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Curse You · Sep 19, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by stueyman2099

Are you retarded or somthing? serious question. As far as I'm concerned, it's a monster only skill until it shows up on the priest of balthazaar. If it's obtainable otherwise, it's a bug.

When was the last time you saw a monster skill with a linked attribute? Sure this could be the first monster skill like this, but it's even odder that it even has a ranger-style skill icon.

Am I retarded? No. Perhaps if you removed your head from a certain hole, you might have known this.

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

can you locate the skill with the priest of balthazar? can you unlock it using faction?

if the answers to both questions are no, then what does it remain?

It means you're making an assumption, as there has be no official statement about this skill's status.

It could very easily be bugged, however, that can mean two things.
First, the description could be wrong and it isn't actually a marksmanship skill. This is most likely.
Second, it could be a ranger skill, but it is just bugged and so isn't available to players. The problem with this theory however, is it would mean that rangers would get 1 extra EotN skill. Except, there is the fact that warriors have their own extra armour set, making an extra ranger skill somewhat probable.

AW Lore · Sep 19, 2007, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Curse You

It means you're making an assumption, as there has be no official statement about this skill's status.

It could very easily be bugged, however, that can mean two things.
First, the description could be wrong and it isn't actually a marksmanship skill. This is most likely.
Second, it could be a ranger skill, but it is just bugged and so isn't available to players. The problem with this theory however, is it would mean that rangers would get 1 extra EotN skill. Except, there is the fact that warriors have their own extra armour set, making an extra ranger skill somewhat probable.

and youre also making an assumption that its a player skill.
before the expansion came out, the skills available to each proffession were added to the wiki, how many of them where not them?

i dont see why the description is wrong, its a monster skill tied to markmanship, why is it tied to it? perhaps the creator of the monster (and maybe the skill) was intending to make all the ranger destroyers to have it, but they (as there are two class of ranger's destroyers and the two of them could have varying ammounts of attribute points placed on the markmanship attribute) changed their minds and decided to make it that only one has it, and prefferred not to change the skill wording-function, but removed it from the other class.
why it has its own skill icon instead of the generic "monster skill"? maybe the creator got a little bit of extra time to mess around with it

or perhaps he did the skill before making the destroyers.
also, the destroyers of horde come in lvl 15 (mentioned in the wiki, maybe from the challenge to defend the hatchling dragon?) it would be "interesting" that, if the skill was placed as a monster only skill, and the lvl 15 had access to it, they would deal the same damage as those from lvl 28, as most monster skills deal the same damage/function regardless of lvl and/or class; this would be a first of its class, ie having it linked to an attribute.

as it stands now, its a monster only skill. when and IF they say its bugged and decide to add it (making 151 skills instead of 150) then it will become a player's skill.

lakatz · Sep 19, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

How do you propose a skill name change? Sardelac?

There may be a method to the madness of naming a monster-only skill the same as a player skill, but since I can't see it (or until I can), I propose changing the name of the monster-only skill from Splinter Shot to Ricochet Shot.

Archaic · Sep 19, 2007, 11:45 PM // 23:45

I don't see any reason for alarm. Perhaps it's a PvE only skill to be introduced at a later date. OR, It's simply a linked monster skill, the reason being they wanted to control the damage it does. Very simple, really, and again, no cause for alarm.

Curse You · Sep 19, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

also, the destroyers of horde come in lvl 15 (mentioned in the wiki, maybe from the challenge to defend the hatchling dragon?) it would be "interesting" that, if the skill was placed as a monster only skill, and the lvl 15 had access to it, they would deal the same damage as those from lvl 28, as most monster skills deal the same damage/function regardless of lvl and/or class; this would be a first of its class, ie having it linked to an attribute.

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Originally Posted by Archaic

I don't see any reason for alarm. Perhaps it's a PvE only skill to be introduced at a later date. OR, It's simply a linked monster skill, the reason being they wanted to control the damage it does. Very simple, really, and again, no cause for alarm.

Then they could have easily done the same thing as what was done with the monster skill [wiki]Turtle Shell[/wiki] and simply made the damage dependent on the monster's level.

This skill is a complete anomaly as it stands, hinting strongly that it is bugged.

Mister O · Sep 20, 2007, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Mister O

It is not a monster's skill or PvE skill since its attribute is set to marksmanship, and we can't buy it or unlock it through priest of Balthazar.

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

can you locate the skill with the priest of balthazar? can you unlock it using faction?

if the answers to both questions are no, then what does it remain?

I did mention that it couldn't be found at priest of balthazar, but it may be because of both skills have the same name so we can't find the other 'splinter shot'.

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Originally Posted by Archaic

I don't see any reason for alarm. Perhaps it's a PvE only skill to be introduced at a later date. OR, It's simply a linked monster skill, the reason being they wanted to control the damage it does. Very simple, really, and again, no cause for alarm.

It cannot be a PvE skill since PvE skill has its attribute set to a PvE title. If it is a monster's skill, it should be mentioned 'Monster only'.

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Originally Posted by lakatz

How do you propose a skill name change? Sardelac?

There may be a method to the madness of naming a monster-only skill the same as a player skill, but since I can't see it (or until I can), I propose changing the name of the monster-only skill from Splinter Shot to Ricochet Shot.

Having this skill linked to Marksmanship and have a ranger's skill like icon is rather confussing. I was searching through all 3 campaigns just to get this 'awesome but not overpowered' skill.

If this skill isnt mean to let us players have it, then I would like a skill description/icon change.

Archaic · Sep 20, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Curse You

Then they could have easily done the same thing as what was done with the monster skill [wiki]Turtle Shell[/wiki] and simply made the damage dependent on the monster's level.

This skill is a complete anomaly as it stands, hinting strongly that it is bugged.

While I think your entitled to your own interpretation of this. I still think it's just a skill, and no real reason for alarm, as long as the skill doesn't seriously affect your PvE play experience.

DarkNecrid · Sep 20, 2007, 12:57 AM // 00:57

I think this is what Splinter Shot was back in beta for Factions, and they added the wrong type to this monster by accident.

windtalker · Sep 20, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

For argument's sake, I completely agree with Curse You. This skill appears as a bug to me, and I don't see why you would argue otherwise. In several aspects, it is an anomaly. First, it being tied to a player-obtainable attribute. Second, it having a "normal-skill-looking" icon, as opposed to the uniquely-colored and drawn monster skill icons.

No other monster skills have these two qualities, and all other non-monster skills are available through either PvE or PvP means of acquisition, or both.

Wacky · Sep 20, 2007, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Has anyone tried getting it temporarily with Simple Thievery? If it was really a "monster skill" it shouldn't be obtainable in this manner, but if it was a bugged player skill then you could.

Kale Ironfist · Sep 20, 2007, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Monsters have attributes too, so I don't see this as an anomaly. Besides, plenty of other Monster Skills have skill icons other than the standard monster face.

Government Flu · Sep 20, 2007, 05:23 AM // 05:23

I'm sure one of the developers setting up the monster AI and skill sets was very tired one night and instead of placing the monster only skill icon, he added an icon from a proposed ranger skill that never made it to the official tally.

And then...without warning...

A thread began to grow...

:0

What will be the final result?!

Curse You · Sep 20, 2007, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

Monsters have attributes too, so I don't see this as an anomaly. Besides, plenty of other Monster Skills have skill icons other than the standard monster face.

Except all other monster skills have icons that reflect the species of the user, not their profession. Also, find me 1 other monster skill that is linked to an attribute.

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

I think this is what Splinter Shot was back in beta for Factions, and they added the wrong type to this monster by accident.

Nope, nothing like the original splinter shot. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki?title=S...t&oldid=104152

Kale Ironfist · Sep 20, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by Curse You

Except all other monster skills have icons that reflect the species of the user, not their profession.

And so this one also has to have an icon that depicts a Destroyer? I don't see why it has to be done that way, considering that only one type of Destroyer uses it.

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Also, find me 1 other monster skill that is linked to an attribute.

What does this have to do with anything? All monsters have attributes, and they wanted the skill to vary with attribute, who cares if there is no other monster skill that varies with attribute?

zwei2stein · Sep 20, 2007, 06:21 AM // 06:21

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

And so this one also has to have an icon that depicts a Destroyer? I don't see why it has to be done that way, considering that only one type of Destroyer uses it.

What does this have to do with anything? All monsters have attributes, and they wanted the skill to vary with attribute, who cares if there is no other monster skill that varies with attribute?

This skill is unique compared to all other monster skills. You really cant dismiss it being tied to attribute and having correct icon and generally behaving like player skill that easily.

Simple thievery should give some interesting results, anyone tried it yet?

Kale Ironfist · Sep 20, 2007, 11:21 AM // 11:21

The point I'm trying to get across is that, whether through having a Ranger-like skill icon or affected by attributes, it's not a bug or anomaly.

It exists as it is and there is nothing inherently wrong with having it like that. Whether it's a monster skill or not is debatable, but it is likely a monster skill, as, most importantly, it is NOT on the GW:EN list of obtainable skills that Isaiah Cartwright put up on the GWW as a preview. Considering the revisions he had already made to them based on player input as to the relative strengths of the skills versus those already in the game at the time, I don't think he'd miss a skill like this.

RTSFirebat · Sep 20, 2007, 12:10 PM // 12:10

Ok here what we need to be asking:

1. Are there any bosses that use this skill?

2. Can it be "captured" with Simple thievery?

mike_ · Sep 20, 2007, 12:19 PM // 12:19

The only Ranger destroyer boss is
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Storm_of_Destruction

RTSFirebat · Sep 20, 2007, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by mike_

The only Ranger destroyer boss is
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Storm_of_Destruction

Anyone who ingame now want to see if this guy has this skill?

RTSFirebat · Sep 21, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Well since no one else could be bothered, I went out and killed the Storm of Destruction.

I can confirm that he DOES use this strange skill, but it cannot be caputed

The following screenshot proves it: