Curse

Mr.Deflok · Aug 28, 2007, 09:46 AM // 09:46

/MEGA-SIGNED

cra2sh · Aug 28, 2007, 09:53 AM // 09:53

/signed

I was especting more from the HoM :/

evilkingsky · Aug 28, 2007, 09:58 AM // 09:58

/signed it sucks right now

sassoonssamson · Aug 28, 2007, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Green Aluminum

Also, anyone else find it funny that there hasn't been a post by a Anet employ or community manager during/after the preview week reguarding Eye of the North? Or did I not look hard enough?

i wanted to say the same thing.We should all write our comments
Anet will notice it

When I was going to HOM I was like

OMG here it comes Wow Great , Wowiie ,Time to rest back and see your hard work paid off ,HEre I come

By the time I was using HOM

Oh no sh*t F**K I customised my mini pet gwen to my character and its character based not acount based

Finish missions come back with 1 more tapestry
Ah my warrior armor
What the hell what the bug in the vid scene i am seeing a female assasin
Recheck Paragons ...OMG

It should be renamed HOM ( HALL OF MISTAKES)

1) You are a PVE r and not PVP .....slap

2) Character based So what just buy 20 minis for each of your character . ....slap

3) Upgrade your heroes Armor. /slap

4) You are 33 years old you work are married and have kids so what if u can afford to buy games but you cannot spend time grinding for titles, u dont deserve to show your accomplishments /slap

5) You are a moron if you fell for all the hype that was generated for HOM
that was just a bait for you to fall for the pre order /slap.

6) What the hell Why do u expect to see your own armor MORON that u can see on the computer screen when u log in .You should see what you dont have thats more important /slap

silz · Aug 28, 2007, 10:18 AM // 10:18

/Signed

However I would like to clarrify a few things as I see them.

As one of those PvE's who has 12 characters, all level 20, and all have completed at least 2 of the campaigns, I have concetrated on one so far as titles are concerned, but my Warrior who is my primary character could not go back and get Legendary Survivor of LDoA.

With this in mind, I accept that pooling all 12 characters titles into an account based HoM and then have any character I create in GW2 inheriting the bonus' is unrealisitic. I would however think that for one selected character in GW2, inheriting all the acheivements is plausable. Once one character has inherited the lot, then I accept thats it, I've got my inheritence, and I can not re-use the same titles over and over again. Why not let me choose to inheret all benfits onto one main toon, and let any others I create inherit nothing?

Sure it's almost forcing me ahead of time to concentrate on one primary character in GW2, and I would need to choose that character carefully at the outset, but it would seem to provide a potential compromise solution to everything I have read.

Input to HoM in GW:EN on whole Account -----> Output once only to a Character in GW2

Mini's being customised to an account rather then per character, does seem a little excessive. Again a compromise? Only allow the mini to be added to one HoM, when they are customise to the account so they can not be sold or passed on outside the account, and also have the customisation prevent it being added to another HoM?

The armor? It's not elegant in its current format, but ultimately, provided the "bonus" in GW2 is available, am I that bothered about the asthetic properties in the HoM? Not really, so its not a big issue with me.

Weapons? Yes, I'm a little disappointed that I can not add my full set of Zodiac's in (Two shields (Str and Tactics) Sword, Axe, Hammer, Staff, and bow), but the way I see it, at least there is a monument there I can work on

The biggie for me I guess is the lack of PvE titles in the system at the moment. If that can be resolved, even if it is a full per character as it is, the majority of my acheivements can be placed on display and "inheritted", heck I only bothered with one character in the main with "People Know Me" from the Protector, Cartographer, Tyrian Elite Skill, LB, SS title tracks, with others well under way (I can live without the Survivor and LDoA if I must, but the lack of a record of my main characters acheivements is, shall we say, disappointing to say the least)

Queen of the Sand · Aug 28, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

/Signed

Dissapointed to say the least

Aldora · Aug 28, 2007, 11:28 AM // 11:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

If you like your heroes enough to want the in HoM fork over 5k and get them armor, atleast then they are displayed. If not... why care?

Ok.... 10 characters... all with heroes.... by the time I finished the preview weekend, they were up to TWENTY heroes a piece (only because I've never gotten Razah).... that is 200 heroes who need upgraded at 10K each for a total of 200K plus runes, insignias and weapons. Not to mention time spent questing to obtain them, time spent on skills (regardless of how they get unlocked) and - in the case of NF heroes - time spent leveling them. I use all my heroes at some point, I would like to display all my heroes at some point. If heroes were a per account issue rather than a per character issue it wouldn't be so bad - 20K for armor upgrades for little AI people is doable. And this wouldn't HAVE to mean that every character would have every hero... it could function that the quests still have to be done, but if one character has the hero - has upgraded its armor, runes, insignias, weapons and leveling... the next character would unlock it via standard channels but get it WITH the new level, armor, runes, insignias and weapons. Just my thoughts on the subject.. but we're already trying to change things.... baby steps....

I am 30 years old with a job, a home and 2 kids. I play for a couple hours every night. I am a VERY loyal Anet customer... I have logged over 2,500 hours on my account... but now I am as good as worthless... because I don't grind challenge missions to upgrade armors, I don't spam outposts looking for armors. I don't grind for excessive titles, I don't grind PvP. What I have done is grind to get all the heroes in the first place. I have done grinding to get the elite armors for my chars. I have done the grinding to come up with the cash to upgrade my heroes with runes, insignias and damned good weapons. But because I am not a 12 year old kid who spent the entire summer on a constant 16-hour-a-day grind schedule to be the biggest, best, most "1337", hardcore, abrasive jerk in the game, my achievements aren't worthy of commendation. The way HoM stands now, it is completely absurd. Period.

Etta · Aug 28, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

HOM right now is extremely and utterly rubbish in every senses. No.1 has my vote.

draxynnic · Aug 28, 2007, 11:43 AM // 11:43

/agree I am hoping, however, that at least some of the complaints are simply from the Hall being in an unfinished state.

Going through the monuments in alphabetical order:

Devotion: This is probably the only one that I'd have no reservations about making account-based - simply because I'd like to be able to see the entire stable at once rather than one at a time. Failing that, make the customisation account-based, so you can get all your minipets in one spot to show off the whole collection without leaving your other characters feeling lonely. If ANet is really worried about people making duplicates, simply make it so that the Monument of Devotion can only be accessed once per minipet from GW2.

Fellowship: The generic statue should be done away with, and individual statues for each type introduced. Personally, I'd say levelling a White Tiger or blue Reef Lurker is more of an accomplishment then fed-exing up a Black Moa.

As for heroes... I can kinda see the point; make it require an actual accomplishment rather than business as usual.

I could sort of see the heroes being account-only, but the animal companion should definitely be character-specific (as each character has a different pet), and having one part accountwide wide and one not seems a little clunky.

Honor: Given that most of the titles up now are PvP, this is looking like it's already pretty account-based

. That said, however, there should be more titles available - I'd be inclined to say that, at the very least, any maxed title should be eligible. The monument should be account-based or character-based as the title is - if you've got the titles spread over multiple characters, they get spread (although the consolidation of inheritences idea by a previous poster has potential). After all, having Guardian of Tyria on character A, Cantha on B, Elona on C, and Protectors on D, E and F respectively, doesn't give you Legendary Guardian on any of them...

Resiliance: This is probably my biggest beef - I want to see the armour I actually bothered to get, not some other random armour. If they make it specific to the gender as well as the profession, it could even remove some cluttering... It does make some sense that only the crafter matters for the benefit you get at the other end (obviously it's not necassarily going to be the exact same set being inherited - just consider an asura or Charr trying to fit into their human "ancestor"'s armour) but for the sake of appearances in the Hall it should show the actual armour that was put in. And it would be nice to distinguish between different sets from the same crafter - say, by having Marhan's Grotto 1 and Marhan's Grotto 2 (and 3 for the Templar...) rather than lumping them all into Marhan's Grotto. After that, the database entries per character should be no larger than they are now - the game would only need to cross-reference with the character's primary profession and gender to know what to display.

While I'm a mix-and-matcher, I can understand the requirement for full sets - it keeps their options open for GW2 (it leaves things open, for instance, to buy armour as full sets rather than pieces in -2 - assuming armour gets inherited as armour in the first place), reduces the number of database entries required to keep track, and in short keeps the list of variables down from lots to something achievable. A little bit sucky when it comes to maintaining the uniqueness of what your character actually wears, but I can understand why they'd do it that way.

It should definitely be character-only, though - nice as it would be to see all of the various sets side by side, that could get very cluttered very fast...

Valor: Like requiring full sets for Resiliance, this looks like a case of ANet keeping the number of variables down. Certainly for people wanting to bring in their favourite weapons - I think the very best you can expect to get is the skins (and the way they're recycling graphics, they may very well have a "Destroyer weapon" with each of the highly desired skins). They're certainly not going to try tracking every single mod combination you can get.

Personally, I'd guess they're making the assumption that by the time GW2 rolls around, people'll have had time to collect enough of the GWEN weapons to be comfortable with just passing them down. Allowing regular greens would be nice, though

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General: One thing I'd have to comment on is the mixed messages ANet seems to be sending on how important inheritences are. On the one hand, they're saying that inherited stuff will provide no advantage, while on the other hand they're talking about being worried about gaining an advantage through multiple inheritences. If it doesn't give you an advantage, who cares? Make the benefits untradeable and something that doesn't give a mechanical advantage, and what's the problem?

Rhys · Aug 28, 2007, 12:09 PM // 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by draxynnic

General: One thing I'd have to comment on is the mixed messages ANet seems to be sending on how important inheritences are. On the one hand, they're saying that inherited stuff will provide no advantage, while on the other hand they're talking about being worried about gaining an advantage through multiple inheritences. If it doesn't give you an advantage, who cares? Make the benefits untradeable and something that doesn't give a mechanical advantage, and what's the problem?

Quoted for |truth| in case they miss it.

Nail, head!

shahaff32 · Aug 28, 2007, 12:13 PM // 12:13

/signed

i usualy dont post in guru, just read. but for this i just had to post.

Jongo River · Aug 28, 2007, 12:53 PM // 12:53

Personally I think they should drop the "inheritance" angle. Just make it a bonus for each area of HoM filled. Account wide HoM now and account wide bonuses in GW2. Why complicate things with this inheritance idea? It's essentially a loyalty bonus, to get us (the players) excited about GW2, isn't it? The bonuses should work like the CE or pre-order bonuses we already have. No worry over which character to work on now and (later) which character to apply them too. Keep it simple.

Also, HoM needs to be less leet. Anything I care about, I should be able to put in there. That means basic heroes, non-maxed titles and any weapon or pet. I guess some people will be miffed if they work harder and get the same bonus, so *maybe* have a higher tier of rewards in GW2 for maxing stuff. i.e. If filling the hero section unlocks a bonus hero in GW2, then upgrading their armour would get a bonus hero with ascended armour. Same thing with titles - you put x titles in and you get a bonus title in GW2 and a better one if your titles are maxed. I say maybe, because I am alarmed at how the HoM seems designed to channel elitisim and grind based prestige from one game to the next.

Anyway, the important things to me are that HoM be personal (not just a place to fill with a limited selection of pre-set goals) and accessible, so that all current players have a reasonable chance at securing whatever bonuses are made available in GW2, with the least amount of stress. Too much to ask?

Oni-Claire · Aug 28, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

/signed

customized a oni pet so -.- i want account based

ps i love your bunny avatar

i know

Arthos · Aug 28, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

I think HoM is perfectly fine the way it is.. wait no

Rizwan · Aug 28, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

/agree

I would love for HoM to be account based

WE PLAY GUILD WARS AND WE WANT THE GAME OUR WAY

Lifetransfer · Aug 28, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

/signed totally. HoM was a great disappointment

m4gic · Aug 28, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

/signed

i don't like HoM atm

flycken · Aug 28, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

/signed

I would LOVE if my minipet collection could once again be displayed by my ranger, sin, ele, and all the others, as they all contributed just a little to it, if even just by gaining money to buy some of the missing ones.

Hall cusomization would be great

Defender of ascalon title I shouldn't/have to get for every character, or survival for that matter, and don't get me started on encouragable ale hound, some titles are so time consuming they should be concidered account based. And I want to SEE them plz.

Armors and weps I don't mind, but I would at least like to see my char instead of some random one for armors. For weapons, maybe 2 sections 1. unlocks for Gw2, and 2. maybe a 2ndary "display case" where you can show whatever weps you want? a suggestion

Heroes as an unlock, WTF? I understand pets..

Lastly...according to release information, Monument of devotion was supposed to be minipets and collectables, i was thinking hats would come into play because they're a measure of prestige and time invested as well, but i guess I'm not really passionate about that one.

Master Lorkhan · Aug 28, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

/SUPER SIGNED

HoM M U S T change

TrankiTronko · Aug 28, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

/signet.Spanish community signet.GWH and GWL /signet. I like rename (Hall of Mistakes).
Im pve player and I spend 2200 Hours since December 2005 for a nothing.