Curse

Malice Black · Aug 28, 2007, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

In my opinion, it's wrong to think that A.net introduces rare skins.

Players decide which skins are desirable and rare, and worth hundreds of ectos.

And sometimes is not even related to the rarity.

Proof? I think you can find at least 3-4 gold perfect inscribable crystallines normally on sale in high end forum, same for runic blades and stygian reavers, because they drop in HoH and every day people wins HoH.

Now, find me a perfect r9 curses raven staff 20/20, tyrian because so far I haven't seen an inscribable one. Maybe some old collector can have one, but I've been looking for one year or more and never seen one for sale.

Probably there are hundreds of perfect crystallines around, and maybe 2-3 of such raven staves, if there really are.

Now, how much a could even a collector pay for such unique item?
Even 200k would sound really a crazy price, despite the fact that such raven staff would be 100 times rarer than a perfect crystalline, so a correct price should be 150-200 million gold.

Collectors decide arbitrarily what is rare and desirable, not A.net.

I had one of those

cost me half mill if I remember correctly. Got it off Moses King who got banned for either buying gold or running bots. Prob still floatng around in-game, somewhere, would cost a lot less then I paid for it...5k maybe

kerpall · Aug 28, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

idk if its just me. But i never thought a Raven staff was that rare. I've had plenty good ones i've never bothered to post on guru. Everyone makes big deals about crystallines, so thats why you'd see more of em.

The Herbalizer · Aug 28, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

In my opinion, it's wrong to think that A.net introduces rare skins.

Players decide which skins are desirable and rare, and worth hundreds of ectos.

And sometimes is not even related to the rarity.

Proof? I think you can find at least 3-4 gold perfect inscribable crystallines normally on sale in high end forum, same for runic blades and stygian reavers, because they drop in HoH and every day people wins HoH.

Now, find me a perfect r9 curses raven staff 20/20, tyrian because so far I haven't seen an inscribable one. Maybe some old collector can have one, but I've been looking for one year or more and never seen one for sale.

Probably there are hundreds of perfect crystallines around, and maybe 2-3 of such raven staves, if there really are.

Now, how much a could even a collector pay for such unique item?
Even 200k would sound really a crazy price, despite the fact that such raven staff would be 100 times rarer than a perfect crystalline, so a correct price should be 150-200 million gold.

Collectors decide arbitrarily what is rare and desirable, not A.net.

Rare skin + Good looking skin = High Price

Rare skin + But ugly skin = Not so high price

Some dude in my guild is maybe paying a stack of ecto for r9 15>50 swamp club. There are like barely any of them. Only reason it not worth more is it has same skin as rams hammer.

Most of the people who appreciate true rarity dont play now. Hence why so many rare items dont sell for what they do.

Crystalline sword has a unique and highly knoticable (sp) skin. Inscribable ones are common as hell. Non inscribable are the 1337 ones. Not many R8-9 15>50 ones and only a few R10 ones. Hence why r10 used to sell for 1000 ecto (when ecto alot more expensive), r10 inscribable now is like somewhere around 170e (i think) which is like 850k.

if crystalline swords were an even more common drops like chaos axe then they would be waaaay less. anything rare will get a high price. rarity with desirable skin will cause an even higher price. crystalline sword was always going to be desirable when it had one of the most unique skins in gw.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

I had one of those

cost me half mill if I remember correctly. Got it off Moses King who got banned for either buying gold or running bots. Prob still floatng around in-game, somewhere, would cost a lot less then I paid for it...5k maybe

I thought it was a spam bot. Sucks he got banned as he had like the most godly stuff. 10/20 Orrish Staff, x2 +30-2s R10 Magmas, +30-2s R8 Magmas etc.

Rambo' · Aug 28, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by Abnaxus

Now, find me a perfect r9 curses raven staff 20/20, tyrian because so far I haven't seen an inscribable one. Maybe some old collector can have one, but I've been looking for one year or more and never seen one for sale.

Probably there are hundreds of perfect crystallines around, and maybe 2-3 of such raven staves, if there really are.

Now, how much a could even a collector pay for such unique item?
Even 200k would sound really a crazy price, despite the fact that such raven staff would be 100 times rarer than a perfect crystalline, so a correct price should be 150-200 million gold.

Collectors decide arbitrarily what is rare and desirable, not A.net.

Hang on a minute....Are raven staffs actually quite rare? I've got a tyrian req9 divine favor on my monk, never gave it much thought

only kept it cause it reminded me of the omen films + i liked the look of them

Icy DS · Aug 28, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

Only thing in this game worth investing large amounts of money in are items that are no longer obtainable and req 7 swords/shields/axes/hammers

Mordakai · Aug 28, 2007, 06:57 PM // 18:57

It's all a matter of opinion. Personally, if it doesn't carry over into GW2, than it's not worth investing in.

Hyper Cutter · Aug 28, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Kushiels_Scion

cause how does that dude that mention a stygian reaver green well what else would it be but MALLYX reaver.

He's talking about one of the Kinslayer greens, actually...

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Originally Posted by Rambo'

Hang on a minute....Are raven staffs actually quite rare? I've got a tyrian req9 divine favor on my monk, never gave it much thought

only kept it cause it reminded me of the omen films + i liked the look of them

I don't think it's that raven staffs are rare, it's that ones that don't suck are extremely rare due to the idiotic way the Tyrian/Canthan system works...

Retribution X · Aug 28, 2007, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Most of the people who appreciate true rarity dont play now. Hence why so many rare items dont sell for what they do.

Crystalline sword has a unique and highly noticable skin. Inscribable ones are common as hell. Non inscribable are the 1337 ones. Not many R8-9 15>50 ones and only a few R10 ones. Hence why r10 used to sell for 1000 ecto (when ecto alot more expensive), r10 inscribable now is like somewhere around 170e (i think) which is like 850k.

if crystalline swords were an even more common drops like chaos axe then they would be waaaay less. anything rare will get a high price. rarity with desirable skin will cause an even higher price. crystalline sword was always going to be desirable when it had one of the most unique skins in gw.

/applaude

Bingo. nail on the head. beat in the face.

Whatever. you just made one helluva point. People don't pay 100K+ for a 15>50 req 9 White scythe because they like the skin. they pay that for it because the name is friggen rare. (Like, old-skool Sickle rarity...)

ShadowbaneX · Aug 29, 2007, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

If going by what you say. When do you finally conclude that mass depreciation wont occur? 2 months after the skin being introduced? Half a year? 1 year?

I don't care about when, I just think it should come down. I think it should be a rare drop, like Golden Phoenix Blades, or Platinum Blades, Celestial, Dead, etc. I think it should just be available in PvE. I don't think it should solely be available in PvP.

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I dont own a Runic Blade and never had. Not sure why you think I own one :S

Because you made it sound like you did, or at least there was an impression there. You started talking about you buying PS2s and CD players or whatever. I was extending upon that scenario, but you could easily have been replaced with 'someone'. This little thing isn't part of the larger debate, so I'll be continuing on.

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Anet dont need to make protection plans. They shouldnt introduce skins when they think they will make them common months later. Dont make a skin so rare that it can be only expensive then decide to make it a skin worth a few k. Surely they must have had some idea of what skins they were going to add in GWEN around the time the Runic Blade was added to HoH.

Why not? Why can't ANet change their minds? Why can't they just introduce it as a rare, high end item like so many others? Why can't the Runic Blade skin drop in high end GW:EN areas, just like Mursaat Bows and Hammers drop in Prophecies. Like Celestials, Zodiacs or whatever in Factions. Like Dead or Elemental Sword, etc in Nightfall? Would it really kill things if this happened? In mentioning the Dead Sword, I know it became rather common due to the Ungrateful Slaves quest and over-farming, much like the Dead Bows and Sephis Axes from the farming outside Bergen Hot Springs. If they were to impliment it I would hope that it wouldn't be put in a similar, easily over-farmed location.

ANet just seperated the PvP aspect from Favour, something that is solely PvE. Rare-skined items are something that is solely PvE. Why then should it only be accessible in PvP? To keep it rare? Why keep it so impossibly rare?

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Yes, because I am the biggest jerk in GW. If you can provide a scrap of proof that I have ever said anything along those lines I would love to see it. I mean my e-peen must be sooo big what with my main char, my warrior using 1.5k/collectors armour and everything... Those 1.5k/collectors armours sure do increase that e-peen.

I never said anything about your character. You might infer that but where did I actually say that I was mentioning you specifically? You say that you're not that way, and I'm inclined to accept that, but there are others out there, that are exactly like this. People that want rare-skins and titles to stay very difficult because they went to insane lengths to get them and don't want others to get it easier. They don't want to see what they've done become common because this diminishes their 'achievements'.

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Not sure why you listed like everything you own. Most of my characters have like 1.5k armour bar two who have fow

But I have the biggest e-peen ever...

I didn't list everything I own, far from it, I was merely stating my reasons why I wanted what I did, with examples, and how they differed from those that buy stuff simply because it's rare.

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Yeah nothing wrong with Anet changing their minds all the time. Adding rare skins all the time and then making them common is wrong. They keep on doing it so they are totally aware that when they add rare skins they could make them common.

Would you have a problem with inscribable gold Crystalline and Dwarven axes dropping in pve a common drop? I mean is it unfair on those who owned them? What with them being a hoh only drop for 2 years and being a rare drop aswell. Is it the owners faults? Did they buy too soon?

No, actually, there isn't much wrong with it. Personally, I'm not fond of either skin, but that's just me. It's they're game, they're intellectual property. If they decide to change how it functions, it's their perogative. Granted, as I've said before, I don't want the skin to be a common skin, I'm fine with it being a rare skin. I just want it to be a rare skin that drops in PvE in addition to PvP.

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Inscribable purple are as good as inscribable golds. If you just cared about skins with usable stats you wouldnt care if purple or gold.

And I said as much in my previous post. I wouldn't mine personally having an inscribable purple with the skin I liked. However, I want that skin to actually drop in PvE and not just solely in PvP and I want it to drop in gold as well as purple. I don't think that PvP should have sole access over anything that is primarily PvE.

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Its not too hard to work out whether you want a skin to be common or rare. If rare skins keep on being made common one could only presume that Anet prefer for skins to be common over rare. So why keep adding rare skins and changing their mind? Hundreds of ecto are being lost and to get those ecto usually alot of time is needed. Anet are causing uncertainty amoung item collectos and those who want certain skins. Noone knows what is going to be devalued drastically next. And players wonder why some item collectors wont touch anything other than Tyrian items...

It's not too hard to work out that you've got no idea what I want, despite me saying, repeatedly what I want. Right now there's common, rare and 'only drops in HoH'. I think that last one should go away and that the items that drop there should drop in high end areas of PvE as rare drops. Perhaps along the lines of the Tormented Weapons, or perhaps just rare drops in the Fire Islands, the Deep/Urgoz or the Realm of Torment.

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Originally Posted by the_jos

This kind of reaction confirms to me that the discussion is not about skin, but about cash.

It isn't so much about cash per se, but time, which, following the old saying is money in a way.

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To win HoH, you need to invest a substancial amount of time in the HA game.
Time not spend on farming and other ways of income.
There is always the possibility you will not hold and have to start over again.
And not all HoH drops are that good.
I don't mind some HoH drops being better rewards than PvE.

This is time that I'd rather spend on my other hobbies, like video games besides Guild Wars, movies, tv, friends, PnP RPGs, etc. Besides, I don't like GW's PvP. If I want to go out play something against other people, I load up Red Orchestra, grab a rifle or hop in a tank and replay some historic battles, rather then go through with the Build Wars which is PvP.

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If you want the uber weapon you have two choices.
Farm PvE and get one expensive from PvP player.
Or start playing HA.
Seems fair to me....

Doesn't seem fair to me. As I've previously stated, I think that PvP should not hold sole control over any aspect of PvE. I still want it rare, just as Elemental Swords are rare (or other similiar items, Tormented Swords, etc) but I do not believe that it should only drop in HoH chests. If they only drop from Destroyers in the final area of GW:EN, I'm ok with that, but they should still drop somewhere in PvE.

kerpall · Aug 29, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

I just think so many people wouldnt be as p*ssed, if people realized sure these items are becoming more common. but people offering 100k for a r9 runic blade is taking advantage of the situation.

just an example: Elemental Swords. have been pve since the start, they still worth quite a bit. People considering these new Pve/ex-HoH-only items as dirt cheap gets me (and possibly others) mad. Just because they drop in pve now, doesnt meen that they will drop like hot-cakes. (unless ofcourse their droprate has been turned into a very common skin)

Ser The Monk · Aug 29, 2007, 04:11 AM // 04:11

ANET has already screwed up the guild wars economy. Everything is at a low, ectos are varying between 5k each, and everything is becoming either nerfed/overfarmed. You do not need to pvp to get pvp weapons - just pve to get the money THEN buy them. Making things more common will just upset more ppl, destroy the economy even more, and eventually kill gw (PVE-wise).

Cathode_Reborn · Aug 29, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by Ser The Monk

ANET has already screwed up the guild wars economy. Everything is at a low, ectos are varying between 5k each, and everything is becoming either nerfed/overfarmed. You do not need to pvp to get pvp weapons - just pve to get the money THEN buy them. Making things more common will just upset more ppl, destroy the economy even more, and eventually kill gw (PVE-wise).

The only people upset are the hardcore traders (the ones that seem to stand in kamadan all day). They're the minority when it comes to this. Anet made a change to please the majority. I have no idea what you're talking about but just about everyone I know is pleased with the change.

For those traders, GW is pretty much dead now. Everything that used to be extremely rare, dwarven/tribal axes, runic blades, plat items, etc, are now inscribable drops in EotN....time for them to find a new game.

I'm liking this new change

pork soldier · Aug 29, 2007, 06:10 AM // 06:10

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

People always ask me to show them my rare shizzle whenever I am in like LA or Ascalon ID1. I get lots of wispers and pms on guru too... I guess people who I dont even know do care about what I own lolz...

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

People are grinding to buy a cool skin. They spend dozens of hours grinding for it. Anet know this will happen when they made the drop rate low. Tons of people grind and grind to get the skin. Then a few months later Anet decide they dont want it to be rare. Is that fair that Anet have done that? Anet should never have made the skin rare in the first place.

If you grind for hours to buy a cool skin then you're grinding to buy a consumer item, and just like in real life consumer crap in game never retains value. A smart player would grind to sell the "rare" skin before it becomes common then they'd re-buy it later for a sane price, assuming they wanted it in the first place. There is no reason to have sympathy for someone who can't grasp this basic idea, pity yes, sympathy no. It's just bad decision making to grind and enrich someone else through your efforts.

Your attempt here to bolster your own interests by advocating for "the poor grinder" is pretty funny.

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

They are driving players away from the game through doing shit like that. Making the skin common to begin with wont piss people off and make them quit.

Orly? Last time I checked they were accumulating new players faster than they were losing them. I don't think the sky is falling yet, if anything the game is more fun right now than it has been in a long time.

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

There is nothing wrong being rich, collecting items etc. Stop saying rich people or making out they are the most evil thing in GW. One could easily say poor people are nothing but lazy scrubs but that would be jerkish just like attacking item collectors just because they like collecting stuff.

No, there's nothing wrong with being rich. There is something wrong with staring reality in the face and then trying to argue against it. This is a casual game that isn't designed around you or your collector/materialist playstyle, you can't expect your "super valuable" material crap to stay super valuable forever. Expecting this, and whining about it when it doesn't happen shows a clear lack of foresight.

You have to understand that the majority of 4 million accounts don't even have 20k in storage, much less millions in cash or stacks of zomgrare items. Your in-game satisfaction weighed against the interests of that mass really isn't relevant. Guild Wars doesn't get better by making *you* happy.

If you're already as e-cool as your first paragraph suggests then what's wrong with the game right now? What's wrong with allowing other people to be cool too? The game has changed a lot in two years, adapt.

Pnumonic · Sep 26, 2007, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Well your out of luck with your runic's now i would say, ive seen 5 drop in 2 hours of running HoS chest runs.

Apart the 3 greens cyndirs aegis heart and edge there were runic's 2 of which were Q9 2 Q10 and a Q12 and theyre now fetching 100k +10 to 20 ecto's in kam doubt it will be long before theyre sub 100k, sickles legendarys and platinum staffs dropping all the time too.

Its like a free for if you can run, shame ....

masta_yoda · Sep 27, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

The funny thing is when you see these idiots wearing fow armor.

maybe people like the looks of their armor? and can afford it??

Freeze_XJ · Oct 30, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

Eeeh something most guys of you seem to forget is that there is a huge influx of gold in the game. Every second millions of gold pieces drop, as a result of farming, or just normal drops. If left unchecked, everyone would own 100 Plat in no time, resulting in extremely low prices. (or extremely high, if the ecto-influx was lower). In other words : devaluation.

Now consider : we have extremely rare items. Only a few can buy them. They farm 12 hours a day, or just are smartest to find a new way of income. They'd become a huge item-sink, and well, if there's only 200 perfect Runic Blades around, and the Herbalizers of the game all own one, Joe Sixpack can never get one, no matter how long he saves. Anet wants all things to be attainable by Joe as well, so they decide to kick the wealthy few, and do that hard. Right now, you spent millions getting the cool weapons, and to make you bleed for that (to get you closer to the average guy), Anet throws in another set of those weapons, only this time, a big amount. What happens? Right, you loose money, so that's settled.

The next problem is how to make sure that people just won't rage-quit. They can't. There will always be a certain minority that invested so much, they can't take it, and go to WoW. The trick is to keep the balance between happy Joes and happy Herbs. As there's many more Joes, their fun will count heavier, so add 1 and 1.

The only thing you can buy, is time. (which, ironically, you invested while getting the cash to do so) Or, if you really want to be special, get something that won't be changed. Req7 weapons, or in lesser amount, req8. They're rare, and won't ever (hmmm not so sure about that nowadays) become common again. If you desire a pimp-factor, choose wisely. Joe won't ever see how rare a 5-27 sickle was, nor will he ever. He just grabs that blade if the stats are nice, no matter whether he wields a crystalline or a short sword. You care... because you know. Then know that anything is bound to devaluate just as fast as Anet wants it to be.