Curse

Lord Juan · Aug 27, 2007, 07:49 AM // 07:49

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HoM could be such a wonderful place for us players, but if it's left the way it was shown in the weekend, well, it will be just a forgotten area that nobody cares about, and nobody ever visits unless there is a quest leading there.

I think the suggestions made in this thread would make it the area most of us would like to see. A more easy access thought the hero panel, our things, weapons and armors, being on display. Our titles written there.

It's ok if it doesn't have xunlai or npcs for different things, if we want that we can go to the area next to it. It would be nice tho.

And definitely should be account based, not character based. I'd like to see one nice HoM instead of 11 almost-empty to empty HoM. They couldn't even be shown to our friends the way it is now, because they would have to visit 3~4 HoM for see what have we done.

I Will Heal You Ally · Aug 27, 2007, 07:49 AM // 07:49

/signed

You said it all. Now let's hope for some improvements

Omnidragon42 · Aug 27, 2007, 08:00 AM // 08:00

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Me, my guildmates, and many friends were all very disappointed with the HoM. For a couple people I know, the HoM is the deciding factor on if they buy the game or not.

elLOCOmutha · Aug 27, 2007, 08:04 AM // 08:04

I definately think changes need to be made and also it should be account based!

/Signed!

oTrSo · Aug 27, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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im kinda dissapointed on how the HoM is now.

mr_stealth · Aug 27, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Through all the (very valid) complaints over the honor monument being PVP only, I think most people failed to notice something. It does actually respond to some PVE titles even though it only lists PVP ones for display. I don't have any of the pvp titles for it to show, but my monk's monument has an additional piece showing that isn't there on 2 of my other characters. Her monument has what looks like a gold/bronze colored chest armor piece hanging amoung the glowy blue haze. I assume that more titles would complete more of this shield/crest thing into a complete gold piece. Not sure what title the chest plate represents, but I'm guessing its People Know Me, Legendary Skill Hunter, or Leg. Cartographer.

The other 2 characters I took to the HoM only had the glowing blue placeholder. Both of these characters have beat all campaigns and one is Legendary Survivor.

Smoczek_bagus · Aug 27, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

/signet
why only pvp titles can be displayed? pls make at least KoBD from r3 or summing available...

bodyboarder · Aug 27, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Prob been said but the armour part should show your actual armour not some random other class one. wouls also be good if it was the colour u dyed it also

sakura75 · Aug 27, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

A good solution to the question: "Should the Hall of Monuments be account or character based?" might be this next suggestion. The Hall of Monument I envisioned is partly account based and partly character based.
The Hall of Monument is a large building with an extensive central hall (just like every big museum like The British Musem or Le Louvre) where account based and PvP titles are displayed. This central hall has a name displayed. This name could be linked to your "Account Name" or customizable (just like you could make a Guild and give it a name, you are able to give your Hall of Monuments a personal name). Or make a quest to do in order to customize your Hall of Monuments. Here you are able to display your PvP titles, but no rediculous high requirements. Rank 3-5 Hero, Rank 6-8 Hero, Rank 9-11 Hero, Rank 12-14 Hero and Rank 15 Hero get their emote displayed. Champion Titles displays their current rank. (How many people has Hero Rank 12 or higher, highest Champion Rank at the moment is 5 and I have seen only 2 Rank Gladiator 8). Moreover, there are should be different Hall of Monuments. Just like there are different Guild Halls, there should be different Hall of Monuments as well. Some players like the current "standard" Hall of Monument others prefer something like a "Garden of Forlorn Heroes"; there are so many ways to display your ancestors.
From this central hall you are able to walk into minor rooms (just like every museum has its wings). Each room has its own name (name of your character of course) displayed above the entrance. In each room you can display the achievement of one of your characters. In these rooms character based achievements, i.e. pve titles are displayed. In order to keep it manageable for Anet, you are able to have maximal 10 rooms (for each profession one).

Summary:

Hall of Monuments: partly account and partly character based.
Hall of Monuments has 2 parts:
* Central Hall to display account and PvP titles
- Central Hall has a customizable name
- Central Hall has entrances to Minor Rooms
* Minor Rooms to display character based, PVE titles.
- Minor Rooms has a name according to the character to display
- There are maximal 10 Minor Rooms (for each profession one)

Additionally, make quest to achieve your Hall of Monument (just like Indiana Jones adventuring the old temples ) in order to be able to give your Hall of Monument a personal name. Or make a NPC to customize your Hall of Monuments (just like an NPC to register your guild).

Navaros · Aug 27, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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In my opinion HOM, as it is now, needs to be scrapped entirely and completely redesigned from the ground up.

First of all it must be account-based.

Secondly you must be able to to display every achievement you have to immortalize your characters. That is how it was presented to be in interviews, but it does not deliver on that promise in the least bit. This includes it must display every PVE title, and any rank of any PVP title you have.

HOM also needs to show your actual armor, not bad-looking statues of characters/armor that have absolutely nothing to do with what you placed up there, as it does now.

I'm not even sure how the current Hero/Pet monument would have enough space for all the Heroes or pets a single character could put on it. Much less an account-based monument! That is to say, they trying to re-jigger the current HOM won't work. There simply isn't enough space on the monument platforms to do it. There isn't enough space to put up trophies for every PVE title one single character has either. These are the most compelling reasons why it needs to be scrapped and completely redesigned from the ground up.

I disagree with the wording in the OP regarding PVP titles because in my opinion it understates the problem quite a bit. Almost no one has R12 Hero or R9 Glad etc, because the amount of several thousands of hours required to grind out for them is ludicrous. The current ludicrous "high rank" required PVP titles is not "a minor inconvenience" as the OP wording could be interpreted to mean, rather it's a huge fubar of epic proportions. Every bit as big as the fubar of epic proportions that not displaying PVE titles is.

Shaq_gw · Aug 27, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

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Account based because when i take someone into my HOM, or even if i visit myself - i want to see all MY accomplishment. Not just the ones on that character. From what i read i was expecting it to be like that.

From reading Gailes answers i get that they did not do it this way because of possible inheritance problems in GW2. They obviously don't want a single accomplishment inherited multiple times. /signed.

But then GW2 seems to be very much geared to playing just a single char, so why not allow me to inherited every accomplishments on the account into a single character.

To allow everyone maximum flexibility, just show a list of all accomplishements that can be selected for inheritance in GW2 and allow them to be inherited only once. Flag to be reset if the character that inherited it is deleted.

Armors: Please let us see the armors exactly the way we wear them, in full colors.
The HOM is a bit bleak as it is already.

Titles: I expected GW to be moving towards a "Play just one char" game so i concentrated much of my efforts on a single char for a while already. Only to find that all the PVE titles i got do not go in the hall (yet?)

Minipets: I will not put any minipet into HOM untill i am rdy to go over to GW2 if it stays customised to a char. To an account in GW1 i could understand. And possibly to a char in GW2 because of the inheritance thing

New functionality: I really really like the idea of being able to map travel directly to HOm and being able to buy NPC's to be in there. /signed

On a final note: Gaile and Anet seem to be very worried that accomplishment will be inherited multiple times in GW2.

Gaile even called it multiplying.

Why consider that a problem if it was already stated that is is just bragging rights and will NOT give you ANY advantage over new GW players whatsoever.

It is to show off the accomplishments of the player, so why want to link it to characters? I think this is where the difference in interpretation and expectation between the community and Anet is coming from.

Draccor The Great · Aug 27, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

/signed and discuss

Allow lower rank pvp titles and all maxed pve titles to be shown.

Torikae · Aug 27, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

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I'm most upset that all my hard-earned titles barely get a footnote atm, but armour, minis, heroes...

Let's just say any change made could only be an improvement.

BIGbadBull · Aug 27, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

/singed.

+NPC /singed

Saraphim · Aug 27, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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But, as I have concerns about entire quest chains having to be redesigned to accomodate a change to account-based (gathering tapestry pieces), I voted character based option. I'd rather they concentrated on the individual aspects of the HoM (random professions for armour, mini pet customisation & the lack of love for maxed PVE titles) first.

lundis · Aug 27, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

/agree

my opinions:

1. They can't make everything account-based.. it would SUCK

2. Minipets really should be account-based..

3. I'm a 100% PvE-player.. and I can't even show my titles....

4. It would be very cool to have a rare GW:EN weapon..

5.I was so disappointed when I put my mesmer armor there and it showed a monk instead... I'm a mesmer, not a monk.....

6. I totally agree

7. oh yes, please add a pink dye trader and a xunlai agent in a clown suite

Overall, I was kinda disappointed...

Boone · Aug 27, 2007, 09:27 AM // 09:27

kinda notsigned

It shouldn't be account based, than it's not really about 1 person..more like a group of heroes.. I do agree that the armor parts shown should be the ones of the character itself. Also, my ranger both has elite-fur lined and studded leather, but it can only show one of the two, because they are both "Granite Citadel Armor". Minipets are not that bad.. maybe account customization would be better though. and i'd prefer to show every weapon I would want in the weapon monument.

Symeon · Aug 27, 2007, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Even though I don't care about it very much, the HoM in its current state is horribly flawed. Make it better, please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JASON626

I'd like an extra tab in storage added for Gwen like we recieved awhile back for each campaign we own.

Agreed with this.

K4nCzY · Aug 27, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

totally agreed on #1

/signed

BLACKTHORNTK · Aug 27, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

I posted this on another potition thread on here but this seems to be the main so I'll post my thoughts again.

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I definitly agree This should be acount based where you can use all your
mini pets for any character there of its cool we can assign them to us
but it should be states assigned to user names acount only not
assign to character only.

Further more;
I too am upset about the fact we can not use this HOM mode for
extra storage space well it would be sweet we could pick up our mini pets
off the shelf and not have to have them waste storage space same goes for
our weapons that we can put up there as well.(SIDE NOTE: customized weapons should be custom for acount based so we dont have to have 10 of the same weapons that we like that would take up to much storage space.)

How about armor based that
would definilty help I too wouldn't mind having 20 or more sets of armor for
one character but lets face it we cant store that many on our item slots.
If in anycase it be sweet if we could do that so we have more fun mix and matching them to our liking. Although, for armor based that should be assigned towards the character only if You could store the he many sets of them that you worked so hard for farming materials and gold should be stored in HOM and not waste space in your inventory.
Another thing that anoys me about armor is that You have to either buy new
runes for your armor for a differnt build or have another set of that armor with that runes you need for that particular build. I feel every character you have for PVE mode should have it so that you can purchase your runes and what ever runes you put into that armor can be switched back and forth just like pvp except to do so you have to install the runes within them to do the changes.

Another wasteful thing is the limit we can store in materials and have on us.
If they would allow maximum of 1000 in per material in storage bank. They also need to have it so that we can take out a choice of how much materials we want out of the storage instead of taking a entire stack.

and Festivial item storage anything that comes out for festivals like fireworks
special beers and easter eggs and what ever else they throw at us like them
award coins tokens should have there own storage slot based on 1000 per slot. Although I not mentioned this they should keep the limit hold of them items on a player to 250 so that people wont go rediculous on prices or better yet drop the limit hold a tad so there would be less scamming going around in rediculous prices.
Gw does need a trade and sell place where prices are set traded by quantity and rareity so that people dont over charge others with scams and
items are shown as is so no one else can scam they will see a crystaline they will get it. NOt that switch really quick before trade goes through so that you give them the look alike weapon no one likes. A auction thats automated
after set prices goes and a 5 day limit for it to be up too or less by choice. They should have it so
the gold you get from selling your goods automatically goes into your bank acount even when your not there. Also in the trade zone for example: I want this for this amount of stuff. or willing to sell for 100k or 20 ectos kinda trade store; that runs even when your not logged in. AS soon as you log in there should be a message stating yoru trades or sells that has gone through and ask you if you would like to check your autions now. this should give a power seller tittle track or power buyer tittle track for the fun of it.

that's all i have to say but I do have more too add in yet I'm not sure how much left I can type within this lol.
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If anyone reads my thread I'm definilty currious what you all have to say to my idea's.