Curse

BigDave · Apr 27, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

I honestly don't find it much more difficult in HM. Just make sure to take lots of party wide defensive and offensive buffs and you should do fine. Skills like Wards, Enfeebling Blood, Weaken Armor, Alkars Alchemical Acid if you have it, "chance to miss" hexes, etc.

Skills like SS, Price of Failure, Empathy, etc... all work better in HM anyway with the increased attack speed of the foes triggering their effects faster.

It is however more important in HM to keep the Disc off your back line. If you take a minion bomber with you make sure they carry Protective Spirit. A minion bomber like the one in Sabs build can run 3-4 monk protection spells at 9-10 in prot prayers quite easily. When you need to re-activate a Golem that's next to the Disc make sure you have the MM cast PS on you before you get close. If need be you can add to the body blocking yourself so long as you make sure PS in on you. The Disc doesn't do rapid fire heavy damage, it does short bursts of very heavy AoE. PS will absorb a good 80-90% of its damage if you need to add yourself to the front line.

blurmedia · Apr 27, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

Sometimes, when standing on top or at one of their sides, the golems (in defensive mode) will make you invincible with Phase Shield even if they're dead. It reduces all damage to 0 and it makes the disc of rape easy as hell. If you can't get it to work a melee character with PS on should be able to tank it just as fine.

Belonah15 · Apr 28, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

I lure it to the left stairs and use the Golems to bodyblock it. Put 2 Golems in Melee mode and 1 in Defense mode, add [Pain Inverter] and Zho (Interrupt Ranger) and it goes down fast. If you are an Elimentalist use [Arcane Echo] with PI, and take [Ward Against Elements], makes it go down even quicker.

Fionn Falaich · Apr 28, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

For hard mode, I've filled many many books using this team build on both my ele and my paragon. It's also the build I run in NM on all my other characters of almost every profession (except assassin and dervish), so it works no matter what your class is with only minor tweaking.

You
MoW - SS curses necro
Livia - SS curses necro
Margrid - BHA
Mhenlo
Lina
Talon
Herta

Kill everything but the Disc (I usually leave one destroyer of lives on the bottom level for last). Set two golems to melee and one to defense. I usually disable all of Margrid's skills except BHA at this point and activate it manually on recharge to make sure it gets used as often as possible. The Disc will be dazed and interrupted well more than 50% of the time and will be dead in no time. Your team will take almost no damage throughout. When I'm on my ele, I basically just sit back, watch, cast Shell Shock and Enervating Charge every now and then, and, during the short periods when BHA wears off, Pain Inverter.

I prefer this method to using minions because the Disc can wipe the minions with its AOE.

sir fluffums · Apr 28, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

Lord all mighty, my not so effective startegy was contiually die and attack him. that took me two hours of pain and unbearable suffering.

draugr · Apr 29, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belonah15

I lure it to the left stairs and use the Golems to bodyblock it. Put 2 Golems in Melee mode and 1 in Defense mode, add [Pain Inverter] and Zho (Interrupt Ranger) and it goes down fast. If you are an Elimentalist use [Arcane Echo] with PI, and take [Ward Against Elements], makes it go down even quicker.

Ditto to this. Get him wedged up against that lefts stair and he's not too bad to finish.

MoreArrows · Apr 30, 2008, 06:33 PM // 18:33

HM interests me now after completing gwen in NM so yeah this discussion on HM is worth me listening to ( as creator of this thread ).

I play BHA and I was thinking;

BHA Ranger
SS
MM
Paragon tank or Spirit Spammer
Devona
Talon
Mhenlo
Lina

What u think? I'm worried about my heroes' armor levels :P

MasterSasori · Apr 30, 2008, 09:08 PM // 21:08

Pain Inverter ftw

Fionn Falaich · Apr 30, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreArrows

I play BHA and I was thinking;

BHA Ranger
SS
MM
Paragon tank or Spirit Spammer
Devona
Talon
Mhenlo
Lina

What u think? I'm worried about my heroes' armor levels :P

That set-up would probably work. Here are some suggestions for what they're worth.

I don't think you need both Devona and Talon. Talon has a better bar imo, so take him. In hard mode, Herta is much more valuable as a hench. I'd suggest Herta instead of Devona.

As between the paragon and the spirit spammer, I'd take the paragon, whether as high DPS, tank, party support, whatever - it's hard to lose with a paragon. I'd also consider putting something like a blindbot air ele in that spot, with Blinding Surge, Enervating Charge, Shell Shock, Epidemic, etc.

It looks like a lot of people in this thread like taking MMs. I don't. They would help on level 2 in the Norn pit, but they have less usefulness against the Disc. If it wipes them with AOE, there are no more corpses to rebuild your minions (except those of your teammates). If that happens, you're effectively left with only 7 people in your party using useful skills. It should still be enough, but I'd prefer if everyone was doing something.

Just my thoughts. Once you get the build down, the Disc is a pushover.

MsMassacre · May 01, 2008, 01:26 AM // 01:26

People are too dependant on the sabway necros. They're not that great. This sort of fight is something they do very poorly at. Why?

1. Xandra does better than a n/r at ritty healing, esp. in protracted fights where the necro isn't getting any use out of soul reaping. I guess the same is true for that OTHER ritty hero, but since he isn't a foxy redhead I've never bothered to find out.

2. Minion HAVING is better than minion BOMBING, especially in protracted fights. Use a jagged bones MM with fiends and shambleys. Minion pressure helps.

3. Spiteful works great when controlled by a human, but is only so-so in the hands of a bot. Also, it's pretty worthless in, hey you guessed it, protracted fights against a single, slow-attacking enemy. Leave the SS necro at home and bring a lightning nuke when fighting destroyers.

And now some tips that aren't necro specific:

1. Set all your golems to melee and then pull, and back off a scootch. It's pretty easy to wind up with the golems and dwarf tanking the thing, and they've got enough armor to survive it's PBAO spells. Xandra and Mehnlo can keep them alive just fine.

2. BHA heroes/hench seem to have all gotten lobotomies. You pretty much have to force them to use BHA now. If all you have is Zho, don't rely on her.

MoreArrows · May 02, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

I am a BHA ranger so that is not anything to worry about...

Also wondering if anyone oculd give me the full build of this blindbot ele and the Xandra Rt healer?? Any suggestions for the Para tank also would be cool.

Mark Nevermiss · May 03, 2008, 03:04 AM // 03:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsMassacre

People are too dependant on the sabway necros. They're not that great. This sort of fight is something they do very poorly at. Why?

1. Xandra does better than a n/r at ritty healing, esp. in protracted fights where the necro isn't getting any use out of soul reaping. I guess the same is true for that OTHER ritty hero, but since he isn't a foxy redhead I've never bothered to find out.

2. Minion HAVING is better than minion BOMBING, especially in protracted fights. Use a jagged bones MM with fiends and shambleys. Minion pressure helps.

3. Spiteful works great when controlled by a human, but is only so-so in the hands of a bot. Also, it's pretty worthless in, hey you guessed it, protracted fights against a single, slow-attacking enemy. Leave the SS necro at home and bring a lightning nuke when fighting destroyers.

And now some tips that aren't necro specific:

1. Set all your golems to melee and then pull, and back off a scootch. It's pretty easy to wind up with the golems and dwarf tanking the thing, and they've got enough armor to survive it's PBAO spells. Xandra and Mehnlo can keep them alive just fine.

2. BHA heroes/hench seem to have all gotten lobotomies. You pretty much have to force them to use BHA now. If all you have is Zho, don't rely on her.

I bet you just like to stare at Xandra

cannot say I blame you though :P

MasterSasori · May 03, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsMassacre

People are too dependant on the sabway necros. They're not that great. This sort of fight is something they do very poorly at. Why?

Yes, but people are lazy and if you have a Sabway, then might as well use it.

Haven't tried the paragon friends build somewhere on this forum, but I've heard they work better in this case. Won't know til I find some time to gear them up.