Curse

Porcelain · Sep 02, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

/signed
I think that more than half of the people shouting "whiners!" probably had their parents buy this expansion. My husband and I spent hard earned money on this and I am really disappointed. The 40 *NEW* sets of armor is what I really was looking forward to so we ran out and bought the pre order and then the expansion the day it was released. I was really pissed to learn that we wasted so much money on recycled crap. So in total we have spent $100 and have been disappointed. We both have 2 accounts each. (We haven't purchased the expansion for our second accounts) This in addition to the way anet has tried to curb bots and in turn hurt the real players is pure garbage. If this is any indication of how GW2 will be, we will not waste any more of our money on it.

freekedoutfish · Sep 02, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by natuxatu

I disagree and think it's fine that that some are recycled.. it's just a little expansion and you don't need the armor unless you want it. It's better than nothing... I don't mind have two similar variations.. i still want them... i'll still be happy.. they are different enough. I might have been a little dissapointed but I'm over it already.

If it was just a little expansion, then why did we pay the same price as a full new campaign for the game?

/signed anyway

I absolutely agree that the armors in GWEN are just a joke, especially for elementals. If you know anything about ele armor you can spot the huge similarities between GWEN ele armor and existing prophercies armor.

They have reused pyromancer, air armor and tyrian armor. They may have used different patterns, but that is no excuse at all!

They really did make any effort at all with the styles.

I can understand why the non-core professions are happy with GWEN armor because they have had less sets then us anyway. They will lap up any new armor they get.

But the core professions are just having the same old models being used!

I dunno about re-skinning the entire lot, but Anet needs to give us elite GWEN armor that we get at the very end, which is actually worthy of paying £17.99-£29.99 for.

I would be /signed even more at adding one last set of armor that can truly be called "end game" because GWEN is truly the last expansion we will get before GW2!

Even the unique gloves and masks wont make up for it, because those wont match very well with all armors and professions.

The fact is we payed full price for this, the same as a new campaign and we got content that is 1/4 of the size of a new campaign. We should have got jaw-dropping armor that blew us away, but instead got boring stuff.

Just take a look at Norn elemental 10k armor and tell me that isnt just bland!! Look at any male elemental armor in GWEN and show me where the effort was in designing them? Then compare them to existing armors in Prophercies.

This is the only computer game I actually play (aside from guitar hero 2 on xbox360) and I actually have no job at the minute, and paying £17.99 is quite a bit for me. I would have just liked something more on the scale of a full campaign, which they told us we were getting.

I play this to unwind and keep myself busy and from going insain from bordem, because i just finished a work placement and I have a month off before going back to University. But after 2 years of playing GWs its a slight anti-climax.

We were promised a map on the scale of factions and its no where near that!

It feels more like we paid £17.99-£29.99 for the bits they left out of prophercies and wanted to add in, but couldnt! Its like we have paid the same price again to let them polish off the game, the way they should have the first time.

The other fact is that Anet made this fuss about GWEN being a reward for all its long running customers and players. A way to say thank you for sticking with them, and hanging around for 2 years...

....em cheers! You gave me elemental armor that looks like every other Tyrian armor!!! Thanks for making me feel appreciated!!

acidic · Sep 02, 2007, 05:23 PM // 17:23

/signed

This needs to be addressed

Darkobra · Sep 02, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran

Anton's armor almost made me cry. Give me the chance to earn that, and I won't whine once until GW2 is out. D:

Anton's armour is AMAZING! I'm considering using an assassin in my party JUST to see that armour better.

lyra_song · Sep 02, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Well a few things.

1) Stop taking it so personally you guys. Some of you act like Anet created these armors just to piss you off. No, if anything Anet created these armors to make their players happy. It's obviously not very successful judging from the overall increased "Level 28 Moaner is using Bitch! Whine!" on gwguru ive had to wade through for the past 2 weeks.

2) Stop diminishing Anet's work. Even if some of the armors used model tweaks, skinning is NOT EASY. Its not a half-ass or a quarter-ass job. Its a lot of work. Even if they are recycling models, the armor textures are amazing. Asuran Warrior armor comes to mind.

3) Criticism that the Armors aren't very attractive nor are they desirable is PERFECTLY FINE. Some of the reskins ARE bad. Personally, i only intend to craft Asuran glasses, and a Norn Dervish set, and a Norn Ranger set. The rest of the armors aren't really very interesting to me. I really really wanted a good Paragon set and i am disappointed in that the only interesting one is male norn.

freekedoutfish · Sep 02, 2007, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by -Loki-

That's a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid argument. There were reskinned armour in Nightfall as well that counted as new armour sets. Quit whining.

The elemental armors in both factions and nightfall were completely different to anything that came before.

Compare Canthan elite armor to pyromancer armor.
Compare pyromancer elite armor to elite vabbian, elite ancient or elite primevil armor.

All very different styles between all 3 campaigns!

Yes all 3 games had standard 1.5k armors that looked like knock-offs, but they were intended that way. But if your paying 5k, 10k or 15k for an armor set you expect a bit more effort to put in.

Factions and Nightfall were both going in the right direction with making different armor designs. Then they took about 20 steps back and decided to just rehash used skins and models in GWEN.

I dont want to buy 10k armor to find out ive just wasted ALOT of gold on something that looks like 1.5k armor from Ascalon!

Crowell The Fallen · Sep 02, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

the only armor im somewhat interested in is those Chaos Gloves........

maoric · Sep 02, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

I for one hope that all the armors stay exactly as they are.

Even if the majority of armors in Eye of the North are reskins, I like quite a number of them. I plan on crafting armors for most of my characters from this expansion, and I would not want them to suddenly change down the road.

freekedoutfish · Sep 02, 2007, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Well a few things.

1) Stop taking it so personally you guys. Some of you act like Anet created these armors just to piss you off. No, if anything Anet created these armors to make their players happy. It's obviously not very successful judging from the overall increased "Level 28 Moaner is using Bitch! Whine!" on gwguru ive had to wade through for the past 2 weeks.

2) Stop diminishing Anet's work. Even if some of the armors used model tweaks, skinning is NOT EASY. Its not a half-ass or a quarter-ass job. Its a lot of work. Even if they are recycling models, the armor textures are amazing. Asuran Warrior armor comes to mind.

3) Criticism that the Armors aren't very attractive nor are they desirable is PERFECTLY FINE. Some of the reskins ARE bad. Personally, i only intend to craft Asuran glasses, and a Norn Dervish set, and a Norn Ranger set. The rest of the armors aren't really very interesting to me. I really really wanted a good Paragon set and i am disappointed in that the only interesting one is male norn.

People take it personally because they have paid £17.99-£29.99 (full campaign price) for an expansion that is about 1/4 the size of a full campaign with armor that feels effertless.

Go take a look at elemental GWEN armor and compare it to armor from prophercies and tell me it wouldnt really annoy you if that was your choice!

You talk about dervish and ranger armor sets in GWEN.

Im not surprised you think those armor sets are ok, because those ones got a bit of effort put into them like the warriror armor did. But the casters armor like elemental has taking a real bashing from the art department!

No ones denying its not hard work to design armor and create it. I love some of the different armor from factions and nightfall for my elemental because they are very different in design.

But Anet has realy slipped up here with GWEN and the armor. Its the last expansion/campaign we will get and they should have put some more thought into it.

Also concider these armor sets are from non-human species like the Asura, the Norn and the Drawfs. So why would the Asura and Norn have armor that is very much like existing human armor?

The Asura have only just come to the surface and met humans, so how come they seem to have the same fashion sense?

How come we didnt get Asura elemental armor similar in design to Vekks gear?

It just wasnt well thought out! The Norn armor is basically just thicker versions of existing armor because its in the snower mountains! Wow!!

The Asura are a highly intelligent, technilogical advanced people, so you would expect the armor to reflect that!

The drawfs are heavy labourers who work underground and do alot of mining. So why cant the armor reflect that?

The Norn worship bears, so why couldnt they put that into all the armor?

If I can work that out in a few days, why couldnt the art department work that out and work along those lines?

And yes, skinning isnt easy and does take alot of work! So they should have taken their time and released it when they were ready and had put more effort in. We have 2 years before GW2 comes out, so why did they have to get GWEN out so soon? it could have used more time in my opinion.

TyrianFury · Sep 02, 2007, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Yeah really , really disappointed with the armours in the game. I was looking to forward to getting a new elementalist set but they all suck. I mean the re-skins don't even look that good, female norn ele is the best of a bad bunch.

I love the new environments story and etc, hate the grinding though. I don't mind working for stuff but grinding is a little extreme, 250 destroyer cores for a set of gauntlets oh please the only thing I want new armour wise is out of reach for the all but 'I have no life and love grinding' sort of players.

Farcry Deathblade · Sep 02, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

The saddest part is...they chose to reskin 1.5k ele armor. And yes I would consider that to be quarter-assed, seeing how any person with a few years in the business could pull off something that simple in a matter of weeks. And what pisses me off more is that I see something that could be potentially great (dragon gauntlets for example) that could have really been built on...and they DIDN'T. And if Anet had all this time to create beautiful environments, then what were the armor makers doing? I'm sure at least they could have created a few more ORIGINAL meshes(like they did with heroes). And seriously, none of the "player-available" norn armor even fits the style depicted with the concept art of Jora...I was really hoping I could get something remotely along those lines for my ele.

Hyper Cutter · Sep 02, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

The drawfs are heavy labourers who work underground and do alot of mining. So why cant the armor reflect that?

Just to point out, the dwarves also crafted all our 15k armor in Prophecies (and the 1.5k, for that matter)...

ubrikkean · Sep 02, 2007, 06:01 PM // 18:01

I think we were spoiled by the Nightfall armours. Before Nightfall, every Elite armour set was quite similar to the regular version of it. Then, when NF came out, we got the Ancient, Vabbian, and Primeval sets, which were all completely new skins and, for the most part, good-looking. Now when we hear about new armour sets, especially from a campaign that only has Elite armour, we expect completely new sets again, especially because there are new races involved in making them. I don't see a problem with the new sets though. If they look like previous armours slightly modified, to me that implies they are intended to be the Elite version of that set. For example, the Necromancer Monument armour looks kind of like Krytan Necromancer armour. There currently is no Elite Krytan armour at the moment, and I do think the Monument armour looks better than the original Krytan.

This theory is probably only true for some sets, and for those where it is a 3rd armour built on the same basic appearance, I do agree with the petition. Let's not condemn all of them though, I appreciate the possibility of the intention to make an Elite version of armour that had no Elite version previously.

Jecht Scye · Sep 02, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Honestly, this is the only portion of this expansion I was disappointed in. Not only are the armors re-skins, but I have yet to see a set of armor that doesn't look like a half-assed texture job. The expansion is great, but invest more time in creating new models and textures for armor. I'm still waiting for another male necro armor set that doesn't look like a Skale just puked it up. There hasn't been one since prophecies.

lyra_song · Sep 02, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

People take it personally because they have paid £17.99-£29.99 (full campaign price) for an expansion that is about 1/4 the size of a full campaign with armor that feels effertless.

How it feels and how it really is can be quite contrary.

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Go take a look at elemental GWEN armor and compare it to armor from prophercies and tell me it wouldnt really annoy you if that was your choice!

You talk about dervish and ranger armor sets in GWEN.

Im not surprised you think those armor sets are ok, because those ones got a bit of effort put into them like the warriror armor did. But the casters armor like elemental has taking a real bashing from the art department!

Actually rangers also got a reskin of Drakescale as well as a mix of Ancient + FoW Gloves/Boots. Look at the mesmer and monk armors as well. Like i said, its very uninteresting.

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No ones denying its not hard work to design armor and create it. I love some of the different armor from factions and nightfall for my elemental because they are very different in design.

But Anet has realy slipped up here with GWEN and the armor. Its the last expansion/campaign we will get and they should have put some more thought into it.

People on this thread are still accusing Anet of doing less work or less thought. At most, they made some bad decisions to take the artwork on the armor. But it is not less work.

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Also concider these armor sets are from non-human species like the Asura, the Norn and the Drawfs. So why would the Asura and Norn have armor that is very much like existing human armor?

The Asura have only just come to the surface and met humans, so how come they seem to have the same fashion sense?

How come we didnt get Asura elemental armor similar in design to Vekks gear?

It just wasnt well thought out! The Norn armor is basically just thicker versions of existing armor because its in the snower mountains! Wow!!

The Asura are a highly intelligent, technilogical advanced people, so you would expect the armor to reflect that!

The drawfs are heavy labourers who work underground and do alot of mining. So why cant the armor reflect that?

The Norn worship bears, so why couldnt they put that into all the armor?

If I can work that out in a few days, why couldnt the art department work that out and work along those lines?

See those kinds of criticisms are more valid than most peoples have been on this thread, since its a style and art decision critique.

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And yes, skinning isnt easy and does take alot of work! So they should have taken their time and released it when they were ready and had put more effort in. We have 2 years before GW2 comes out, so why did they have to get GWEN out so soon? it could have used more time in my opinion.

More time wouldnt have saved it if the choices they made in the art direction isnt liked by the players.

acidic · Sep 02, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

More time would have made a difference and likely for the better. Gwen seemed to be rushed and this is what annoys people even if they eventually fix everything. We shouldn't be paying for a godam beta....

lyra_song · Sep 02, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by acidic

More time would have made a difference and likely for the better. Gwen seemed to be rushed and this is what annoys people even if they eventually fix everything. We shouldn't be paying for a godam beta....

If you bought 15k gladiator armor when the game first came out, it used the same exact artwork as the 1.5k droknars version. The new 15k gladiator armor didnt get added until 2 months later.

Welcome to Guild Wars!

Farcry Deathblade · Sep 02, 2007, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by ubrikkean

Now when we hear about new armour sets, especially from a campaign that only has Elite armour, we expect completely new sets again, especially because there are new races involved in making them.

...and damn it, we SHOULD expect new sets again! There are hundreds of possibilities for new armor, and Anet didn't even try to scratch the surface on this expansion, except when it came to hero armor, which very few people even give a rat's ass about.

Squirl · Sep 02, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

I for one really wouldn't mind if I logged in one day and found out the armor I just bought was overhauled. Like it's been mentioned, they've done it once before, they can do it again.

I got the Sins Monument armor and the model is exactly 1.5k Seitung top, 1.5k Luxon gloves, 1.5k Cantha legs and feet. I thought it was pretty sad when I found out what it looked like. I went straight for this set because nobody had posted it on either Wiki until I did and I figured with the majority of the Ebon Vangaurd being Sins it'd have to be a pretty cool set for us, suuure.

With as much support behind the need to change the armor, I'd hope something happens. As of right now, there's a very, very small minority of people that say they like the reskins.

/signed

wolfwing · Sep 02, 2007, 07:08 PM // 19:08

I think things be solved if the eagle armour had a version for all classes. Thats the real kick in the nuts to players, okay lets give warrior 5 sets, and everyone else 4, PLUS thats probably the best set in the game. Only other armour I'm really excited about is the norn Dervish armour.