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Dr Strangelove · Sep 26, 2007, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

I have personally seen you tell people posting in these forums asking for help to "QQ lrn2play you suck".
TabascoSauce

Pics or it didn't happen

YunSooJin · Sep 26, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

For something to be true or false, a premise must be put forward. "You Suck", while technically a premise, is really an indefensible statement to make. The fact that YunSooJin endorses this behavior, without consequence from any of his peers, shows me that enough people in the PvP community believes in their right to ridicule anyone that it is now acceptable behavior. That is not a sign of a healthy community, and as mentioned countless other times in GURU may be a factor contributing to the poor uptake of players into long-time PvP'ers.

'You suck' is actually not an indefensible statement to make. Gathering from your ignorant comments, I would put forward the hypothesis that 'TabascoSauce sucks', and from what I gather, a large portion of people would agree. Now if you'd stop dodging my request for your bars, then maybe we can start to prove or disprove my hypothesis. From your reluctance, you are either obstinate or afraid, frankly of which I am not surprised. You've put up a lot of inflammatory comments with absolutely zero to back it up.

We're not on this board to be PC. PvP doesn't coddle the morons who want to run whatever they'd like. Good bars and playing abilities are rewarded with victories, bad bars and poor judgement are punished with losses. I would say the PvP mindset actually fosters more understanding and deeper knowledge of the game. Those people (like you) who would rather cover everything up in a mile deep layer of bullsh*t are the ones that are the problem here.

In PvP, you call it how it is. You don't spend 3 hours to get a group together and just drag along the lone lame duck in your group who can't hold up their end of the bargain. But you wouldn't know that, would you?

EDIT: If you looove the super mending/healing hands pve mindset, I would recommend GWO.

TabascoSauce · Sep 26, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Extrapolate for me - if everyone in the world thought the way you do, then what would it be like? Think through the ramifications of what you are saying - by your standards, the real life elderly, could be judged by the society based on your writings here as lone lame ducks, if they were retired, jobless, and poor, would you let them starve or help them? Where do you draw the line for when altruism is a good idea and a bad idea?

If you can reach beyond your tough-guy shell there, and provide a serious response as an answer to those questions, and I'll start readying my bars for posting in Riverside sometime this weekend. I'll even format them graphically to look all pretty. I think you will be disappointed if you're looking for mending frenzy, as I normally run 2 MM&SS interrupting necro/mezzes, a motivation paragon, and Mhenlo/Lina/Zho/Herta and really I do not have to worry about DP at all. Disable the interrupts and swap out Zho for the great destroyer, and bobs your uncle.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

YunSooJin · Sep 26, 2007, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Extrapolate for me - if everyone in the world thought the way you do, then what would it be like? Think through the ramifications of what you are saying - by your standards, the real life elderly, could be judged by the society based on your writings here as lone lame ducks, if they were retired, jobless, and poor, would you let them starve or help them? Where do you draw the line for when altruism is a good idea and a bad idea?

If you can reach beyond your tough-guy shell there, and provide a serious response as an answer to those questions, and I'll start readying my bars for posting in Riverside sometime this weekend. I'll even format them graphically to look all pretty. I think you will be disappointed if you're looking for mending frenzy, as I normally run 2 MM&SS interrupting necro/mezzes, a motivation paragon, and Mhenlo/Lina/Zho/Herta and really I do not have to worry about DP at all. Disable the interrupts and swap out Zho for the great destroyer, and bobs your uncle.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Not only do you consistently display your ignorance about PvP, you seem to find it logically feasible that the way I view game mechanics is somehow representative of my view of everything else.

If 'everyone thought the way I did' then we wouldn't have people like you posting misinformed, vitriolic and blind statements about PvP or GW game mechanics. As for 'the way I think', I believe you've only gleaned what I think about this game, more specifically, on the subject of you whining about the supposed injustices PvP'ers inflict on your pride with their 'elitism'. I think you should seriously consider the fact that the bulk of the PvP'ers that even bother to post in a subform called Eye Of the North are probably ardent PvE'ers as well, and thusly have as much claim to any supposed injuries you think you must face.

Again, either put up, shut up, or just keep posting and feel free to ignore me. I'm not going to even bother to respond to your straw man - I've already seen you derail this thread, and discussing philosophy to possibly retarded internet strangers does not interest me.

Dr Strangelove · Sep 26, 2007, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Think through the ramifications of what you are saying - by your standards, the real life elderly, could be judged by the society based on your writings here as lone lame ducks, if they were retired, jobless, and poor, would you let them starve or help them?

Yes, now that you mention it, trying to be good at a video game DOES mean that I'm a serial killer.

Voltar · Sep 26, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Well, with the information presented in the OP, the best response i can give is to agree that you're doing it wrong.

with H&H, I generally go on to the next thing with the last group build. When I've failed at 'tab/spacebar' I've had to think about what I'm doing and change tactics. I've gone from -60% with tab/spacebar to 10% after playing like I should've to begin with.

If you would like more useful advice than, "you're doing it wrong," ask a more specific question. Nobody knows that you're throwing your 2 MM heroes with 20 minions at an Ominous Ooze until you tell us that.

That (btw) is a bad idea. So is FotM SF ele vs. Destroyers. Just a couple stabs in the dark at the kinds of problems you're probably coming up against.

TabascoSauce · Sep 26, 2007, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin

posting misinformed, vitriolic and blind statements

Pot, meet kettle?

Seriously, you are defending posters, if you are not guilty yourself, of telling the OP "You Suck", and I am the one telling you that this is wrong, and rude, and I'm the bad guy.

Seriously, if you think telling "Ascalon Squire" level new posters that "You Suck" is the wrong way to build a strong community, and leave a bad first impression, then we are in total agreement. There is no way to explain or justify that behavior as acceptable, here or anywhere else.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

Voltar · Sep 26, 2007, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Ooh, Tabasco just capped the 'moral high ground altar'.

I think I'm going to leave this flame v flame open and follow along with popcorn.

lennymon · Sep 26, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

fyi: 'You're doing it wrong' and 'you suck' are completely different statements.
Example #1 is informative (although could be more so by including other pointers, but given the details of the OP we can't)
Example #2 is non-informative, as presumably the target already knows this.

Perhaps if you were actually arguing about the same thing some of the salient details would sink in, but you all are arguing in different languages. Albeit humorous from the sidelines for a short read... it's really quite stupid, and I'd think at least one of you knows that since at least page 3.

Snow Bunny · Sep 26, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Extrapolate for me - if everyone in the world thought the way you do, then what would it be like? Think through the ramifications of what you are saying - by your standards, the real life elderly, could be judged by the society based on your writings here as lone lame ducks, if they were retired, jobless, and poor, would you let them starve or help them? Where do you draw the line for when altruism is a good idea and a bad idea?

If you can reach beyond your tough-guy shell there, and provide a serious response as an answer to those questions, and I'll start readying my bars for posting in Riverside sometime this weekend. I'll even format them graphically to look all pretty. I think you will be disappointed if you're looking for mending frenzy, as I normally run 2 MM&SS interrupting necro/mezzes, a motivation paragon, and Mhenlo/Lina/Zho/Herta and really I do not have to worry about DP at all. Disable the interrupts and swap out Zho for the great destroyer, and bobs your uncle.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

You know what happens when you think the way I do?

You go to Yale. That's what.

Again, no one has posted their builds, presumably. I suppose you have Tabasco, but then again, no one is defending the OP except for you, so go figure.

YunSooJin · Sep 26, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26

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Originally Posted by TabascoSauce

Pot, meet kettle?

Seriously, you are defending posters, if you are not guilty yourself, of telling the OP "You Suck", and I am the one telling you that this is wrong, and rude, and I'm the bad guy.

Seriously, if you think telling "Ascalon Squire" level new posters that "You Suck" is the wrong way to build a strong community, and leave a bad first impression, then we are in total agreement. There is no way to explain or justify that behavior as acceptable, here or anywhere else.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

do you not know what straw man means?

ps. rhetorical question, I know you don't, which is why I even provided that convenient link for you. I suppose in addition to be an inveterate straw man poster, you've also lost the ability to click useful links.

lennymon · Sep 26, 2007, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Tabasco, what are you trying to prove (aside from the obvious - that you aren't a total nutjob at this point)? Just drop it... not only arguing with people who are better at it than you (no this *also* isn't a personal attack, just fact) but it's pointless as what you see as moral high ground by defending the human race from aliens are aliens which never actually existed...
The OP implied a question, got a few pointers and moved on. You've pulled from some black hole an apparent personal political agenda which by the way is not applicable and now you are arguing it ineffectively, illogically and losing but refusing to either see it or admit it. Fact.

Crom The Pale · Sep 27, 2007, 12:11 AM // 00:11

It does sometimes amaze me at how pationate people get over a video game.

And I have to admit I tend to 'stir the pot' in some unconsious way with some of my posts.

Here is the absolute truth of this thread all summed up.....

The difficulty of this game can only be measured be each player in his own mind and performance. I can bring my cousin over that has never played GW but does play many other RPG's/FPS's and he might find this extremely easy, both PvP and PvE. On the other hand I could bring over my sister who only playes online poker and she would rack up 60%dp on Shing Jea Island and quit in frustration.

In the end all that matters is having fun, if you are then difficulty is not an issue, if not they maybe you should not be playing this game.

lennymon · Sep 27, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

QFT: I remember also that when I first started back in 05 that it WAS harder... (to me)
Everything becomes easier with experience, so even if you fail come back when you aren't pissed anymore and try again. Sometimes you'll surprise yourself at how well you do, *and* how much more fun it is than the last time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

It does sometimes amaze me at how pationate people get over a video game.

And I have to admit I tend to 'stir the pot' in some unconsious way with some of my posts.

Here is the absolute truth of this thread all summed up.....

The difficulty of this game can only be measured be each player in his own mind and performance. I can bring my cousin over that has never played GW but does play many other RPG's/FPS's and he might find this extremely easy, both PvP and PvE. On the other hand I could bring over my sister who only playes online poker and she would rack up 60%dp on Shing Jea Island and quit in frustration.

In the end all that matters is having fun, if you are then difficulty is not an issue, if not they maybe you should not be playing this game.

TabascoSauce · Sep 27, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by lennymon

Tabasco, what are you trying to prove (aside from the obvious - that you aren't a total nutjob at this point)? Just drop it... not only arguing with people who are better at it than you (no this *also* isn't a personal attack, just fact) but it's pointless as what you see as moral high ground by defending the human race from aliens are aliens which never actually existed...
The OP implied a question, got a few pointers and moved on. You've pulled from some black hole an apparent personal political agenda which by the way is not applicable and now you are arguing it ineffectively, illogically and losing but refusing to either see it or admit it. Fact.

Really. I decided to actually go through the thread and find everything the OP wrote. All I found was on pages 1,2,3, and 11. Pages 2 and three were replies to personal attacks, specifically:

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Originally Posted by nw5221

How do you know I don’t pull & just rush in, Einstein? It’s a lucky thing we have “geniuses” like you to straighten out the rest of us dumb yokels … Blow us all kisses [email protected] and get lost. – If only I was as cool as you are: then I’d really be something!

I'll repost the page 11 material including the post he replies to for context, and the immediate post after, because I think it illustrates how the OP feels about his treatment at the point of his apparent departure from this thread.

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Originally Posted by Ebony Shadowheart to some other poster

Learn to not be a jackass

Personally if you want to offer useless comments such as 'you're doing it wrong' at least offer some reasons why you feel this. Considering you're not playing WITH the OP I dount you know why he's having issues.

Many of you assume he just sucks, well I hate to tell you but everyone that plays does so differently. Thus, some people will find different areas harder or easier than others. Casual players that end up getting their ass kicked end up frutsrated and angry, thus tada this type of thread. Instead of trying to help said person too many of you offer no constructive critism; just blantant 'you suck' comments that do nothing but piss people off more.

That being said, wsper me in game some time Nw, I'll help you on any dungeon I have open.

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Originally Posted by nw5221

Thanks for the productive comments & positive support. One thing I noticed was the power-stones in the EON outpost. That has seemed to help. I added you to my friends list & I appreciate the offer of help!

Yeah, he sure seemed to like that ridicule, and not the hand of friendship.

What am I thinking?

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Originally Posted by keli

yes, and because you cant do something come and cry all day long on the fanforums good tactic, i hope anet wont do anything to make these territorys easier

Lastly, the poster's forum profile with last activity says:

nw5221
Pre-Searing Cadet
09-08-2007
6 posts

I'd say he's probably got Guru in his rearview mirror, wouldn't you? Wow, those guys sure did a stellar job.

You know, I do not feel so bad right now. I am glad you pointed me at this.

And you know, last post I got it wrong, he's not an "Ascalon Squire", he's a "Pre-Searing Cadet".

Until the mods close this thread, any posts that advocate the idea that it is OK to tell a "Pre-Searing Cadet" new poster that he or she "sucks", or just any old kind of ridicule, is wrong and I will be happy to inform them so.

I can tell right from wrong. It is wrong. It is way too far down the tracks for apologies from the offending posters - they are too busy insulting me now.

But I'm OK with that. And every time they keep coming back and coming back means that they're obviously bothered - if they were not they would have moved on long ago.

What is my motivation, why am I here? Because some close variation of this exact sequence of events happens every day on this forum. I think it is wrong and bad for us as a community. You can joke about me capping the moral high ground, but it is true.

Heck, I'd fall out of my seat in shock if any of those posters were to actually, you know, say that maybe they went a bit overboard and were in the wrong?

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

YunSooJin · Sep 27, 2007, 01:48 AM // 01:48

Who are you arguing with?

What makes you think PvE'ers and PvE+PvP'ers are any different when responding to the OP?

Who said it was the positive thing to do to just say 'You suck'?

lennymon · Sep 27, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Yup...a lot of rudeness here, but the OP did manage to glean some helpfull tips out of it AND they were appreciative without falling down to the level of 95% of the posters in this thread.
I understand what you mean to accomplish but trying to piss off the few rational people in this thread will not accomplish your goal.

One of my favorite quotes: Never argue with an idiot; they drag you down to their level then beat you with experience

I'm not calling anyone an idiot mind you, it just seems applicable.

...ps: Yun I believe the 'you suck' was an innacurate paraphrase of the actual first responses based on his understanding of what it meant

Ruphfus · Sep 27, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

Back to what the original poster said

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Originally Posted by nw5221

I have been playing Guild Wars since July of 2005. I have purchased all of the new games, as well as the new expansion. I’ve been looking forward to “Eye of the North” ever since I read about it. I enjoy GW immensely but I have to tell you that I am also VERY FRUSTRATED!!

With every new game, I’ve grown more and more irritated at the unrealistic difficulty in certain areas. I understand that there has to be a degree of challenge, but the game is becoming 90% aggravation. The quests in the dungeons are next to impossible to complete. Within 2 minutes the entire party has a -60% death penalty. The foes are not only unrealistically ultra-powerful but there are times that I’ll attack a group of 5 and within seconds every red dot on the mini-map is drawn in and ‘suddenly’ I’m fighting 30. And that’s a “lovely” experience if you happen to be near a resurrection shrine. Because the AI isn’t smart enough to Rez away from the foes…So I get to experience the “joy” of getting slaughtered 50 times.

I have tried several quests 4 or 5 times only to quit in frustration. I’ve tried with henchmen and I’ve tried with real players. I’ve yet to complete them.

I’m at a point where I’m about to quit.

I played thru GW:EN as a monk, and i H&H the entire expansion except the last 2 dungeons and the Final Boss. Yes I died here and there but that was expected, I was a monk on an all AI team.

I do believe that GW:EN is in no way as hard as DoA and the Mallyx quests, or Urgoz and the Deep.

I also believe GW:EN's difficulty is right where it should be. It is an expansion for level 20 characters... this req you to beat one chapter, which assumes that you have a decent skill bar, and experience with the game:
-When u are in the mountians expect to face Ice / Water monsters....
-Charr like fire
-Blind tough melee mobs (destroyers)
-BHA owns all casters....
-Mesmers are actually useful
-GET RID OF SEARING FLAMES{E} it doesn't rule GW:EN

What I can say to the OP is this... Join a guild that helps so u don't have to H&H everything. Adapt your skill bar and your heros to what your fighting. Use gw.wiki for tips on dungeons. Pay attention to what skills the monsters in an area use... and if u get wiped restart and reskill to counter them.

Dione Davore · Sep 27, 2007, 02:28 AM // 02:28

Excuse me, how was this game difficult again?

Yeah, I know 60DP, I was stupid enough to stand next to a flame while writing a "guide" on another forum and took the screenshot later. *cry*

AlienFromBeyond · Sep 27, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Ruphfus

-GET RID OF SEARING FLAMES{E} it doesn't rule GW:EN

Actually, in my experience it does rule GWEN except for any part with Destroyers.