Curse

Avarre · Nov 08, 2007, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

I'm surprised that these are the lines right before what you have quote. My friend only has Nightfall and Eye of the North, and it's very difficult to construct a well-balanced monk build let alone for normal mode. It was not balanced for him in the first place, because he does not have all the campaigns. He's a university student, and he can only play once or twice a week. What should he do? Force him to buy them all? Force him to play more? So what if he wants to play Hard Mode with Ursan Blessing, so that he can actually play Hard Mode, despite his current situation? What makes you believe that you have the rights to control how others are playing the game?

I'll address this because it's a valid point. In December there was a tournament where only Nightfall and Core skills were allowed. The fact that it even existed is proof that with only Nightfall, you can make a build. Especially for PvE.

What you lose as a monk without the other two chapters, in terms of viable skills:

Prophecies;
Kiss
RC

Factions;
Spirit Bond
Gift
Signet of Rejuvinattion

What you still have in Nightfall/core/EotN (well balanced monk setup)

Light of Deliverance / Zealous Benediction, both solid monk elites for different styles of play and areas.

Reversal of Fortune, the key monk skill.

Protective Spirit, reducing mass damage in Hard Mode.

Guardian/Shield of Absorption, efficient small prots.

Words of Comfort, direct target 5e heal.

Dismiss Condition, condi removal and heal.

Holy Veil and Cure Hex, strong hex removals.

Basically, all the components of a balanced monk build are still there. No real major restrictions on play are on your friend. Would he learn this if he relied on Ursan?

bungusmaximus · Nov 08, 2007, 07:02 AM // 07:02

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

I am sick of the selfishness of you people. Honestly, why in the world are you so strict about the these morals with skill matters over time? Guild Wars is basically over, you know it, I know it. So what if Anet is willing to continue to support it? You know hardly a soul will be on the server as Guild Wars 2 is out. Why can't the casual players have their moment in the sun just for this short period of time before it's all gone?

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

If you are so skillful with the given fundamentals, like about twenty players have said: GO PLAY PVP. Have you considered that there are players who started the game late, who do not own a certain campaign and who don't have enough time to play? I had to tell a friend of mine who started when Nightfall was released that he can't play in Hero's Acsent, because he doesn't have all the skills and the rank. Do you know how crappy his heroes's skills are? No, you don't. However, with the existence of Ursan Blessing, I can bring him the good news that he can play in Hard Mode. Sounds quite a hardship isn't it, and have you ever considered for people like that? No, you didn't, because you only want the game for yourself.

I cleared Urgoz' Warren while I didn't even find out yet what attribute points were, being a little social goes a long way (Hello team I am an enormous noob so show me around a bit). I still don't get it why a game should be balanced around people that are baed. And you can play in HA at any time, you just won't win halls. Competitive PvP means there will be...competition.

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Guild Wars is only a game; it's not life, where is queer and what not, so leave it be.

Yeah but if it wasn't for GW, that why would we be on this forum in the first place. Stop saying from people that discuss the game on guru that they have no life. There really isn't anything else to discuss on a game forum now is there?

lishi · Nov 08, 2007, 07:58 AM // 07:58

You know? i changed my idea.

UB is fine. If someone want a decent game they can just not use it.

Plus i think they need restore the item duplication bug. Seriusly if you dont like it you can easly not use it.

Wait that would be only for hardcore player who can understand the exploit i suggest a duplication window ingame. dont forget the shurtcurt too.

manitoba1073 · Nov 08, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

It actually proves alot. The fact that the skill itself isnt overpowered. The problem is that the majority of players won be in full groups of UB. They will be themselfs and H/H. That will be the vast majority. 1 UB in the group is not over powered.

Like any other skill in game you add multiples and they all are overpowered.

Ok Akuma looks like the first one PM in game anytime you're on. Tarn Vedre

Lishi- You're being retarded if you are trying to compare UB with duping. And making a great case for your side though

Fallout- and what game have you been playing? Really GW hasnt been a Team game for a long time. Oh I get it you're afraid to take that big bad bear agaisnt some lvl 14 - lvl 18's if you're alone.

lishi · Nov 08, 2007, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

It actually proves alot. The fact that the skill itself isnt overpowered. The problem is that the majority of players won be in full groups of UB. They will be themselfs and H/H. That will be the vast majority. 1 UB in the group is not over powered.

Like any other skill in game you add multiples and they all are overpowered.

Ok Akuma looks like the first one PM in game anytime you're on. Tarn Vedre

Lishi- You're being retarded if you are trying to compare UB with duping. And making a great case for your side though

Fallout- and what game have you been playing? Really GW hasnt been a Team game for a long time. Oh I get it you're afraid to take that big bad bear agaisnt some lvl 14 - lvl 18's if you're alone.

Im not comparing UB with duplication, i want underline the fact "you dont like it, dont use it" is not a good justification of not fixing something.

ryanryanryan0310 · Nov 08, 2007, 10:29 AM // 10:29

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Originally Posted by trobinson97

Agreed. At least we know Gaile has passed the concern on. There's really no point in arguing anymore. All we can do is hope that Anet listens to the majority in this case. At this point all you have are people who'd rather flame you than come with legitimate counter points. It's all they have left.

Legitimate counter points:

1) Ursan blessing overpowered!

2) Players in the game shouldn't rely only on ONE skill.

3) Hardmode can still be done without any PvE only skills.

4) Whats the point of playing a game where you just press two buttons.

5) When they nerf Ursan learn to adapt and overcome.

Edited by RTS - Don't try to be clever and turn this into a real flame fest. No other warnings will be even.

RTSFirebat · Nov 08, 2007, 10:49 AM // 10:49

Look this thread is already chalk full of flame and hate, don't turn this into a off topic discussion about some random forum users.

Don't give us a reason to shut this flame fest down, I've deleted any puts in relation to the user hate, you know who you are. So don't so it.

Njall · Nov 08, 2007, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Ursan is overpowered.. but it's damned cool to be able to go in DoA without being bored to death. I play a Warrior. I hated the f.....g Obsidian tanker build. Now I can go in DoA and have some fun.

Btw, speaking of balance.
I'm a warrior, max armor 80+20 vs physical.. I go in Depths of Destruction and use Dolyak Signet... Power attack from a destroyer hits for about 250 damage. Where is balance ?

tmakinen · Nov 08, 2007, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by Njall

Ursan is overpowered.. but it's damned cool to be able to go in DoA without being bored to death. I play a Warrior. I hated the f.....g Obsidian tanker build. Now I can go in DoA and have some fun.

Hating Obsidian tanking is good for you

but you can go to DoA with a warrior and have fun without UB as well, you'll just have to bring the proper team build.

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Originally Posted by Njall

Btw, speaking of balance.
I'm a warrior, max armor 80+20 vs physical.. I go in Depths of Destruction and use Dolyak Signet... Power attack from a destroyer hits for about 250 damage. Where is balance ?

In having an enfeebling necro and a prot monk on your side, never leave an outpost without them

Atra Culpa · Nov 08, 2007, 11:13 AM // 11:13

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