Curse

tyche7 · Sep 04, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

/signed for GW:EN having rediculously too much GRIND

Mordakai · Sep 04, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

PS: Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall didn't require title grinding and you still get the armor, I don't see why this requires titles and the armors arent that great either. It's Frustration to those who actually have a life and don't have much time to grind.

technically, Factions does require Grind to get armor. You need to have at least 10k (each!) in Faction to get the Elite Luxon and Kurzick armor.

So, this is not new. In fact, I'd rather have to earn some Norn points and feel like I "earned" the armor, than just buy high-end armor at the beginning of the game.

It's not like it's FoW armor hard to get...

Tamuril elansar · Sep 04, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

seems obvious to me that you need to do at least a single thing to get armor, why be lazy? you cant get rewarded for doing nothing...
you need to grind for FoW armor as well, and i think getting a few dwarven points is harder than getting a huge amount of money (except when you use ebay or whatever ofcourse). i like the armors in GW:EN, shows its not all about money...

Arcain · Sep 04, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

technically, Factions does require Grind to get armor. You need to have at least 10k (each!) in Faction to get the Elite Luxon and Kurzick armor.

The Kurzick / Luxon grind is easy, I can get 10k in a few minutes in AB, depending on what zone it is in. Even without any pvp, the 10k is easy to get running the quests.

Buster · Sep 04, 2007, 08:30 PM // 20:30

I understand how people feel about grind but the fact is that we have over a year until GW2. As it is now there is no level advancement and Guild Wars is centered around lvl 20 content. So yeah the grind as people call it getting armor,titles and weapons is the only way to go until we get level advancement. I know for some this is different but what other option is there ? I don't know what ther options there is myself since I am used to level advancement but this grind is nothing compared to other mmo's out on
the market.

White knight lord · Sep 04, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Ok I have skimmed through this post and here are my thoughts.
Why should we have to grind for armor? Never had to in Factions to get luxon or kurzick,never had to grind in the sulfer wastes for aincent,hilands to get vabbian or marga coast areas to get sunspear.Never had to grind around droks, grotto, or citadel for those armors. So why should we have to waste time grinding? (I have wasted time grinding and anyway you do it it gets old and very boring very quick.) Kinn~ I like to have my chars represent me in someway, its part of the whole "costomization" process and I do not like to look like everyone else with 1k armors and imo look like a hobo(in some cases[no offense]) I put time into my chars and I like to show that(even if it is the mindless grinding the same things over and over).Mordakai~ since your getting all technical, the individual is grinding for a quest to advance through the game, you get that you get armor as a bonus. The 1st time through a player didn't know that they had to get the 10k for armor, the common player just did the quest to get through the game did they not? FoW is not that hard to get a casual player can get FoW if they just save up by going through the campaigns (depening on drops).That is my opinion on this topic people don't like them well tough cookies

lakatz · Sep 04, 2007, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Kinn

There is more to the game than playing dress-up with your little dolls. Enjoy the game, use 1k Droks, and be freeeeeeee!

Here's a no-brainer for you (and this is based on my priorities of course)...

<--- Drok's? Norn? --->

Doh... Norn!!!

Loviatar · Sep 04, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

FoW is not that hard to get a casual player can get FoW if they just save up by going through the campaigns (depening on drops).That is my opinion on this topic people don't like them well tough cookies

all right please tell us all where you get all those ectos and shards as a casual player going through the campaigns.

lets hear the secret of casual play FOW armor

Zeek Aran · Sep 04, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

all right please tell us all where you get all those ectos and shards as a casual player going through the campaigns.

lets hear the secret of casual play FOW armor

Why should a casual player get FoW armor? The adjective 'casual' usually means 'no FoW for you kthxbai'.

Anyway...

If you beat the game once, could someone post an approximate number of how much faction you get per place without farming? I haven't farmed Asuran, and I'm up to 15k. The grind is minor in my opinion. I can't see why people complain when the game has been out less than a week, since SO MANY PEOPLE already have each armor.

quickmonty · Sep 04, 2007, 10:40 PM // 22:40

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

all right please tell us all where you get all those ectos and shards as a casual player going through the campaigns.

lets hear the secret of casual play FOW armor

E-Bay!!

If you can't E-Bay it, then it's a grind.

Seriously, I have no problems with the way it is now. If I want the armor I will work for it, just like I work for things in RL that I want.

Grind=working 50 hours a week just to pay the bills and have a little left over for some nice things. GW=relaxing after a hard day at work.

White knight lord · Sep 04, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

all right please tell us all where you get all those ectos and shards as a casual player going through the campaigns.

lets hear the secret of casual play FOW armor

It is sad....but I predicted someone wouldn't understand or come at me with a dumb remark..Ok Loviatar it is very simple there are two answers to your question. 1)Buy shards and ectos from Rare material Trader 2). 1.Play the game 2.save money from drops 3. sell valuable items (if you get any). 4.Buy shards,ectos, and Materials 5.enjoy. 5 simple steps anyone could have done from the begining and still can.

Loviatar · Sep 04, 2007, 11:01 PM // 23:01

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

It is sad....but I predicted someone wouldn't understand or come at me with a dumb remark..Ok Loviatar it is very simple there are two answers to your question. 1)Buy shards and ectos from Rare material Trader 2). 1.Play the game 2.save money from drops 3. sell valuable items (if you get any). 4.Buy shards,ectos, and Materials 5.enjoy. 5 simple steps anyone could have done from the begining and still can.

most people including the most careful spenders even with a few very good drops simply do not get enough gold over the 3 campaigns to buy them from the rare materials trader especially before the very recent price drop on them.

for most of that time they were at least 7k each.

if that much gold dropped you would have FOW all over without ebay

darktyco · Sep 04, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

The skills should not be tied to the title grinds unless they max out at an extremely low level. A grind should not be reward players with a playing advantage in any way.

Pretty armor and weapons tied to title grinds? If it is cosmetic I don't really care what the requirements are.

GenobeeX · Sep 04, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

/Signed for No or less grind. Even if it was lowered to at least enuff faction that I could do by completing the quest for that side or playing through the game. I dont have lots of time like some people to sit around and farm all day! Some people have jobs and other thing to attend to, the game is for the average gamer anyways. Also as for the dwarfern warrior armor I want, I already have to basicly beat the whole game, why should I have to farm to get the armor too!

lord dragon · Sep 04, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

The other issue is that GWEN is farrr TOO small a game. If it was 2 or 3 times the size and the armor was located further into the game, and it required hours of playtime to reach it, I might agree the ranks were unneeded. But because GWEN is sooo small in terms of gameplay, Anet had to add something to keep us working.

That is the whole point. The game is so bad, that there is no replayability, hence we needed to add grind to make up for our bad product. Proves what I have been saying all along.

lakatz · Sep 04, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

I guess this clip is appropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxULYcZlEuM

Thank you so much for that brief moment of Gilda Radner. *smoooooooooch*

pingu666 · Sep 05, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

difference in factions was a)account based, b)doing all the quests could net u the required 10k (on kurzick side, luxon has less for no apprent reason). plus theres AB,FA, and a couple of really quick repeatables.

Doucet · Sep 05, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Oh for god sake! Its just 26k points you need to earn for rank 5 and that takes virtually NO effort at all and a tiny amount of farming.

I reached rank 7 Norn on the preview event from just farming, when the rank needed for armor was alot higher.

You can probably make 3-4k in one area of the map from just killing a few creatures several times. You also get 100-750 points from dungeons and quests, so just replay quests if you dont like farming. And if you dont like doing quests and dungeons why are you playing the game?

FFS if I can manage that in 2 days, then any muppet can reach 26k points. Have you even checked guildwiki.net and saw the new armor? its all absolutely stupid and re-hashed and your not missing anything anyway.

People already winged about this after the preview when you originally needed rank 7 and it got reduceded to rank 5, so be greatfull and just put some effort in.

If you dont want to work for the 4 new armor sets in GWEN, you are more then welcome to go buy one of the dozen alternative armor sets throughout GWs.

GWEN isnt that big a game, and if Anet had simply given the armor away without needing ranks, then people would have nothing to work for. Anet had to incourage people to increase reputation ranks, because otherwise why have 3 non-human races?

Just stop winging and earn those points, and as for an MMO having grind in it. Have you played other MMOs? They all have grind in them, and it cant be avoided! How and why people think its possible to create an MMO without any grind is beyond me!

I dont love farming either and I hate grinding the same zone over and over again, but im willing to endure that because I dont mind working for stuff.

Id just like to say that this guy knows his stuff. I see him constantly making valid arguments over everybody whining about this grind situation and other little GW:EN arguments. Listen to the man. you guys keep sitting here on guru complaining that the grinding is too much because you all too lazy to go out and repeat an area clearing it out maybe..10 times is what it takes. You go out, get the shrine buff, go kill 100, go back, each shrine will grant you 100 points (or more), various upgrades that gives you more points per kill, boss hunt bonus(basically if you slay a boss within the time limit, you gain 200 points, something like that). Doing Vanguard is a breeze. Your all complaining over absolutely nothing. The armor is prestige, it is not required for you to get in anyway whatsoever, all it takes to get it is getting the r5 through repeating an area a few times, so what..you want the armor? work for it and stop complaining.

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

You dont ask for something to be removed, because the way you earn it doesnt work. You ask them to improve how you earn it!

^ Best solution to it that I can see. ArenaNet will eventually add more ways to get the titles easier. just give them some time. The game has been out for less than a week at this point, cut the company some slack and go do some dungeons.

Div · Sep 05, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Stupid post. All EOTN armors are elite armors, similar to Obsidian armor, where you'd have to do something extra besides just playing through the game on a very casual level. And plus, rank 5 is pretty easy if you just do the quests and dungeons.

VitisVinifera · Sep 05, 2007, 03:10 AM // 03:10

it's pretty simple.....due to lack of much volume or depth of content, anet passes grind off on us as 'replayability'

this is *especially* true with EotN.......how long till the dungeons get old?