Curse

Keifru · Sep 16, 2007, 03:38 AM // 03:38

You could always turn up your gamma.

In other news, you could bring a little extra random condition removal on a hero (or yourself)
My derv seems to have no problem; Maybe I should actually go out and get sand shards and play with that for awile.

daky · Sep 16, 2007, 05:38 AM // 05:38

Get your character a blind fold and save the enemy ai a spell.

~Unfaithful

Seraphic Divinity · Sep 16, 2007, 06:16 AM // 06:16

Wow the OP is being all defensive and particular and just ranting... chill man.

Hmmm... let's see... 3 monks... Condition management Paragon... Earth Ele (most likely warder/damage)

ok, so you have 3 heal/prot and 2 passive healers/prots.... meaning you're main damage comes from 3 people, -that- might be your problem.

I rolled through all the dungeons thus far with 6 Savannah Heat eles and 2 monks... granted I had a partner with heroes with me, but still.

If you want to FORCE your team to revolve around your assassin, then maybe Xinrae's Weapon, have some nukers in your party, 2 MS+ 2 Sav Heats from heroes = gg softies.

Mickey · Sep 16, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Can i just say. Your a moron. Try a single RC in Shards of Orr, see how far it gets you.

Well. I tried it out. And guess what, it worked. Because, you know, RC removes conditions, and guess what, blind is a condition, and also guess what...with proper aggro....any dungeon is easy.

Edit: You've given me alot of suggestions, and the first time you were definitely right, but this time, idk, maybe I was lucky, my monk hero was like an RC/Infuser on crack, so meh.

Shakkara · Sep 16, 2007, 08:04 AM // 08:04

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Originally Posted by Mickey

Well. I tried it out. And guess what, it worked. Because, you know, RC removes conditions, and guess what, blind is a condition, and also guess what...with proper aggro....any dungeon is easy.

Edit: You've given me alot of suggestions, and the first time you were definitely right, but this time, idk, maybe I was lucky, my monk hero was like an RC/Infuser on crack, so meh.

And I had TWO RC monks and I was STILL blinded and couldn't get through level 3 of Shards of Orr because of it, so I think you pulled that one out of a place on your lower back.

Keifru · Sep 16, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13

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Originally Posted by Shakkara

And I had TWO RC monks and I was STILL blinded and couldn't get through level 3 of Shards of Orr because of it, so I think you pulled that one out of a place on your lower back.

His tailbone?

But 2 RC monks is just a tad much imo. the only condition removal I had was...wait, I didn't have any condition removal! =/
(I'm smart like that ^_^;; )

blue.rellik · Sep 16, 2007, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Ursan Blessing

Use it

mcsumo · Sep 16, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

I am having trouble remembering how I did this. It really wasn't that hard and I am a ranger (blind not good). Pretty sure I went with my standard 'IDK WTF I am gonna meet in here' H/H crew of 2 SF eles, RC/prot Tahlkora (she rocks), Devona, Talon, Mhenlo and Lina. I am gonna try it now then report back.

SotiCoto I have really enjoyed reading this thread and your posts....I will gladly team up with you and if you are rude I will be rude right back. I think it could be fun so catch me in game if you want to do team for anything.

SotiCoto · Sep 16, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by Mickey

R. C. Hero Monk.

Kthxbye.

Hint: Dunkoro is awesome at it.

First thing I tried.
You fail.

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Originally Posted by Simath

There are a lot of people here who ask for help and get helpful replies. It's just that your post are usually full of stupid thus leading to us saying you can't play.

Dimwitted individuals like yourself often have an ironic measure of difficulty determining whose are the stupid posts and which aren't.
Hint 1: use a mirror.
Hint 2: use scissors on your net cable.

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Originally Posted by Craywulf

SotiCoto,

I've read a couple complaint threads from you and you are quick to lash out to ArenaNet. Its understandable but there comes a time when you need to realize the problem isn't the game, its the way you are playing the game. I think by now you should have greater understanding of the need to alter your builds and tactics accordingly.

As you can see there is plenty of help in this thread, along with the putdowns aimed at you. There would be less of the latter if you'd show little more willingness to change your builds and tactics. Please understand that not every advice is going to work, Guild Wars is always evolving in terms of builds, so there is always something to learn and improve on.

All I ask is that you channel your frustration in a diplomatic manner, Otherwise people are going continue to label you as stubborn, and poor player because of it.

Wisdom is conquered with patience.

I'd be more than willing to change my team build if those I requested help from were more willing to tell me how it is done.... or what changes need to be made.

Instead what they have done is the directional equivalent of "somewhere over there.... or maybe over there..." ... i.e. useless... AND I expect they know it. There have only been a few actually helpful posts here at all...

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Originally Posted by mcsumo

I am having trouble remembering how I did this. It really wasn't that hard and I am a ranger (blind not good). Pretty sure I went with my standard 'IDK WTF I am gonna meet in here' H/H crew of 2 SF eles, RC/prot Tahlkora (she rocks), Devona, Talon, Mhenlo and Lina. I am gonna try it now then report back.

SotiCoto I have really enjoyed reading this thread and your posts....I will gladly team up with you and if you are rude I will be rude right back. I think it could be fun so catch me in game if you want to do team for anything.

Suits me fine. Everything I do ends up being rude to someone.... but all I really want is to get the job done. I want to get the damned Shards of Orr out of the way and get on to the next dungeon.
Any help with that would be appreciated.

Auron of Neon · Sep 16, 2007, 12:59 PM // 12:59

I just have to say; be less bad. RC has a 2-second recharge. RC on one monk and Dismiss on the other is plenty; if you are still having trouble with conditions, you need to stop tanking eruption.

Also, bring a MM? A nuker or five? Easy ways to win, all immune to blind. There are so many options other than running a full-melee team with not enough condi removal that you shouldn't even be trying it.

SotiCoto · Sep 16, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

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Originally Posted by Auron of Neon

I just have to say; be less bad.

And I just have to say: be less stupid.
Since neither one of us can fulfill the other's request, I'd recommend not bothering to say anysuch again.

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RC has a 2-second recharge. RC on one monk and Dismiss on the other is plenty; if you are still having trouble with conditions, you need to stop tanking eruption.

All well and good in theory... but I can't keep an eye on the castings of 4 Skeletal Wizards at the same time to avoid one of them either casting Eruption or Blinding Surge on me.
Those two condition removals are NOT plenty by any stretch of the imagination... and I say that from personal experience. I've tried it... AND more.

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Also, bring a MM?

Not enough corpses

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A nuker or five?

One or two maybe, but I'd need more defense than you seem to presume I would.

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Easy ways to win, all immune to blind.

Sadly not immune to damage.... especially when it is due to bad AI and running into poison jet-streams in some places. I'm really starting to hate my heroes.

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There are so many options other than running a full-melee team with not enough condi removal that you shouldn't even be trying it.

Paragons aren't melee... Monks aren't melee... Earth elementalists aren't melee.... And there is condition removal riddled throughout.
I'm not saying I disagree with you entirely. There are MANY options, though 99% of them would end in failure... It is coming across that remaining 1% that is giving me difficulty.

stamenflicker · Sep 16, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by Shakkara

And I had TWO RC monks and I was STILL blinded and couldn't get through level 3 of Shards of Orr because of it, so I think you pulled that one out of a place on your lower back.

I did Shards with one RS monk and two smiters, along with some various hench. It was easy.

Lagg · Sep 16, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

Deadly Paradox, Arcane Echo, Shadow Form.

Prot Monk with RC for touch skills such as Throw Dirt.

If you can't kill everything within the Shadow Form chain, you're victoriously challenged.

SotiCoto · Sep 16, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by Lagg

Deadly Paradox, Arcane Echo, Shadow Form.

Prot Monk with RC for touch skills such as Throw Dirt.

If you can't kill everything within the Shadow Form chain, you're victoriously challenged.

Shadow Form is for chest-running and boss-farming.
Shadow Form is not for general PvE.

Furthermore Shadow Form won't do squat against Eruption because it doesn't need to target me to blind me.

Burst Cancel · Sep 16, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

I say it's time to break out Sand Shards!!111! Grab a scythe, crank earth to max, put on Critical Agility and pwnz0rz!

Actually, I'm only half-joking about Sand Shards. It's potentially 63 damage a swing to all nearby foes at 12 Earth Prayers. Granted, it's not incredible damage, but it's a decent way to get consistent DPS under constant blind. The irony here is that you wouldn't want blind removed, so you might have to take out or disable condition removal on your monks :P.

Those going on about condition removal need to cut it out, frankly. It doesn't help to remove blinds if they're reapplied immediately after. Blind immunity via Sight Beyond Sight, Melandru's, etc. is the only solidly effective response if you actually want to keep blinds off. Well that, or just killing/disrupting the ****ers blinding you.

Actually - I wonder if running a choking gas ranger would make any difference in Shards. If you ball them all up, maybe. No guarantees that a hero can play it correctly though.

An alternative is to run Crit Barrage and always send in a hero warrior first to absorb the blinds. If you stay as far back as possible (bring a longbow, obviously), this should keep you relatively blind-free most of the time.

Another way to do it is to time your attacks to coincide with blind removals. In other words, select a target and just auto-attack it, even when blind, and watch your effects monitor. The moment blind comes off, hit your attack skill. In GvG, this is usually coordinated in reverse (i.e., the blind removal is timed to the spike), but you can't exactly get your heroes to do that. Downside is that you still spend most of your time doing no damage, but at least you won't be entirely useless.

Verteiron · Sep 16, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

My 'sin uses Plague Touch if the monk heroes are having trouble removing the blindness. Really, that's about it. Other than that, I just try to stay out of Eruption. If a particularly enemy is continually re-applying Blind then I'll attack something else and come back to it later. Blindness does suck for 'sins, since it interrupts our energy flow but an ounce of prevention is worth a point of cure, as some tiresome person once said.

Retribution X · Sep 16, 2007, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Shadow Form is for chest-running and boss-farming.
Shadow Form is not for general PvE.

Furthermore Shadow Form won't do squat against Eruption because it doesn't need to target me to blind me.

I love Shadow Form in PvE. it's fun with a good build.

But really, try OwBR45hH5mXgaNJGE7NjxB for an assassin build. tis a nice deadly arts build.

mcsumo · Sep 16, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Well that was spectacularly unfun. I got to Fendi in good shape, but his crew seem to have hit the steroids since I was last there. When the soul appears you have to ignore the the damned crewmen and use the small window of opportunity to damage him. Which means a load of spirits around you and then 6xDestructive Was Glaive spike!! Then when he turns back again, 6 rangers appear who spike kill monks and eles. Was up to 60dp very quickly and reduced to running from the rez shrine to the bridge pulling him over and doing as much damage as poss before the next party wipe. Got there in the end though...Thank God the soul doesn't regen!

Anyway I got there by flagging H/H well back then using my bow to pull. The wizards have been watching Zhed and are determined to run miles from healers to get shock off, so we picked them off 1 or 2 at a time. Brute groups I ranger tanked (WD ...pray....Throw Dirt...pray some more). The offer still stands, SotiCoto, I would be happy to team with you for it. I guess if I use the same tactic to pull them, then you dive in and rip the hell out of them, we should be ok. You will certainly be more effective than Talon and we can set up your ele and 2 monk heroes with better builds than Lina, mhenlo and Cynn use.

I was only joking about being rude btw, I am not easily offended and I reckon we will get on fine.

<<IGN

Simath · Sep 16, 2007, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Dimwitted individuals like yourself often have an ironic measure of difficulty determining whose are the stupid posts and which aren't.
Hint 1: use a mirror.
Hint 2: use scissors on your net cable.

You...are in denial. Your posts are utter crap. Have you ever considered why people troll them and flame them? The answer is because you make yourself such an irresistible target.

Hint 1: Find a belt to tie around your neck.
Hint 2: Use scissors on your wrist.

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Not enough corpses

Then get better at killing things.

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

One or two maybe, but I'd need more defense than you seem to presume I would.

A good offense is a good defense.

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Paragons aren't melee... Monks aren't melee... Earth elementalists aren't melee.... And there is condition removal riddled throughout.
I'm not saying I disagree with you entirely. There are MANY options, though 99% of them would end in failure... It is coming across that remaining 1% that is giving me difficulty.

Paragons are physicals and blind effects physicals. GG. 99% failure? I don't think so. What is it you like to say? Fail @ Conclusion

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

I'd be more than willing to change my team build if those I requested help from were more willing to tell me how it is done.... or what changes need to be made.

People did try to help but you were to stubborn. So it is your fault you don't get help. Try to think of that next time you decide to make a new thread.

Viruzzz · Sep 16, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

if something is being spammed on you it makes it easy to disable, if you miss it once just wait a few seconds and you get another chance at interrupting, either with diversion and add a minute to the recharge, or distracting shot and add 20 seconds.

If you're running a group build that doesn't work under blind you need to rethink your build.