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Fox Reeveheart · Sep 11, 2007, 09:40 PM // 21:40

I don't see how this will fix reputation points grind AT ALL.

From my understanding with hardmode in nightfall. The only difference in points was well.... no difference that I can remember, it just let us reach the top of the sunspear and lightbringer track. Thats all I can think of being implemented is the top tiers of the reputation title tracks becoming achieveable while STILL only being 1 point per kill.

So whats all the excitement about? Do people think they'll get extra points for vanquishing an area? I wouldnt be too enthusiastic since there aren't exactly a whole bunch of places for each of the factions. Asuran have verdant cascades, magus stones, alcazia tangle, arbor bay, and riven earth (that I can remember). Woohoo 5 places. so what?

freekedoutfish · Sep 11, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart

I don't see how this will fix reputation points grind AT ALL.

From my understanding with hardmode in nightfall. The only difference in points was well.... no difference that I can remember, it just let us reach the top of the sunspear and lightbringer track. Thats all I can think of being implemented is the top tiers of the reputation title tracks becoming achieveable while STILL only being 1 point per kill.

So whats all the excitement about? Do people think they'll get extra points for vanquishing an area? I wouldnt be too enthusiastic since there aren't exactly a whole bunch of places for each of the factions. Asuran have verdant cascades, magus stones, alcazia tangle, arbor bay, and riven earth (that I can remember). Woohoo 5 places. so what?

Actually (like in NF) Hard Mode bounties are likely to give you twice as many points for kills, so yes it will make earning points easier.

But is there an issue with earning rep points?

Ive had no issues getting my char to rank 5 on all races in just a week. 90% of those points being from quest and dungeons and a tiny bit of bounty farming to get the rest.

And im not a hardcore player who is on 24/7...

Plus whats the priority of earning more points then rank 5?

Do you really need to increase the power of the pve only skills! Their not important to playing the game and it can be done without them, there is no aspect of all 3 games and the expansion that requires them, so its hardly imperative to max those titles.

Basically making rank 5 is easy on all races and its not necessary to increase further unless you really like to use those skills.

Its purely choice to grind past rank 5 IMO!

But yes Hard Mode will make it easier to make points from doubling rewards for kills. But its your choice to use bounties and go further then rank 5. Plus you can only get passed rank 8 in HM as in NF.

Retribution X · Sep 11, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Erm, with HM we got boss bonuses and the amount of faction per kill was doubled. And we could max the titles. combine that with better drops, erm yeah. (Sorry this isn't done right, damned return key won't work...)

Bruce Leeroy · Sep 11, 2007, 09:55 PM // 21:55

I believe you cant get past R8 ATM, so HM may let those max titles achievable.

Bryant Again · Sep 11, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Plus whats the priority of earning more points then rank 5?

Maxed titles.

AlienFromBeyond · Sep 11, 2007, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Maxed titles.

And better effects for PvE skills.

xcenic · Sep 11, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

im dont event want to think in frostmaw in Hard mode, or maybe orr shards....!!!

i think whit Hm they should also Fix some Uber power skill monsters have!!!

Uber Mass · Sep 11, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by xcenic

im dont event want to think in frostmaw in Hard mode, or maybe orr shards....!!!

i think whit Hm they should also Fix some Uber power skill monsters have!!!

We couldnt think of DoA in HM in the start also.... After a while that was really doable....

HM is good especially for elite areas and dungeons group up with people and face a challenge.

kazjun · Sep 12, 2007, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Not so sure about better drops. Apart from tomes, I reckon you'd be better off in NM. You can kill quicker and more and restart your run. I certainly haven't seen a massive increase in gold drops, and the golds that do drop ain't any less merch food than NM gold drops.

As for HM and titles, it'll mean you can earn more points from vanq, but you'll still need a ton of grinding to clear zones.

Lourens · Sep 12, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

After every 25 kills in NF u got 100 extra points i remember in NF

Omnidragon42 · Sep 12, 2007, 09:38 AM // 09:38

I got rank 8 in the delver title through a little farming, rank 5 norn title, rank 4 asuran, and rank 4 ebon vanguard just by playing normally. Hard Mode is good because:
It adds replayability to zones you've done before.
Skill tomes.
More/better loot.
Faster point farming (I hope.)

I love how my "Finish Him!" deals almost 50 damage, and I can't wait until it deals 80. I love the PvE only skills and enjoy farming the point titles. Can't wait for hard mode

Abbel Calima · Sep 12, 2007, 09:57 AM // 09:57

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Originally Posted by Omnidragon42

I got rank 8 in the delver title through a little farming, rank 5 norn title, rank 4 asuran, and rank 4 ebon vanguard just by playing normally. Hard Mode is good because:
It adds replayability to zones you've done before.
Skill tomes.
More/better loot.
Faster point farming (I hope.)

I love how my "Finish Him!" deals almost 50 damage, and I can't wait until it deals 80. I love the PvE only skills and enjoy farming the point titles. Can't wait for hard mode

That sums it up!
Yeah when they've implented HM, point farming will be much faster. (remember the ss and lb rank?)

freekedoutfish · Sep 12, 2007, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Maxed titles.

Thats not a priority though, that is just your choice to max them out. It wont hugely impact your gameplay other then make some pve only skills more powerfull. Skills you dont need to complete the game.

I got the impression the OP was making some suggestion that these pve only skills are important to the gameplay somehow and they need to be maxed otherwise you cant play the game. I got that impression by him stating that rep points need "fixed"!

But they dont!

They work fine. Ive made rank 5 on all easily in a week and now I have access to all armors. If you wish to increase more to effect pve only skills, its an optional thing. But even getting to rank 6 and 7 isnt that hard. Your only talking another 10k to rank 6 and 16k to rank 7 aferwards.

Its once you get passed rank 7 it gets more grind. But thats purely optional and not critical to gameplay!

But hard mode will make the bounty farming alot easier with double points, so that should half the time it takes.

MithranArkanere · Sep 12, 2007, 11:24 AM // 11:24

Oh, no, no...

It won't fix it. It will make it faster.

Grind can't be fixed, it is always wrong.

Vel · Sep 12, 2007, 11:58 AM // 11:58

The way ANET is designing lately, I am quite sure it will be as follows:

Duncan in normal mode = 5 mins of SV & SS spamming.
Duncan in hard mode = 15 mins of SV & SS spamming.

And all others will follow the same suit. :sigh

- Vel

warren_kn · Sep 12, 2007, 12:14 PM // 12:14

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Originally Posted by Vel

The way ANET is designing lately, I am quite sure it will be as follows:

Duncan in normal mode = 5 mins of SV & SS spamming.
Duncan in hard mode = 15 mins of SV & SS spamming.

And all others will follow the same suit. :sigh

- Vel

Every boss in this game has an easy way to beat it. That goes for a lot of RPGs as well. If you are tired of using SV and SS spamming how about using another set of skills? And if you can't get into a party without using a set build, well you have heroes and henchies which are adequate for most things or you have guildmates/friends who don't mind stretching their imaginations to other builds.

Kakumei · Sep 12, 2007, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Hard Mode will make achieving reputation titles vastly quicker and easier, assuming they give additional points per kill ala Lightbringer and Sunspear. It's honestly rather easy to hit r5 as it is--this will make the so-called "grind" all but nonexistent.

shirosae · Sep 12, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Every time there's a new grind introduced, there's a corresponding period of random grinding until the fastest run to grind the points out becomes apparent.

HM will make that run widely known more quickly. That way, everyone who wants to grind their PvE skills, or who plays more than one character can go to that one spot and grind for X hours while ignoring the rest of the game.

Of course, that one spot will actually be four spots this time round, and there won't be any wurms, so we can only wait to see how that turns out.

I really found the almost instantaneous calls for Hard Mode in GWEN to be horribly depressing.

Vel · Sep 12, 2007, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by warren_kn

Every boss in this game has an easy way to beat it. That goes for a lot of RPGs as well. If you are tired of using SV and SS spamming how about using another set of skills? And if you can't get into a party without using a set build, well you have heroes and henchies which are adequate for most things or you have guildmates/friends who don't mind stretching their imaginations to other builds.

Why would I do things the hard way? And I am not tired of SV or SS spamming. I will spam as long as I like it.

- Vel

Bryant Again · Sep 12, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Thats not a priority though, that is just your choice to max them out. It wont hugely impact your gameplay other then make some pve only skills more powerfull. Skills you dont need to complete the game.

Uh no shit? Max Titles = More rank to KoaBD title. That's what I meant, and that's what quite a few people want.

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Oh, no, no...

It won't fix it. It will make it faster.

Grind can't be fixed, it is always wrong.

Actually that is one way you can kill grind: make it go extrodinarily fast. Then it's not so much grind as it is just a tiny speed bump.

And whoa holy crap Fox. You're the only other GW player I know that's in Michigan.