Curse

Grumpy · Sep 20, 2007, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Yea, it's one of the few left for my title, and no matter what I seem to do, the one place I flag my minion master seems to fall everytime. I've tried starting at both the east and the west flagging two Whispers groups, and an MM over there, and it still drops before I can clear the east. Even if I try it the opposite way around, I still can't seem to keep the one station alive long enough for me to get back and prevent them from killing the second spot, thus ruining masters. I really am at the point of tearing out my hair. It's frustrating to do this mission 15 times, and something different goes wrong each time. So, help?

arsie · Sep 20, 2007, 08:09 AM // 08:09

I recommend that you go with a friend who has an MM as well. Very obvious solution, but there's a very good reason for it.

Dzagonur Bastion, Jennur's Horde, and Grand Court of Sebelkeh all benefit from another pair of human eyes watching out for spawn groups.

There are people who have done these H&H, but just one other player make these so much easier.

Warrior first, Elementalists last. You'll probably need to run back to fight some fires while you're killing the bosses.

Jaceb · Sep 20, 2007, 02:18 PM // 14:18

Hmm i'm not sure if you're doing the NM or HM version but i'd go with NM as thats the one i did. Bring running skills and be ready to break off fighting bosses if defenses are falling besides they usually follow you anyway. There will be enough corpses for two MM's, one of them should run with you - anything that can cause distraction to enemies is a good thing.

1. Send all except one whispers group to defend eastern position as it's getting hit the hardest & soonest. And send one MM hero there too with "attack" orders.

2. Leave one group of whispers to defend middle position.

3. You should run to between western and middle position killing them as they come.

4. Just before the bosses come position yourself close to warrior boss, you can pull him far away from his position. Take him to western and kill him there.

5. Start pushing towards monk boss but keep an eye if center needs help as both paragon & monk's troops attack there. The monk boss is a pushover, just gank him down as fast as possible, ignore everything else the boss must die (goes for all of them), you can wrap up the left overs after or pull them with you.

6. RUN to center & eastern position as they need help by this moment. Your MM hero might be dead at this moment as is needing a rez. Defend both positions until the dust settles.

7. It's entirely your choice which boss to kill first but i took out elementalist as they're closer to Eastern position.

8. If you're killing elementalist first like i did, the center position might get attacked while doing this so you have to break off combat again. You can leave that MM-hero there instead just for that case.

9. Elementalist is dead and it's time to wrap things up.

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Dont forget those running skills and take devona too if you want more of them. There's no time to run normally when the waves start to come. Maximize your screen to see things as you can almost see the whole battlefield with a little turning. If for some reason you're failing to kill things fast enough, bring elementalists (cynn & herta) - it's about DPS and time.

kazjun · Sep 21, 2007, 04:46 AM // 04:46

The whole mission is about killing the bosses. If you see a monk or such, then kill them. But otherwise, with the siege damage, the troops there are enough to hold everything. Just attack the bosses. After you kill them, then break off and run to the next boss. You should be able to kill all the bosses (ending the mission) before you lose any defences. A MM does help as a screen, but try to at least have half the party for damage. A warr train is enough with H/H, but if you can get people then assassins are even better. Nice spike kill then off to next boss. Just don't get bogged down fighting cannon fodder.

sixofone · Sep 28, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

This mission was a be-atch. Two of my characters did this with H&H and got expert's, two got master's on their first run. The two who got experts were both spellcaster classes (a Necro and an Elementalist) - my fighter classes were able to get the bosses down fast enough that they were able to win with minimal losses. (My Sin had 6/6 defenses, my Ranger 5/6).

I finally, after many tries (and lots of screaming at the stupidity of the AI), managed to get master's for my spellcasters. I had Master of Whispers and Talkora watch the West bombard with 1 group of Whispers. He was a MM, she a Prot monk. I kept 2 groups of Whispers in the center, and I had myself and the other henches at the East. I tried to help kill off enemies attacking the center until the last final wave attacks before the bosses spawn. I had to do my best to be as close to the East spawn point as possible when that happens. I had Zenmai and Devona; Kim as a Prot monk; Odurra as an Interrupt; and Sogolon as healing/attack/rez backup. My Necro went with a Blood build, my E/A as a Shockwave farmer build. I killed the Ele boss as fast as I could. It's tricky, and if it takes too long, they spawn more troops, which includes a Priest, and that makes it really difficult! Once the Ele boss was down, I had to back off, trying to get back to center/East bombards, fighting every step until the wave was defeated. Both times, I had to run over and rez both Master of Whispers and Talkora, then rush back to center. Another wave of troops, then I took out the Warrior boss at the West spawn gate. Back to center. After that, it was easy. Just hold until the troops get killed, then go after a boss. I took out the Monk boss next, and once he was down I could breathe and concentrate on the Paragon boss.

It took a few tries, trying different combinations of warrior and healer henchies; what groups to send where; etc. But, I got 6/6 with my E/A Character, and 5/6 with my Necro. For me, the key seemed to be finding the right placement for my MM and a Prot monk; having the Whispers groups hold the center - because I'd be close enough to help them out if I could - and taking out the boss as fast as possible. Don't get bogged down figting their allies - the Margonites and Kournans - at the spawn point. Have them follow you back to the bombard! It doesn't do much, but it helps.

I tried this mission with real people, and every time we got butchered because they had no coordination. No one watched what they were supposed to watch, and we got creamed. I gave up and went H&H by myself, and had better success. Though, there were lots of times when I wished I had 1 real person to watch the bombards for me while I went after the bosses! Or, with my Necro, to let me watch the bombards while they took out the bosses.

It can be done, but it isn't easy. Good luck to you!

Darkpower Alchemist · Sep 29, 2007, 08:34 AM // 08:34

Best thing to do is make a split team scenario. 2 4-man teams consisting of warrior,monk,necro and a 4th of your choice(I prefer interupter of some type or an elementalist). If your individual team, with the help of some whispers, should be able to take at least the basic forces.

If you can't at least hold your ground, at least give ground slowly. Let the whispers do their job, but don't leave them alone for too long, or then the place starts to fall apart around you. My advice is to split form the beginning, take the middle and plug to whipsers groups to the east and one to the west. Let the 2nd 4 man group go with the single whispers team.

I believe the center is the easiest to defend until the bosses come out. Yet, it is up to you how to best handle the mission.

devilsdemise · Oct 08, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Ill try to help anyone on this mission as I need it too.
Im a level 20 D/Mo,
with level 20 heroes (I dont have Olias) yet.

IGN = Devils Derv (add to friends list, always on different characters)
Thanks.

Steboy93 · Oct 08, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Got masters on hard mode here last night. There was two of us(both warriors), and we split into two groups each with warrior, mm hero, sf ele hero and prot monk hero. I held the eastern and middle position whilst he went round with his group soloing the bosses (starting with the north-western). It worked great, masters first time. That is your best bet, as seeing it woked on hm, it sould definatly work nm. Or maybe we were just gods

strcpy · Oct 09, 2007, 06:55 AM // 06:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazjun

The whole mission is about killing the bosses. If you see a monk or such, then kill them. But otherwise, with the siege damage, the troops there are enough to hold everything. Just attack the bosses. After you kill them, then break off and run to the next boss. You should be able to kill all the bosses (ending the mission) before you lose any defences. A MM does help as a screen, but try to at least have half the party for damage. A warr train is enough with H/H, but if you can get people then assassins are even better. Nice spike kill then off to next boss. Just don't get bogged down fighting cannon fodder.

On NM this is the way I have always done it. Every once in a while I get unlucky and don't make it, but it is rare (and those times are usually from a party wipe when the H/H decide not to follow commands for a boss's extra damage). Out of 5 times now only once was expert, the rest masters. I've never split my forces doing it. The first time I was here I can't count how many times I lost trying to clear everything, once I realized that was the only issue it went fairly quick, about the only issue is the Ele boss with it's whole double damage stuff-o wiping out the party or all the defenders (it doesn't always advance either). The minions left as I run are usually enough to hold the normal enemies at bay while the Whispers/siege kill them.

However, I rather suspect that what Steboy93 said is going to be your best bet if both your half's are self sufficient. It will most likely be hard to find such a thing (pure luck), but if you have a four man group that can vanquish early 4 man HM areas they should *at least* be able to deal here in NM (and if you mirror his example on HM also).

Vickie · Oct 11, 2007, 06:51 AM // 06:51

It's been almost a month so Grumpy probably already got it; but I finally completed this with H/H in HM with 6/6 intact and got my Legendary Guardian title! The strategy I used in case anyone is interested:

(1) send all Whispers group to the East, guard centre and West
(2) head straight for Warrior boss after the generals appear, kill boss first
(3) pull other groups who try to capture to yourself as you're fighting
(4) then kill Monk boss, then Paragon boss, Elementalist boss last

The heroes and henchies I brought:
- myself: fire Ele with spammable skills
- Acolyte Jin: Burning Arrow conditioner (can probably switch this to anything)
- Master of Whispers: SS
- Olias: Jagged Bones minion bomber
- Mhenlo, Kihm, Devona, Gehraz

Didn't flag anything, everybody came to kill with me. But I probably had it easier since I'm an Ele? :P

blue.rellik · Oct 20, 2007, 10:58 AM // 10:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vickie

It's been almost a month so Grumpy probably already got it; but I finally completed this with H/H in HM with 6/6 intact and got my Legendary Guardian title! The strategy I used in case anyone is interested:

(1) send all Whispers group to the East, guard centre and West
(2) head straight for Warrior boss after the generals appear, kill boss first
(3) pull other groups who try to capture to yourself as you're fighting
(4) then kill Monk boss, then Paragon boss, Elementalist boss last

The heroes and henchies I brought:
- myself: fire Ele with spammable skills
- Acolyte Jin: Burning Arrow conditioner (can probably switch this to anything)
- Master of Whispers: SS
- Olias: Jagged Bones minion bomber
- Mhenlo, Kihm, Devona, Gehraz

Didn't flag anything, everybody came to kill with me. But I probably had it easier since I'm an Ele? :P

Oh my god! I love you so much! I love you so much!

I just tried your way (except I'm a warrior and I bought a SH Souske) and I BREEZED through the mission. I tried like 10 different ways before but with your method, I found it to be sooo easy. Thank you!

SuperDave · Nov 02, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

This mission is still doing my head in. I'm trying it in HM. The problem I'm having is that the Whispers groups can't hold a gate for very long. I'm trying to h/h this btw, due to the lack of ppl doing this in HM. I send them East, and while killing the other generals notice how they epic fail, get wiped, and subsequently lose the gate

I can't really leave my team to go and try and pull the enemies all the way East while I'm clearing Center and West (I'm playing Monk)

This is so frustrating, I only have 3 more missions left to do in Elona HM and this one is giving me the most problems.

I've tried starting East and get the whispers guys to guard West. Admittedly haven't tried this nearly as often as the other way around.

Any other tactics would be greatly appreciated.

Vickie · Nov 02, 2007, 06:43 AM // 06:43

Weird, the Whispers never failed me if I sent all them to the East. Did you take too long to get back to them? I think one point worth noting when the generals appear is to kill the boss first. I headed straaaaight for the Warrior boss when they appear and called him as a target. Saves you a lot of time when everything else stops spawning from that location.

ETA: Ignore the rest in the boss group once the general is down. They don't go to capture and don't follow too far.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Oh my god! I love you so much! I love you so much!

I just tried your way (except I'm a warrior and I bought a SH Souske) and I BREEZED through the mission. I tried like 10 different ways before but with your method, I found it to be sooo easy. Thank you!

Yay! I love you too? XD~

SuperDave · Nov 02, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

I target the Warrior general first, and on a few tries kill him (pretty quick) with SS, and Pain Inverter. And his corpse barely hits the ground when the East gate falls. I'll try again and let you know how it goes

Yay!, I just did it

I left my band of h/h's to kill the warrior general while Livia and I went to go and help the guys out at the East Gate. Once the Warrior died we worked our way round to the ELe boss. It was touch and go for a bit but we pulled it off. Vickie's suggestion works perfectly. Try and avoid fighting the guys around to boss as soon as you kill a general, and battle your way to the rest.

I'm so happy now!! Thx guys, and ty Vickie

politicsxxox · Nov 02, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

for this mission , i had 2 MM since theirs enough corpses and i had 3 ele for tough fire power nukes. I myself was a axe warrior to i can contrbute to aoe dmg. Most of the time , you have to split up to help out the whisper guards. standard 2 Monks for party is good.

Asprah · Nov 09, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Does anyone have a tip how to HH this solo on HM? I have done it on NM solo without much trouble ,but I am not sure can it be henched on HM-maybe if you are very lucky.
All tips are welcome. Also if someone need this mission on HM,wisp me ingame so we can try it with 2 man,6 heroes-it should be much easier . IGN-Nara Eversong . Online almost every day afternoon/evenings GMT+1. I am monk btw.

apocalypse_xx · Nov 15, 2007, 03:18 PM // 15:18

Hi, there was an old thread a while back with advice I used to H/H it. I then used the same strategy when I was running my HM mission service, so I have done this mission countless times with the same strategy.

Build a team of 6 heavy damage dealers and then bring the 2 monk hench. I personally use 1 MM, 1 SS a Power Block Mes, and the ele henches. If you can get 1 more real person, then have them bring all sf eles or someother big damage dealers. When you start, send all the NPCS to the east defense, then you kill the mobs that come in toward the centre and the west. Now the important part, when the last mob has agroed your group before the generals spawn, begin moving your team toward the west General (Warrior), try to have your whole team out of agro and waiting on the generals to spawn, when they do, gank the warrior general immediatley, when he dies you can then move your team back to the safety of the cannons to finish off any mobs that have gone through. Now, when you have cleaned up any remaining mobs, go gank the Monk General, rinse and repeat for each General, if done right this mission is quite easy although very fast paced

payne · Nov 24, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

did this with a guildy / 2 alliance members on HM sent all NPCS to east stand i went west and they took out the generals then after monk / war died i went with to ele / para! easy enough 6/6 tower things left yar-de-yar!

alliance members both ursanway ( dont like but cant argue with results!
me BHA ranger
guildy sin with knockdowns
MoW MM
SS
2 monk (all heroes)

easy enough :P

Joe Thomas · Nov 27, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vickie

It's been almost a month so Grumpy probably already got it; but I finally completed this with H/H in HM with 6/6 intact and got my Legendary Guardian title! The strategy I used in case anyone is interested:

(1) send all Whispers group to the East, guard centre and West
(2) head straight for Warrior boss after the generals appear, kill boss first
(3) pull other groups who try to capture to yourself as you're fighting
(4) then kill Monk boss, then Paragon boss, Elementalist boss last

The heroes and henchies I brought:
- myself: fire Ele with spammable skills
- Acolyte Jin: Burning Arrow conditioner (can probably switch this to anything)
- Master of Whispers: SS
- Olias: Jagged Bones minion bomber
- Mhenlo, Kihm, Devona, Gehraz

Didn't flag anything, everybody came to kill with me. But I probably had it easier since I'm an Ele? :P

While I won't express the raw emotion I have for Vickie's post like blue.rellik (great response from Vickie btw), I will say it spawned me to try a different strategy for HM. As a ranger, I cheated and went with an Ursan Blessing build, complimented by Poison Tip Sig, Pain Inverter, Needling Shot, Hunter Shot, "Finish Him", Throw Dirt, and Whirling Defense. Granted the Elite kept me from using most of these skills, but it was enuff to get by while it recharged. It was a nice change just to slash away from afar (I had a Forgotten Longbow equipped).

Ok here's what worked for me: Sab's synergy build (2 N/Rt Necros & 1 N/Mo MM). Henchies: Gerhaz, Devona, Sogolon, and Cynn.

Instead of using Vickie's suggestion, I decided (in a fit of frustration actually) to just stack the Whispers on the East side only. Lo and behold, it bought me plenty of time to take down the Warr and Monk bosses, as well sweep up the stray Kournan mobs before going after the last two. By the time I got to the East siiiiiide (moteeeeellll), the rest was cake.

I just finished this mish about 20 minutes ago, and it was the last mish I needed to complete my Legendary Guardian AND Guardian of Elona titles... nice twofer, I must say. Only two titles left until I get that Big @$$ Rainbow Phoenix. thx to Sab and Vickie for the inspiration.

Absinth187 · Dec 21, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Thomas

Instead of using Vickie's suggestion, I decided (in a fit of frustration actually) to just stack the Whispers on the East side only.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vickie

(1) send all Whispers group to the East, guard centre and West
(2) head straight for Warrior boss after the generals appear, kill boss first
(3) pull other groups who try to capture to yourself as you're fighting
(4) then kill Monk boss, then Paragon boss, Elementalist boss last

Anyway, Vickie's setup is almost identical to my group setups in the past, and it has always yielded Masters reward for me. Jagged Nova Bomber ftw!