, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Bottom line: Anet needed money to continue to work on GW2.

Is $40 too much, but $30 is OK? Are we really haggling over $10?

The strange thing is, obviously a lot of time was spent getting new music, new voice actors (which are really good, especially Vekk), nice new graphics...

and then Anet shot themselves in the foot with bad armor reskins, with reputation requirements to boot. I have to wonder if the Armor and weapon skins were better in GWEN, would there be less complaining? (oh, and more ways to get reputation points would be nice, too).

£10 is quite alot to some people! Thats quite a few items of shopping, food, clothes and alike that are more important then computer games. Plus its several pints and more money to spend entertaining friends when you go out for meals.

So im quite happe to squabble over £10 myself.

Buts its not about how much we were willing to pay. I probably wud have paid more for the expansion, because I love GWs. Its the fact we spent that money thinking we'd get more then we did.... and we didnt get an astounding amount.

Lonesamurai · Sep 05, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Darksun

Wow, you actually proved you aren't being objective.
Next time you "rest your case" use information that is relevant to the discussion, not epeen out of left field.

yeah ok, cos its not being Objective to start a Guild Wars radio show now and actually get backing for it from NCSoft if i thought there wasn't a good call for it and life left in the game? This is my own business too and real money rides on it, do you seriously think I would intentionally back guild Wars if i thought for one second that it was a waste of my time and possibly a bad business decision on my part to do so?

Darksun · Sep 05, 2007, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

do you seriously think I would intentionally back guild Wars if i thought for one second that it was a waste of my time and possibly a bad business decision on my part to do so?

IT'S EXACTLY MY POINT! Because you are riding on it, of course its going to be hard for you to be objective when it comes to this topic.

I love Arena Net. I think it's a great company. I want to work for them, I'm still trying to. It doesn't mean that everything they do is perfect, and it doesn't mean that I think that the price difference between the campaigns & the expansion is equal to the content difference between the campaigns & the expansion. Knowing the quality of what the Arena Net team is capable of seeing all the reskins, & faction requirements, the similar looking dungeons & strange choices on the HoM makes it worse.

One thing I will say is the Outdoor environments are killer, and the new weapons (not the Destroyer ones) are really nice.

Mordakai · Sep 05, 2007, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

£10 is quite alot to some people! Thats quite a few items of shopping, food, clothes and alike that are more important then computer games. Plus its several pints and more money to spend entertaining friends when you go out for meals.

So im quite happe to squabble over £10 myself.

Buts its not about how much we were willing to pay. I probably wud have paid more for the expansion, because I love GWs. Its the fact we spent that money thinking we'd get more then we did.... and we didnt get an astounding amount.

What does GWEN cost in £? £17.99 or something?

(yep http://www.101cd.com/101CD/Games_Pro...ES-NCS44185-IM)

According to this http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi

17.99 GBP =36.3435 USD

It's $39.99 here, so about the same. Maybe it's a bit much. Anyway, Anet doesn't pick the price, NCSoft does, so maybe Jeff Strain thought it would sell for $29.99.

Who knows?

neo_bpm · Sep 05, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

GW:EN is a very expensive and bad product. (Re-skinned Armors and very snubs weapons skins GG Anet).

Lucifer PVP · Sep 05, 2007, 09:31 PM // 21:31

so total i have spent on guildwars .. 6:50 a month give or take... gwen is fine. Wow is what like 15 bucks a month plus you have to pay for each expansion.

GW 29 months $190
Wow 29 month $435 @ 15 a month

gw looks fine to me. If you really all want to be cheap asses ... try diablo 2 .. or better yet the best free game dungeon runners

quickmonty · Sep 05, 2007, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Too much money for what we got, but ANet has to survive until they release GW2. If you intend to play GW2 think of it as an investment to pay the ANet employees until then.

Kinky Elf · Sep 05, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

I paid $50/Prophecies, $50/Factions, $50/Night Fall, $40/GW:EN * 2 (Spouse Also)... When I first got Prophecies my compters didn't handle the game so well so 2 * $500 systems got me rocking... All in all I got about $1,380 into this game I figure... Money well spent IMHO... I have had many hours of fun playing this game and will have many more hours of fun in the future... I have to give Anet it's props for a GREAT game... However, GW:EN... Underwhelming IMHO...

Stormer_99 · Sep 05, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

Personally I do feel it was over priced. But I'm basing this opinion on what we have come to expect from Anet. In comparison we got ripped. I'm not just referring to the length of the expansion pack, but primarily the quality...

acidic · Sep 06, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

the standard had been lowered by gwen. but hey SHINY NEW MINIPETS omg will solve everything

Sihaya Syme · Sep 06, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

I had to spend 35 euro's, and I'm starting to regret it

20 would have been better.

Mineria · Sep 06, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

In terms of no monthly fee, I think the price is fair enough.
I guess a little more content will be added to GW:EN, they just didn't reach to complete it upon the release.
Just look how much Anet has added to the other campaigns way after they got released. And that for no additional costs at all.

hurric · Sep 06, 2007, 06:27 PM // 18:27

I did the preview and spent 5 bucks on it but I think i'ts better to lose 5 than 35 more. I was a huge guild wars fan (and still am of original chapters) but GWEN totally killed it for me. If this is the direction they're going with GW2, I'm pretty much done with them. I'll still play original GW.

Gwen flaws:
- GRIND, no missions, more grind and a ton of stuff recycled such as bad armors, bad weapons
- over priced for the content relatively speaking to other chapters. (no doubt about it)
- HoM is a failure (customization char based, minis, pvp titles etc.)
- as someone mentioned new heros but nothing new added they do the same thing
- I'm definitely no fan of using stupid bear/wolf whatever form and hate idea of bears shooting arrows with a bow. That's just ridiculous
- 1 on 1 matches are kind of fun but no big deal These should've already been added as mini games while you wait in AB for so long
- Grind is really what killed me and the new races are totally not doing it for me. I really liked GW because of all human char. Once you add Dwarves, etc. what other game does it remind you of?

everyday I'm more convinced I'm not going to buy GWEN because I barely played in the preview weekend (did most of quests but the fun factor was out of it,, felt like work)

and people should stop saying oh because there's no monthly fee, they can have it overpriced. That's no justifications. One of selling points of GW was that it has no fees but people still buy 2nd accounts and extra char slots and CE. That's no reason to price it this way. With the huge gap between GWEN and GW2, I would've been much happier to get a new chapter instead.

If not that, things like Hard mode, elite missions, etc are what keeps people playing more no re-skins and grind. A lot of people may disagree but i liked the chapters much better. No new professions because it's already hard enough to keep it somewhat balanced but a better map than 12 or whatever dungeons. Norn reputation, asura reputation, what fun do you get from doing these or killing the guy at outposts a million times (priests giving bounty in NF was a better idea)

Tijger · Sep 06, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

The price is fine, cheaper then a full chapter plus a free bonus mission pack and bonus items for 35 euro?

I've already played EN longer then I have Bioshock which was 15 euro's more and took me less then 50 hours to complete with all endings.

Oh yeah I keep forgetting, its all about l33t armors and weapons, who cares about actually playing the game ;(

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Originally Posted by hurric

everyday I'm more convinced I'm not going to buy GWEN because I barely played in the preview weekend (did most of quests but the fun factor was out of it,, felt like work)

Impressive write up considering you've barely played the preview event and can sum up the entirity of EN by that....sounds like an informed decision.

hurric · Sep 06, 2007, 06:43 PM // 18:43

I played as much as preview let me (not 100% but enough to get a good idea) I did play it but not because I wanted to. I did most of what it let me do so I can't say I played the full game because i didn't buy it but as much as I saw, i was not impressed but repulsed by it.

farmpig · Sep 06, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I enjoyed every second of the game. Looks like money well spent to me lol. BTW chao gloves looks horrid.

Tijger · Sep 06, 2007, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by hurric

I played as much as preview let me (not 100% but enough to get a good idea) I did play it but not because I wanted to. I did most of what it let me do so I can't say I played the full game because i didn't buy it but as much as I saw, i was not impressed but repulsed by it.

So dont buy it but dont post in a topic about it being too expensive because if you are repulsed by it then even $5 would be too much.

fripple · Sep 06, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

yeah ok, cos its not being Objective to start a Guild Wars radio show now and actually get backing for it from NCSoft if i thought there wasn't a good call for it and life left in the game? This is my own business too and real money rides on it, do you seriously think I would intentionally back guild Wars if i thought for one second that it was a waste of my time and possibly a bad business decision on my part to do so?

You have what is called a "conflict of interest." The correct, legally prescribed tactic in such a situation is to SHUT THE HELL UP. Your opinion on any matter related to the game is irrelevant and, if publicly aired in an unofficial capacity, dangerously unethical, because you have a vested economic interest in specific outcomes, unlike the rest of the people posting.

Mineria · Sep 06, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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- GRIND, no missions, more grind and a ton of stuff recycled such as bad armors, bad weapons

Dungeons,lots of side quests.
And there are some new weapon skins.
There is a mesmer armor I will go get in GW:EN, because it just looks good.

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- over priced for the content relatively speaking to other chapters. (no doubt about it)

I did not cost the same price as a campaign.

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- HoM is a failure (customization char based, minis, pvp titles etc.)

HoM will be revamped, Im like 99% sure of that.

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- as someone mentioned new heros but nothing new added they do the same thing

And? For those who don't have nightfall its nice.
Plus some of them look better then my old ones.

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- I'm definitely no fan of using stupid bear/wolf whatever form and hate idea of bears shooting arrows with a bow. That's just ridiculous

Your opinion....

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- 1 on 1 matches are kind of fun but no big deal These should've already been added as mini games while you wait in AB for so long

Its all about the fun.

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- Grind is really what killed me

r4 by quests/dungeons, little bit grind for r5(armor), you need r9 or higher?

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and the new races are totally not doing it for me. I really liked GW because of all human char. Once you add Dwarves, etc. what other game does it remind you of?

Prophecies, ever been in the Shiverpeaks?
Oh, and you can only play your old characters, you cant make new ones, and neither another race...........

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everyday I'm more convinced I'm not going to buy GWEN because I barely played in the preview weekend (did most of quests but the fun factor was out of it,, felt like work)

How did you play it?
I liked the quests and storyline, and diving into the dungeons.

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and people should stop saying oh because there's no monthly fee, they can have it overpriced. That's no justifications. One of selling points of GW was that it has no fees but people still buy 2nd accounts and extra char slots and CE. That's no reason to price it this way. With the huge gap between GWEN and GW2, I would've been much happier to get a new chapter instead.

It is not overpriced. No monthly fee is a good thing when you think about how much work puts into GW. I mean the updates, adding new content with those as well etc.
People buying 2nd accounts, extra character slots etc. has nothing to do with it at all. Wrong argument in the wrong place.

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If not that, things like Hard mode, elite missions, etc are what keeps people playing more no re-skins and grind. A lot of people may disagree but i liked the chapters much better. No new professions because it's already hard enough to keep it somewhat balanced but a better map than 12 or whatever dungeons. Norn reputation, asura reputation, what fun do you get from doing these or killing the guy at outposts a million times (priests giving bounty in NF was a better idea)

First one doesn't make sentence, first you complain over grind, and then you say it is part of what keeps people play....?
The NF bounty grind is the same thing, just gives less except you do it in hard mode.