Curse

Onarik Amrak · Dec 08, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Maybe we should argue the semantics behind fix and nerf.

True, its usefulness to casters has been hit harder than melee professions.

But it's still just a fix and not really a nerf.

mcsumo · Dec 08, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

I think it was a good idea to make it melee range (just coz it makes sense)
.....BUT if they are gonna fix it why not really fix it? Instead of + armor, set armor to 95-105 depending on rank. Set energy to 50-60 depending on rank. Make strike a melee attack so that blind does affect it. Make the 2 attacks slightly more damaging. Then you would have a good elite skill that treats everyone the same, but isn't totally imba.

blue.rellik · Dec 08, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

I don't see what's wrong.

Ursan gives you a big life boost, a nice armour boost, a shout that weakens everything in range and a aoe-adjacent knockdown skill and people are still worried that they're going to die?

[DE] · Dec 08, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

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Originally Posted by Citadel Runner

Its so obvious. ANET makes a super skill so that everyone will be excited about it, hear about it, and buy GWEN. After all, if you don't have GWEN, you can't have Ursan Blessing. ANET gets to a point where most sales are fairly saturated and slow down. ANET changes the game. ANET changes the skills. ANET allows level 10's to now come into the game. Its all about money. Period.

I think the common term is "Bait and Switch"

I think the correct term is "overpowered"

Oh no, now people have to start using the next best overpowered skill, Save Yourselves. PVE IS RUINED

Steboy93 · Dec 08, 2007, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by redarow46

Oh great now the Ice Imps can just hit you at range and while you walk in slow motion and you can't do anything until you get there .......You Idiots !

Hahaha dear god is the average player this degenerate?

Funniest quote for ages, i LOL at you

Burst Cancel · Dec 08, 2007, 09:37 PM // 21:37

It's been a while since I've seen a thread quite so full of fail as this one. Given that this is GWG, that's Saying Something.

redarow could be a poster kid for birth control.

Washi · Dec 09, 2007, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by Valeria

Since 95% of the enemys have some way of freezin/crippling you it decreases the usefulness of ursan blessing.

LOL are we playing the same game? I don't think so.

This thread is so full of bs I can't believe it. Learn to play people.
I'm waiting till someone suggests that UB should be available in pvp lol.

Moloch Vein · Dec 09, 2007, 03:07 AM // 03:07

I play necromancer and I like this change.

I like it because it forces the Ursans to tank. That's what they're supposed to do.

I don't like the skill, but there are people running this for areas, and I'm more than comfortable using this insanely overpowered skill, be it with 60 or 80 base armor rating.

Maybe the retards running this skill now have to learn that you don't go as an Ursan "tank" with 400 health, or no shield, or no attributes put into said shield.

When I run this, I play with 655 health (disregarding Ursan's bonus), 76AL (again disregarding) and +10 +30 vs Slashing. Trust me, it works.

MercenaryKnight · Dec 09, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

The nerf isn't that bad, all we do is now body block enemies from going to our monks. Bad thing is the ai flee that we will now encounter from touch range. Basically it's a little more work and now we'll need melee weapons and to spam ursan rage to run into melee.

strcpy · Dec 09, 2007, 07:28 AM // 07:28

I've always defended this skill - it gives those of us that prefer one of the non-cookie cutter class/builds to get into a group pretty much anywhere (though it obviously a cookie cutter build). I said it still took knowing how to position and use your skills, nor was it truly a "single skill" as it replaced your skill bar. More akin to getting a cookie cutter build off of PvXWiki and some of them (Paragon anyone?) was even more overpowered. I still firmly believe this and that neither one needs a nerf.

However - if this change really makes it such that you can longer use the skill, just quit. I mean really - this is, by far, the most powerful skill in the game. If you can't figure out how multiple UB's can use a spammable 2s AoE knockdown to neuter *any* group you oppose then you deserve to die (IMO this has *always* been the most abusable part of the build, even with just one person using UB). It never occurred to me that the ranged part was what most people found key as I found the spammable AoE Knockdown/interrupt with any class able to be upfront and use it as the most unbalanced.

Casters get *more* than enough armor and health boost to tank, add in that even a poorly organized UB group should be keeping the enemy on their back most of the time (and then - who gives a flip what your armor rating is?) and you still have a button mashing kill everything build (and now, you don't even need to worry about putting yourself into the correct range for the knockdown - just mash "2" after mashing "1").

I'm just as disappointed by the people who consider this the nerf that it had coming. If this was all you needed I would have agreed from day one to "nerf" it as this is a buff to the button masher. It takes the same level of ignorance to consider this an effective nerf whether you intend said nerf as good or bad. So, no, don't take this as me saying you guys are correct either - anyone who considers this much more than a *really* mild nerf falls into the "WTF?" category, anyone who thinks this changes much at all falls into the "you suck" category.

Nemo the Capitalist · Dec 09, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Citadel Runner

Its so obvious. ANET makes a super skill so that everyone will be excited about it, hear about it, and buy GWEN. After all, if you don't have GWEN, you can't have Ursan Blessing. ANET gets to a point where most sales are fairly saturated and slow down. ANET changes the game. ANET changes the skills. ANET allows level 10's to now come into the game. Its all about money. Period.

I think the common term is "Bait and Switch"

Thank goodnes they is someeone sane in here who cna understand the lame marketing ploty ANET IS doing.

Glad im not the only one

Tyrany of the ignorant

~GG

Racthoh · Dec 09, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

All three blessings received a change to their main attack; it wasn't a nerf it was a bug fix to match how these skills worked during the main storyline.

Mr Fizzle · Dec 09, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

You still have 300+ Ursan ways looking to clear places,its not like you still can't use the skill to power your way through pve.

The Meth · Dec 09, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by mcsumo

I think it was a good idea to make it melee range (just coz it makes sense)
.....BUT if they are gonna fix it why not really fix it? Instead of + armor, set armor to 95-105 depending on rank. Set energy to 50-60 depending on rank. Make strike a melee attack so that blind does affect it. Make the 2 attacks slightly more damaging. Then you would have a good elite skill that treats everyone the same, but isn't totally imba.

Agree with everything except the set energy and making them more damaging. The biggest problem is people getting a natural 140-150 armor on certain classes and setting it to 100 base and not being modifiable + lowering damage and/or nerf the recharge on the knockdown skill would make it less of a c-space bar that a 2 year old could use.

Taurus · Dec 09, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

This thread has brighten up my day.

DRGN · Dec 09, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

This is a taste of what would/will happen when/if they nerf Ursan.

I hope they do. I could use additional lulz from more threads like this one.

SnipiousMax · Dec 09, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

From past experience, this subject has some pretty polarized views. What I've read so far isn't enough to convince me that this thread isn't going the direction of the last one.