Curse

darktyco · Sep 08, 2007, 03:37 AM // 03:37

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Still missing the point. Take the title requirement out of skills.

Exactly my stance as well.

just rude · Sep 08, 2007, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

If I want Imperial armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want primeval armor, I win the game and buy it. If I want elite Luxon amror, I get 10k faction points in luxon (1 hour at most in pvp or maybe, at most 2 hours of missions) and buy it. It is not neccessary to farm for titles. No titles required to get it at all.

QFT,
there was never anything like this b4, its not like you had to kill the same creatures over and over just to get some armor.

......wait

ps I agree most fow is ugly

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

I would be very happy to see the GWEN skills that are not purchaseable to stay in gwen. They do unbalance the game.

I paid for GWEN, hated it. Now I have to play it so I can PUG in a team becuase of some skill that takes NO SKILL to earn.

Just limit GWEN skills to GWEN. You don't unbalance the game then. As it is, it is becoming more unbalance every day in PVE.

Why would you force GWEN skills on those that don't want them?

I would love to hear Anets response on the balance of the game.

I am so not looking forward to hitting C, spacebar again and again or playing the games in GWEN that I don't enjoy just so I can PUG.

If the GWEN skills are limited to GWEN, the ones that bought it and didn't like it can go in the rest of the game and enjoy it. Now it is hitting a direction that besides wasting $40, I will have to find another game as the rest of it will be ruined by it.

Was that the intention?

I don't give a cr*p about the armor. Tie it to level 25 for all I care. Just don't ruin the rest of the game on us please!

freekedoutfish · Sep 08, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

I would be very happy to see the GWEN skills that are not purchaseable to stay in gwen. They do unbalance the game.

I paid for GWEN, hated it. Now I have to play it so I can PUG in a team becuase of some skill that takes NO SKILL to earn.

What the hell are you on about? I never once been in a PUG since GWENs release where a team has asked/forced me to use any of the GWEN pve only skills. I only ever used two of them at the very last dungeon and that was just me experimenting.

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Just limit GWEN skills to GWEN. You don't unbalance the game then. As it is, it is becoming more unbalance every day in PVE.

Why would you force GWEN skills on those that don't want them?

I would love to hear Anets response on the balance of the game.

Honestly! Where are you coming from with these ideas that GWEN is forcing you to use its pve only skills? What kind of teams are you joining? Your just talking complete and utter nonsense if your trying to suggest that Anet has forced people to use GWEN skills.

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

I am so not looking forward to hitting C, spacebar again and again or playing the games in GWEN that I don't enjoy just so I can PUG.

All quests and dungeons in GWEN get you to rank4-5 which makes most pve only skills effective. If you then choose to grind your way to higher ranks that is your choice and no one is forcing you.

The same as with SS and LB points, and the same with faction points. Your talking like you have a pvp mentality where you have to have a more powerfull skill then they guy next to you.

This isnt HOA where you dont get picked unless you have rank[something] in Norn or Asura. People arent like that in pve and I have never experienced that kind of mentality in the 2 years of playing.

Yes it nice if a player has a more powerfull pve only skill, but ive never known anyone to be kicked or not accepted because they werent high enough.

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

If the GWEN skills are limited to GWEN, the ones that bought it and didn't like it can go in the rest of the game and enjoy it. Now it is hitting a direction that besides wasting $40, I will have to find another game as the rest of it will be ruined by it.

Was that the intention?

I don't give a cr*p about the armor. Tie it to level 25 for all I care. Just don't ruin the rest of the game on us please!

So lets say a player (not you) chooses to use a GWEN skill in (for instance) factions and it makes a certain aspect of the game a bit easier because the pve only skills are slightly more powerfull.

Are you suggesting thats just because that one player is finding factions easier due to that, this makes the game unbalanced for those who dont own GWEN?

How? Why does it matter whether another player chooses to use a skill that you either dont, or cant use!

You might not own Nightfall and another player doesnt. That player caps a NF elite and uses it in factions and it makes his factions gaming easier. You might be in a PUG and asked "do you have that elite from NF called...." and you say "I dont have NF sorry", do you get kicked? No ofcourse not!

You doing nothing more then trying to cause an issue and worry people about stuff that doesnt even matter. People in pve are not that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level. And if they are and do, then you leave and tell them to grow up.

It just doesnt happen, not from my experience of playing for 2 years.

And whether you do or dont own a skill can happen regardless of whether you own GWEN or not. You might be asked to use a factions skill, but you dont own factions. You might be asked to use a prophercies skill but you dont own it, etc etc!

Whether a person does or doesnt use a GWEN skill in pve makes no difference to you gameplay, and whether they have a huge rank or small rank in reputation shouldnt make a difference.

Personally I think this shows your mentality....

...you seem the kind of person who judges another player just because they might have rank2 Asura and its not good for you! GWEN has NOT added any unbalance to the game. Any unbalance you are seeing, is just because of your mentality and how you think the game works.

But its doesnt work how you think. People dont pick those who have higher ranks the others, this isnt HOA.

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

What the hell are you on about? I never once been in a PUG since GWENs release where a team has asked/forced me to use any of the GWEN pve only skills. I only ever used two of them at the very last dungeon and that was just me experimenting.

Honestly! Where are you coming from with these ideas that GWEN is forcing you to use its pve only skills? What kind of teams are you joining? Your just talking complete and utter nonsense if your trying to suggest that Anet has forced people to use GWEN skills.

All quests and dungeons in GWEN get you to rank4-5 which makes most pve only skills effective. If you then choose to grind your way to higher ranks that is your choice and no one is forcing you.

The same as with SS and LB points, and the same with faction points. Your talking like you have a pvp mentality where you have to have a more powerfull skill then they guy next to you.

This isnt HOA where you dont get picked unless you have rank[something] in Norn or Asura. People arent like that in pve and I have never experienced that kind of mentality in the 2 years of playing.

Yes it nice if a player has a more powerfull pve only skill, but ive never known anyone to be kicked or not accepted because they werent high enough.

So lets say a player (not you) chooses to use a GWEN skill in (for instance) factions and it makes a certain aspect of the game a bit easier because the pve only skills are slightly more powerfull.

Are you suggesting thats just because that one player is finding factions easier due to that, this makes the game unbalanced for those who dont own GWEN?

How? Why does it matter whether another player chooses to use a skill that you either dont, or cant use!

You might not own Nightfall and another player doesnt. That player caps a NF elite and uses it in factions and it makes his factions gaming easier. You might be in a PUG and asked "do you have that elite from NF called...." and you say "I dont have NF sorry", do you get kicked? No ofcourse not!

You doing nothing more then trying to cause an issue and worry people about stuff that doesnt even matter. People in pve are not that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level. And if they are and do, then you leave and tell them to grow up.

It just doesnt happen, not from my experience of playing for 2 years.

And whether you do or dont own a skill can happen regardless of whether you own GWEN or not. You might be asked to use a factions skill, but you dont own factions. You might be asked to use a prophercies skill but you dont own it, etc etc!

Whether a person does or doesnt use a GWEN skill in pve makes no difference to you gameplay, and whether they have a huge rank or small rank in reputation shouldnt make a difference.

Personally I think this shows your mentality....

...you seem the kind of person who judges another player just because they might have rank2 Asura and its not good for you! GWEN has NOT added any unbalance to the game. Any unbalance you are seeing, is just because of your mentality and how you think the game works.

But its doesnt work how you think. People dont pick those who have higher ranks the others, this isnt HOA.

Either you solo the game on a consistent basis or don't play in the harder areas. I don't judge on ranks, could care less. It does effect the teams though and that is my issue. It already started last night.

You may not want to admit it, but it does.

As for the argument that it is only a little GRIND to get to the next title. I don't like GRIND period. I don't do GRIND period. That is my choice. I am NOT A TITLE HUGGER! I don't care about titles. I just LOVE to play the game.

And yes, I hate to say this, but there are a lot of people in PVE that are that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level.

As for the personal insults, if that is the best you can come up with to defend against a flawed premise, shows that you may need to stay off the sauce a bit and more on the books.

freekedoutfish · Sep 08, 2007, 02:50 PM // 14:50

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

Either you solo the game on a consistent basis or don't play in the harder areas. I don't judge on ranks, could care less. It does effect the teams though and that is my issue. It already started last night.

You may not want to admit it, but it does.

As for the argument that it is only a little GRIND to get to the next title. I don't like GRIND period. I don't do GRIND period. That is my choice. I am NOT A TITLE HUGGER! I don't care about titles. I just LOVE to play the game.

And yes, I hate to say this, but there are a lot of people in PVE that are that arrogant and l33t that they dont choose you because you dont have a set rank level.

As for the personal insults, if that is the best you can come up with to defend against a flawed premise, shows that you may need to stay off the sauce a bit and more on the books.

No my best defence against your notion is that is doesnt happen. I havent solo'd in quite a while, because I wanted to try it with PUGs and I found I enjoyed it.

And in that time (since pve skills were introduced) I havent seen anyone judge another player due to their ranks and question if they owned a certain pve only skills (aside from LB gaze).

If your on about elite zones like FOW, UW and DOA then im not surprised you get that kind of attitude. Thats why I avoid eltie zones because (surprisinly) most people are arrogant prats who want to spend 30 minutes debating why you should change your build.

So no, I dont do hardcore areas like elite zone and maybe thats where your feeling this happen. But yes I do play in harder areas all the time. Throughout all campaigns and GWEN I have never seen someone be rejected or judged based on their rank in a title or whether they owned a pve only kills (aside frm LB gaze).

Even doing all 3 campaigns in HM I never say anyone behave how you are describing. Yes you get complete and utter prats in the game and yes you get some right arrogant fools who want to dictate what build to use.

But I havent once seen anyones title or rank be questioned! The idea of even looking at a persons rank for (for instance) SS, LB, luxon, Norn, Drawf etc etc, never even crossed my mind until you said it.

So that is my defense against you notion that Connecting titles to pve only skills is going to create this l33t attitude of judging people.

My advice to you is that if you experience this kind of thing, tell them to f*** off and go find a decent PUG. Im sorry you seem to have had that experience, but where are you finding these players?

Quite honestly I find it laughable if people are starting to do this, because LB gaze is the only skill in the entire game that could be considered important to use. Any other pve only skills are just nice little touches. If that trend is starting to happen, then i would just tell people to grow up.

But if you give in to that kind of attitude and feel pressured to increase your rank because some moron tells you to, then your not helping the situation. Dont give in to what you say is pressure to grind your titles up. Its your game and if you dont want to use certain skills then dont.

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

So that is my defense against you notion that Connecting titles to pve only skills is going to create this l33t attitude of judging people.

We agree, it is creating a L33t attitude that is effecting the game for the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

My advice to you is that if you experience this kind of thing, tell them to f*** off and go find a decent PUG. Im sorry you seem to have had that experience, but where are you finding these players?

Where is in DOA and FOW now.

freekedoutfish · Sep 08, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

We agree, it is creating a L33t attitude that is effecting the game for the rest of us.

Where is in DOA and FOW now.

I didnt say I was agreeing, because you gave me the impression this was happening throughout the entire game. Now that youve said its happening in DOA and FOW I understand why your experiencing it.

Those are elite zones and bound to be full of l33t prats. Thats generally why I avoid those kind of places because it ruins the fun.

You wont experience that anywhere else because it doest happen anywhere else. Its a shame because you obviously enjoy your elite areas. People just reach a point where they think their style is the only way to play. If you dont meet their standards your a noob. Its sad but true and its mot frequent in l33t areas...

..my advice is do it with guild members and people you trust.

Curar Partida · Sep 08, 2007, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Well dont they need something to fill in the time for wait untill GW2?

BlackSephir · Sep 08, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Why? It's not like there's monthly fee...
Besides, GW was different than other MMOs because there wasn't any grind. Now that grinding has been pretty much introduced (Nightfall, GWEN) why should I even care about GW2-just-another-grindy-MMO?

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

Why? It's not like there's monthly fee...
Besides, GW was different than other MMOs because there wasn't any grind. Now that grinding has been pretty much introduced (Nightfall, GWEN) why should I even care about GW2-just-another-grindy-MMO?

I hope you are wrong with GW2, but, I will wait and see who complains of grind before I purchase.

BlackSephir · Sep 08, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

You know, I'm not trying to play an oracle or somethin, it's just that... well:
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

You know, I'm not trying to play an oracle or somethin, it's just that... well:
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL

I am starting to wonder if all the GOOD GW game developers moved on to other things.

I am also wondering if this is what they teach now in game school on how to make a game.

Maybe Diablo could enlighten us on the state of grind and the direction the industry is headed.

White knight lord · Sep 08, 2007, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by Kinn

Hehehe, it's interesting that you chose that picture because my main character happens to be a female ranger

Anyway, that said, if your enjoyment of the game revolves around what clothes your character is wearing, then that's fairly pathetic.

For me, Guild Wars is all about the mission/quest content, creating cool team builds, coming up with clever skill combinations, and interacting with others.

Well WTH does one do when they want to enjoy GW rather then playing the same story line over again with a different char?! Createing team builds that may or may not work for a PuG/heros/henchies when everyone is all about individuality, thinks they know what is best and don't want to listen? Henchies/heros AI dont even compare to a person especially in GW:EN so that idea is kinda shot. Clever skill combos? Have fun with the Henchies/heros because 90% (the other 10% that will try never plays) of the people Playing GW want a build that will get the job done and not waste time. Interacting with others? Everyone has the heros/henchies anymore so no more interaction with the people you just pick up cuz more or less no one can agree on anything or their head is up their A**. Looks to me the only other thing to do is to make your character look spiffy.

The Last Windseeker · Sep 08, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

You know, I'm not trying to play an oracle or somethin, it's just that... well:
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL

I've been seeing the same trend. It seems with each new game they come out with they just make it contain more and more grind. And sure, some people may like grind or say that the grind within the game is nothing, but to many people the grind is beginning to take away from the fun the game possesses. I'm beginning to feel the same way; I hate all the grind which is starting to appear. It is pointless, repetitious, and not needed in the game. If the Guild Wars teams wishes to add grind into the game then more power to them, but do not add grind as a necessity within the game to move through it or receive the fundamentals such as armor. As the trend is going now, the original purpose of the game is beginning to become lost: A game which grind is not needed. A game where one can just play for fun and casually and still be able to achieve many of the armors and weapons. A game where the 1337 complex present in many players is subdued. That is the game which is beginning to disappear.

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by The Last Windseeker

I've been seeing the same trend. It seems with each new game they come out with they just make it contain more and more grind. And sure, some people may like grind or say that the grind within the game is nothing, but to many people the grind is beginning to take away from the fun the game possesses. I'm beginning to feel the same way; I hate all the grind which is starting to appear. It is pointless, repetitious, and not needed in the game. If the Guild Wars teams wishes to add grind into the game then more power to them, but do not add grind as a necessity within the game to move through it or receive the fundamentals such as armor. As the trend is going now, the original purpose of the game is beginning to become lost: A game which grind is not needed. A game where one can just play for fun and casually and still be able to achieve many of the armors and weapons. A game where the 1337 complex present in many players is subdued. That is the game which is beginning to disappear.

Started to disapear a week ago and going fast. Not much left to do here I guess. Will leave it to the fanboi's to clean up and kiss anet booty. This is one where the only option is to start looking for another game. What choice do we have.

just rude · Sep 09, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by BlackSephir

You know, I'm not trying to play an oracle or somethin, it's just that... well:
Prophecies- no grind
Factions- little grind
Nightfall- more grind
GWEN- XTREME GRINDING EXPERIENCE LOLOOLOL

If you think there was no grind for 1337 armor in prophecies, not only did u not play the game, you are fully kidding yourself.

Where did u get the gold to buy 15k armor in any campaign.

This thread is a joke made by new people.

close it

Jongo River · Sep 09, 2007, 05:42 AM // 05:42

Casual player wealth has increased a lot since Prophecies. It's a couple of months saving and entirely normal play (no farming, beyond NF treasure runs) to afford a prestige armour.

I took over the character I wanted to get Norn armour for - I was well beyond bored by 2K of point farming.

I'm done with Guildwars for now - I might check back in six months and see if anything has improved, but beyond that I'm not wasting my time on this garbage anymore.

lord dragon · Sep 09, 2007, 06:24 AM // 06:24

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

Casual player wealth has increased a lot since Prophecies. It's a couple of months saving and entirely normal play (no farming, beyond NF treasure runs) to afford a prestige armour.

I took over the character I wanted to get Norn armour for - I was well beyond bored by 2K of point farming.

I'm done with Guildwars for now - I might check back in six months and see if anything has improved, but beyond that I'm not wasting my time on this garbage anymore.

I am very sorry to see you go. Another one lost the the pointless C, Spacebar metality.

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

freekedoutfish · Sep 09, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by lord dragon

I am very sorry to see you go. Another one lost the the pointless C, Spacebar metality.

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

So many people are talking about leaving GWs because apparently its unplayable now. WTF?

Why are people only focusing on the non-essential grind aspects of GWEN, and yet no one is talking about the new locations, outposts, dungeons, quests, skills and hours of new content?

There is far more to GWs and GWEN then just the non-essential stuff you can grind for. I personally think this shows the mentality of players in GWs over the years. People are more and more bothered about being able to easily access those purely athetic items or collectable items which might make them look nicer or their gameplay a bit more fun.

But their not essential to the game.

Lets ignore the hours and months of new gameplay that has been added to keep us entertained. Lets ignore the effort Anet put in and jut focus on the stuff thats not even important to completing the game or the storyline.

Its a bit sad that people seem to want to focus on the negative side of things and leave the game, when there are alot more positive things been added.

All this talk about grind pushing people away from the game is sad, because these things which people are complaining they need grind for are not necessities.

New armor, prestige armor, weapons and pve only skills arent needed to play the game. Their just nice little touches that make it a bit more fun. So just because it takes some effort (OMG reachin rank 5 which is sooo hard to do < sarcasm), you complain and leave?

Im on rank 5 on all races except vanguard and thats only after a week of playing!! Be realistic people. I now have access to most everything and I dont even want to use the pve only skills or even like the armors or the prestiage stuff.

And no, im not a hard core player who lives and breaths GWs and is on every day for 24 hours. So dont bother making those comments!

The simple fact is that once you get passed that rank 5 barrier (which is not hard and stop saying it is), you have access to everything and then its like playing any of the other campaigns where you just need gold and materials and to find locations.