Curse

trobinson97 · Oct 22, 2007, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

What I don't agree with though is someone using a full Ursanway build to BBQPWN an area, and then shouting "nerf!" because it's all too easy. So...you want to use an Ursanway build but destroy the skill for those who want to use it on their own with henchmen? I don't agree with that. It is powerful, granted, but at least it's elite.

Very much in agreement.

Aryn Rand · Oct 22, 2007, 11:37 AM // 11:37

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Originally Posted by Orinn

Untrue. The damage is reduced by armor as normal. As the attacks are skills, though, they can hit through heavy blocking and blinds that normally render melee ineffectual. I bring it because it's solid DPS that is a lot more resistant to melee-hate than normal builds.

The kd is reduced by armor but Ursan Strike ignores armor.

Star Gazer · Oct 22, 2007, 12:45 PM // 12:45

why does everyone feel the need to complain about how powerful skills are in PvE? Don't like it? DON'T USE IT! that simple.

trobinson97 · Oct 22, 2007, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

why does everyone feel the need to complain about how powerful skills are in PvE? Don't like it? DON'T USE IT! that simple.

Because they don't want you to use it either, and that gives them pleasure.

Enas · Oct 22, 2007, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by Orinn

Untrue. The damage is reduced by armor as normal. As the attacks are skills, though, they can hit through heavy blocking and blinds that normally render melee ineffectual. I bring it because it's solid DPS that is a lot more resistant to melee-hate than normal builds.

Halftrue actually...

The prime attack of the bear "Ursan Claws" deals armor-ignoring damage. The AoE Knockdown skill "Ursan Force"s damage is reduced by armor.

Wacky · Oct 23, 2007, 09:00 AM // 09:00

I've always been curious - someone explain this to me:

Ursan Strike - Deals about 37.5 dps at rank 10 norn (armor ignoring)
Ursan Rage - 135 damage + KD every 1s

Spiteful Spirit - 37 armor ignoring AOE damage per skill use per attack (in HM, with the imba IAS that should be once per second or more)

Or even Empathy - 41 per attack

How does someone with Ursan do more DPS than someone with Spiteful spirit + other skills?

The +armor and +health isn't really all that important an issue if you have proper tanking.

tmakinen · Oct 23, 2007, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Well, at r10 norn Ursan Strike has a sustainable rate of 37.5 DPS (armor ignoring). In addition to that Ursan Rage does 12.3 DPS (assuming single target) and sword (taking into account a 66% duty cycle, i.e., you're swinging when not using the ursan skills, and the damage boost from Ursan Roar) does another 14.9 DPS, for a total of 64.7 DPS. That number is not alarming by itself but the fact that most of the damage is
* ranged
* armor ignoring
* immune to melee hate
makes it somewhat overpowered. Other than that, +AL and +HP, KD every 10 seconds and induced weakness 1/3 of the time are nothing that a non-ursan build cannot replicate. Warriors actually have the least to gain from UB and its main purpose is, as I see it, to let squishies play pretend a warrior. My elementalist certainly approves

Esan · Oct 23, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

The efficacy of Ursan Blessing is overblown quite a bit. The first energy denial mob you run into destroys the build, and you will meet several on your vanq/guardian journeys. At best, it will speed up brainless vanq runs like Mount Quinkai or Perdition Rock.

Sacratus Ignis · Oct 23, 2007, 07:40 PM // 19:40

ive now beaten over 1/2 the HM dungeons in GWEN using 2 or 3 UB wars. these are supposed to be like the toughest challenges in the expansion, and they are pathetically easy now. and energy denial mobs cant deny energy when they are sitting on the ground bc they get KD'd permanently. If you're worried about 20energy wars, run UB on paras... they get more energy. or run it on an ele if you are willing to sacrifice some armor for perma blessing.

i dont feel like this skill needs a nerf, but my alliance has been using it to break the game. We ran 5 UBs on HM urgoz and finished that run in an hour and 20mins... about 25mins faster than our previous record

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Originally Posted by Esan

The efficacy of Ursan Blessing is overblown quite a bit. The first energy denial mob you run into destroys the build, and you will meet several on your vanq/guardian journeys. At best, it will speed up brainless vanq runs like Mount Quinkai or Perdition Rock.

draceena · Oct 23, 2007, 10:23 PM // 22:23

I hope Anet don't touch this at all. I don't find it too overpowering if it's only myself using it with a full hero/hench team, and in fact it can be detremental with too much energy denial spells flying.

It's helped me in vanquising some areas I was just dying over and over on before but it was certainl no "god mode" I still had to watch where I and my heros/ hench were to make it work.

Whirlwind · Oct 23, 2007, 10:36 PM // 22:36

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Originally Posted by Ravi

ursan blessing is not overpowered, is just good when used in grps of more than one, its not like TnTF or seed of life wich were TRULY overpowered, since they could be used only by 1 person in the grp to be effective.

only 1 person in the grp with ursan blessing does not make a difference.

stop trying to make the game cater to you, and leave it be, found it too powerful? dont use it.

Yep my point exactly.

Whirlwind · Oct 23, 2007, 10:39 PM // 22:39

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Originally Posted by Targuil

It is armor ignoring dmg. Fireball or most else fast recharging things aren't.

1 of the skills is armor ignoring, the other takes very heavy penalties from armor.

Sprites · Oct 23, 2007, 10:41 PM // 22:41

try using this on an ele , just sucks

everybody doesn't have warriors

Whirlwind · Oct 23, 2007, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus

Well I don't want to be told to bring some imba-cheat skill when I pug for, say, Urgoz hard mode or something like that. My own bar kills stuff good enough when I keep my wits about me. If I want a game to be ridiculously easy I'll play patience. Time > Skill wasn't it?

Imba cheat skill? Oh so that was you at anet who put this 'cheat' in their own game.

Yeah so its very slightly over powered. IF you can manage to get more then like 2 people together (with a high grind title) to do something in the first place.... When its just you and heroes all it does is kind of help to make up for the crappy hench ai that you cant micro.

Warskull · Oct 24, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Ursan Blessing alway requires you to sacrifice your elite slot and lose your entire skill bar when you put it up. If you are a bad player this is all well and great. However, I can personally do a ton of damage+utility that I lose when spamming bear skills. If the blessings aren't powerful, they are totally useless. The 6 ursans is just basically an IWAY for PvErs. Try running a proper physical pressure build in PvE and watch what happens.

Atomos · Oct 24, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Meh, i don't care if people use it or not. I guess its great for professions that are normally overlooked, or has a low dps. Personally i dont use it cause i still find avatar of lyssa + scythe atks hitting 3 foes much more fun

Joe Fierce · Oct 24, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by Star Gazer

why does everyone feel the need to complain about how powerful skills are in PvE? Don't like it? DON'T USE IT! that simple.

omg, you took the words outta my mouth, straight up thats just it, it's not like pvp where if you don't meta you get rolled..i mean ffs, just don't use it and quit complaining and effing it up for peeps who do like it...

-joe fierce

Whiskeyjack · Oct 24, 2007, 10:57 AM // 10:57

While i agree that PvE does not require the same amount balance that PvP does I do think some sembelance of balance must be maintained. Most of the PvE only skills are ok being slightly more powerful version's of regular skills or providing a useful effect that you would normally have to spec another attribute line to get.
The problems arise when a certain number of skills are so powerful that even "bad" players can steamroll any area in the game without even breaking a sweat. Ursan falls into this category (SY! being another culprit imo), I believe this skill was included due to all the whining from certain quarters that the previous campaigns were to hard(obviously untrue) so Anet decided to include a skill that any fool could use and expect to win.
Some people have pointed out that Ursan is an elite and therefore should be powerful, which is certainly true to some extent but compare Ursan to the other 2 blessings-Ursan is noticably better.
As I said in another post somewhere I would like Ursans attacks to be made into melee attacks and therfore subject to nomal counters but perhaps add a few more skills for each form so that you get a full 8 skill bar with some interesting attacks and utility effects, however i doubt that will happen.

impression · Oct 24, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Hi,

Well, unless you can give a example where "Ursan Blessing" teams give a LARGE advantage over a semi decent team build you can't say it is over powered. I said "teams" because, only one person with it doesn't make much.
I personally have used "Ursan Blessing" before but, I realized that I was better off with a decent skill bar. Never touched it again.
As a final note, comparatively there are other PvE skills allot more overpowered than this one. At least two of them never leave my skill bar ^^.

Have fun,
impression

Vulkanyaz · Oct 24, 2007, 03:41 PM // 15:41

It dosen't actually make you turn into a bear. So it needs an upgrade, not a nerf!