Curse

drupal · Oct 19, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

I made long breaks during my runs. Hm :/
Tomorrow another run and then a break for a few weeks, let's see if it helps.

drupal · Oct 21, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29

Hm, I try to do some missions to get the flags removed. So I can see if the Anti Farm Code works.

drupal · Oct 22, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Me again. I really don't know what the problem was but now, after I helped in some missions, I got Shards on every run and a golden item dropped on the first run. Seems like it is working.

btw, sorry for spamming this thread.

Loki Seiguro · Nov 25, 2006, 03:16 PM // 15:16

i was thinking with the relase of NF and the avatars...someone could maybe make a build for a dervish solo for the spider cave using malandru's avatar becuase you are not affected my conditions and then maybe combine with like D/ME for the physical resitance things

SHADOW_SLAYE · Nov 30, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

wow looks great defenitly ganna try it
thnx for the build

Midnights Avenger · Dec 03, 2006, 02:16 AM // 02:16

do u think i can use burning arrow instead of poison arrow? i have both, just dunno what will work better

remmeh · Dec 03, 2006, 04:58 AM // 04:58

Poison Arrow is for the continuous degen on multiple targets. Burning Arrow would work, but wouldn't be nearly as effective.

oh, and by the way, random thought popped into my head: for the run to forest, has anyone tried Hex Breaker to have an easier time with Deep Freeze?

Vexed · Dec 22, 2006, 06:14 AM // 06:14

I just started running this farm a few days ago - lots of fun!

One thing that gave me trouble, though, is that first spawn of skeletals. I thought about Hex Breaker like Remmeh said, but it's a stance so you're either going to have to overwrite Storm Chaser to use it or keep it on without run speed - and maybe get hit with DF again. So I tried it with an Assassin secondary, running Shadow of Haste as the primary run skill.

I don't recommend this unless you've gotten the hang of fighting the mobs in the forest already.

Here's the build:

16 Wilderness Survival (12+1+3)
9 Expertise (8+1)
9 Marks (8+1)
7 Shadow Arts

Fav. Winds (makes my interrupts easier against Spiders)
Distracting Shot (For Woods' Unguent and Spiders' apply poison)
Poison Arrow
Kindle Arrows
Natural Stride (cancel stance for Shadow of Haste and 50% evasion against Woods and Spiders)
Troll Unguent
Shadow of Haste (main skill for running to the Forest)
Optional (I used Shadow Refuge for a bit of extra healing but it's really not necessary - dual shot / forked arrow would be fine)

I use +10 armor while in stance and a bow grip of defense.

For the run:
Shadow of Haste can be kept up indefinitely. With Shadow Arts at 7 the duration is about 44 sec with a recharge of 30. It's only a 15% speed boost but that is still enough to easily shake any mobs chasing you. The catch is that you have to refresh it before it runs out or - surprise - you're back before the group you bypassed. A bit tricky to get used to, but sometimes you can use this mechanic to your advantage.

If, like I always seem to, you catch a rough spawn of skeletals, simply put up SoH before the last mob of Shadow Elementals and hoof it towards the skeletals. Either pull the shadows down into the skeles or lure the skeles up towards the shadows, then tag Natural Stride. Bam, you're back up above the skirmish and you can now use Natural Stride to sprint past the brawl.

Basically, Natural Stride is your panic button. You can also use this trick to sneak past the skeles at the bridge halfway through the forest, though it's a little trickier:
First, use Natural Stride to dash past the mob at the bridge (no hexes in this group so it works fine). Get a good distance past them, then switch to Shadow of Haste and leg it back to the bridge. Once you've cleared the bridge again, hit Natural once more and you'll be back safely on the other side, easily shaking off the agro.

The drawback of this, of course, is you don't have Mantra of Lightning or Physical Resistance to deal with the actual fighting, but if you're familiar with the run already, this isn't going to stop you. 50% evade from Natural works great against Woods and Spiders, and it can be kept active almost continuously at 16 WS. Energy gets a little tight against big groups but again, if you're familiar with the run, you should know how to pace yourself and not get in over your head. If you don't have the energy to spam Natural Stride, you could just activate Shadow of Haste for the free +10 in stance if you're wearing stance armor.

This might help those of you having trouble with the run

-Vex

remmeh · Dec 23, 2006, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vexed

I just started running this farm a few days ago - lots of fun!

One thing that gave me trouble, though, is that first spawn of skeletals. I thought about Hex Breaker like Remmeh said, but it's a stance so you're either going to have to overwrite Storm Chaser to use it or keep it on without run speed - and maybe get hit with DF again. So I tried it with an Assassin secondary, running Shadow of Haste as the primary run skill.

I don't recommend this unless you've gotten the hang of fighting the mobs in the forest already.

Here's the build:

16 Wilderness Survival (12+1+3)
9 Expertise (8+1)
9 Marks (8+1)
7 Shadow Arts

Fav. Winds (makes my interrupts easier against Spiders)
Distracting Shot (For Woods' Unguent and Spiders' apply poison)
Poison Arrow
Kindle Arrows
Natural Stride (cancel stance for Shadow of Haste and 50% evasion against Woods and Spiders)
Troll Unguent
Shadow of Haste (main skill for running to the Forest)
Optional (I used Shadow Refuge for a bit of extra healing but it's really not necessary - dual shot / forked arrow would be fine)

I use +10 armor while in stance and a bow grip of defense.

For the run:
Shadow of Haste can be kept up indefinitely. With Shadow Arts at 7 the duration is about 44 sec with a recharge of 30. It's only a 15% speed boost but that is still enough to easily shake any mobs chasing you. The catch is that you have to refresh it before it runs out or - surprise - you're back before the group you bypassed. A bit tricky to get used to, but sometimes you can use this mechanic to your advantage.

If, like I always seem to, you catch a rough spawn of skeletals, simply put up SoH before the last mob of Shadow Elementals and hoof it towards the skeletals. Either pull the shadows down into the skeles or lure the skeles up towards the shadows, then tag Natural Stride. Bam, you're back up above the skirmish and you can now use Natural Stride to sprint past the brawl.

Basically, Natural Stride is your panic button. You can also use this trick to sneak past the skeles at the bridge halfway through the forest, though it's a little trickier:
First, use Natural Stride to dash past the mob at the bridge (no hexes in this group so it works fine). Get a good distance past them, then switch to Shadow of Haste and leg it back to the bridge. Once you've cleared the bridge again, hit Natural once more and you'll be back safely on the other side, easily shaking off the agro.

The drawback of this, of course, is you don't have Mantra of Lightning or Physical Resistance to deal with the actual fighting, but if you're familiar with the run already, this isn't going to stop you. 50% evade from Natural works great against Woods and Spiders, and it can be kept active almost continuously at 16 WS. Energy gets a little tight against big groups but again, if you're familiar with the run, you should know how to pace yourself and not get in over your head. If you don't have the energy to spam Natural Stride, you could just activate Shadow of Haste for the free +10 in stance if you're wearing stance armor.

This might help those of you having trouble with the run

-Vex

wow, I am impressed. Shadow of Haste makes the run there almost too easy...

I used the same bar you had above but subbed in Forked Arrow for the Optional slot:

Forked Arrow
Poison Arrow
Distracting Shot
Kindle Arrows
Shadow of Haste
Natural Stride
Troll Unguent
Favorable Winds

8+1 Expertise
10+3+1 Wilderness Survival
12+1 Marksmanship
2 Shadow Arts

I put 14 WS to hit the breakpoint for +10 Unguent, and put the rest of the points in Marksmanship.

Shadow of Haste really makes the run past the tricky part pretty easy... if you fail, you cancel stance and try again.

The only thing is that with only 2 Shadow Arts, your SoH lasts 34 seconds, giving you a 4-second window in which you have to decide whether to renew or cancel SoH.

Never thought about using SoH. Mad props

Vexed · Dec 24, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Yeah, after playing around with the assassin secondary I kinda prefer it just because it makes the run itself much more reliable, and that's where I lose most of my money.

And yeah, dumping 7 into SA is a bit overkill, but it's nice to have a few extra seconds without getting that surprise warp back across the zone. I also keep playing with Shadow Arts skills in slot 8 - Feigned Neutrality if I mess up and get in spellcasting range or get in over my head with a spider is my top choice at the moment - so having SA up a little bit is helpful, but hey, that's why we call it an optional slot.

I'm getting so used to the timing that I almost feel I don't need FW anymore but I don't really know what else to bring. I rotate targets so that when one drops, EoE drops the rest, so I really don't need the Forked Arrow. Maybe work in the new NF spirit Toxicity to increase the pain from Poison Arrow, but that requires some BM to get any worthwhile duration out of it. For now, the build is working really well.

Glad to see it worked for somebody else, too.

gavin456 · Dec 28, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

hey does this run still work? do i use a flate bow or a long bow to stay out of spell castor range?

Vexed · Dec 28, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Yep, still works.

Flatbows and Longbows both work to keep you out of spellcasting range - most people use Flatbows for the faster refire rate.

MMSDome · Jan 26, 2007, 04:21 AM // 04:21

make sure to cycle thorugh groups of 2 like spirit shephards and wurms like in the video, your run will go faster. You can go one by one, i just cycle through because im lazy.

TheLordOfBlah · Jan 30, 2007, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Your link just takes me to the mail filefront page

drupal · Apr 09, 2007, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Maybe someone is interested in an easier run to the forrest. I lately take koss with me to support (just give him Charge, Shields up, endure pain, a hardres and running stances). I use him to help me get through the skeletals and to res me if I screw up

The downside is that you have to share your gold drops, other drops aren't affected if you flag him out of range into a safe spot. I have made better experiences with Koss than with uber wammos for a free CR.

Losttoapathy · Apr 11, 2007, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by remmeh

Poison Arrow is for the continuous degen on multiple targets. Burning Arrow would work, but wouldn't be nearly as effective.

oh, and by the way, random thought popped into my head: for the run to forest, has anyone tried Hex Breaker to have an easier time with Deep Freeze?

I tried hex breaker with deep freeze and it didn't seem to make a difference. Because I have 551 health though sometimes I JUST manage to survive because they stop chasing me in the nick of time. Risky strategy though!

Grace Paragon · Apr 26, 2007, 02:00 AM // 02:00

didnt know there was an update to this. was hope'n to retrieve the old map for the run I some how lost. oh well, thx for the newer one.

ps, your links to lams3k and your video dont work anymore, though his thread for r/mo is still here. and I dont dont if filefront holding your video anymore.. i have it but other may not and I personally love the music with the run.

laters.

wilko is here · Jun 19, 2007, 11:07 AM // 11:07

ummmm not meaning to sond stupid

but can it be done with 2 peeps ??

RhanoctJocosa · Jun 19, 2007, 11:19 AM // 11:19

Yes it can.

EDIT: Btw remmeh do you think you could host the rangerfow video again?. If you can't it's cool

3246251196 · Oct 27, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Okay, I just spent the last hour getting my Ranger ready for this build. I have everything you say, though, I have a Superior Rune of Vigor. And I assume that you use 3 Minor Attribute Runes for Marks, Exp and WS. So, this I have done.

The only difference is that I am sticking with my Sundering Destroyer Longbow of Fortitude.

(This is all in reply to the original poster and message)

Does this build work for Underword?