Curse

Numa Pompilius · Jun 19, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Can anyone suggest a good build for getting the Moddok Crevice hardmode bonus with heroes and henches?

The only difficulty is the damn runners.

I'm a warrior, and I can cripple both, and put Crippling Anguish or other slow-down hex on one, but I don't have energy to hex both, and even with several snares on ALL my heroes one runner always gets away.

Kyomi Tachibana · Jun 19, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Cripshot ranger, You Move like a Dwarf on yourself.

Lock the hero onto one, with Cripshot/Dshot to disable whatever condi removal it uses, I forgot.

I did it on my mes with a Cripshot hero and YMLaD on me, so it should work. Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support also helps.

Icy The Mage · Jun 19, 2008, 01:44 AM // 01:44

[Arcane Echo] + [Mind Freeze] worked for me

lordheinous · Jun 19, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by IcyFiftyFive

[Arcane Echo] + [Mind Freeze] worked for me

Even supposing you COULD run skills from two totally different secondaries on a war, I have a feeling that your probably not going to trigger the snare with the grand total of about 0 energy you'd have left. I sure hope you were talking about a hero and just were being carelessly vague, as opposed to not even reading the OP or even the full title, but even if you were, wouldn't you need to do some serious micro?

Shayne Hawke · Jun 19, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Seriously, how hard is it for people to snare?

Since you're a Warrior, you could take [["Charge!"], or bring Devona and hope she activates it properly, or bring a Warrior or Paragon hero that has either that or [["Fall Back!"]. If all else fails, you'll want one of those, or at least a speed boost on yourself.

Bring Zhed, load up [[Deep Freeze] + other generic Water Magic snares. Lock him on the runner that goes far north.

Manually cast DF on the runner Zhed targets. Activate "Charge!"/"Fall Back!" and get in range of the runner going left. Use [[Hamstring] or some other useful snare. Kill. I used this strategy as a Ranger, and I only brought [[Pin Down] as a snare.

If you can't damage that runner fast enough or coordinate Zhed properly to snare the other one while you wail away, you fail at PvE.

blue.rellik · Jun 19, 2008, 02:21 AM // 02:21

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Originally Posted by lordheinous

Even supposing you COULD run skills from two totally different secondaries on a war, I have a feeling that your probably not going to trigger the snare with the grand total of about 0 energy you'd have left. I sure hope you were talking about a hero and just were being carelessly vague, as opposed to not even reading the OP or even the full title, but even if you were, wouldn't you need to do some serious micro?

Eh? I believe he meant putting those on a hero

Numa Pompilius · Jun 19, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

Are you guys talking hardmode here?
I did the bonus of this mission easily in normal mode, it's hardmode I'm having difficulty with.

I brought You Move Like A Dwarf and Ethereal Burden (14 seconds) on my war, I brought an assassin hero with Deaths Charge, Caltrops and Grasping Earth, and an ele with Deep Freeze, Frozen Burst and Ethereal Burden. I left Dunkoro out of radar range (that trick doesn't work any more).

And I estimate I have about 5 seconds from getting into range of the runners until they reach their bases. With snares.

I guess I can try a cripshot ranger, at least the runners stop to get rid of conditions.

Shayne Hawke · Jun 19, 2008, 03:02 AM // 03:02

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Because I brought You Move Like A Dwarf, Ethereal Burden (14 seconds), an assassin hero with Deaths Charge, Caltrops and Grasping Earth, blah blah blah, snare snare snare

Edit: It sounds like you're so focused on trying to slow them down that you're not going to be doing anything to kill them. Feel free to contact me later if you want assistance, but I'm sure you're able to do this by yourself anyways.

Numa Pompilius · Jun 19, 2008, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Thank you for your offer, but I must decline.

I've vanquished all of Tyria and Cantha and done all missions with bonus there in normalmode and hardmode - with heroes and henches.
I'm not posting to find help, just to see if there exist any smarter way of stopping those damn runners. If it's just a case of micromanaging hero knockdowns and snares then I'll eventually manage.

Chthon · Jun 19, 2008, 03:48 AM // 03:48

I find thunderclap heroes very effective at keeping them from going very far. (Though that leaves you with two somewhat questionable heroes for the rest of the trip....)

Shrimz · Jun 19, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

I used Enraging Charge/ Bull's strike, and got my Ele hero to use water hexes on the other.

blue.rellik · Jun 19, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Thank you for your offer, but I must decline.

I've vanquished all of Tyria and Cantha and done all missions with bonus there in normalmode and hardmode - with heroes and henches.
I'm not posting to find help, just to see if there exist any smarter way of stopping those damn runners. If it's just a case of micromanaging hero knockdowns and snares then I'll eventually manage.

I did it with a hammer henchie, I had Zhed lock one down while I pounded one into oblivion. I also used ["You move like a dwarf!"]

Took a few tries though

graverobber2 · Jun 19, 2008, 05:58 AM // 05:58

take something like this:
12 +1 +1 sword
12 +1 strength (Taking a major strenght rune wil charge D-slash instantly)

["You move like a Dwarf!"][Dragon slash][Brawling Headbutt][Bull's strike][Enraging charge][Enduring Harmony]["For Great Justice!"]

Last skill Heal or Res

Try taking a second person and let him take out one of the 2 runners, while you keep the other one Knock-locked. Works better @ high norn rank, so you can keep the cripple on them.
there should be enough time for the others to kill the first runner and come and help you to kill the second

Ewa Kirch · Jun 19, 2008, 10:41 AM // 10:41

I took "you Move like a dwarf", and Great dwarf weapon for KD's (pre-cast on other heros prior to aggro) for one and had Zhed set up as a water ele with snares (water trident as elite).
Locked Zhed on one, (pre-cast first snare for him as we moved in) while I took the other, I found that flagging hench/heros in close to runners also helped a lot, previous (failed) run they had stopped on edge of aggro circle (I dont use any melee h/h), and once those runners start moving they are very hard to catch!

payne · Jun 19, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

easy...move like a dwarf on you with crip slash

two ele heroes with mind-freeze and water snares - all they need..
dunk as healer
hench are irrelevent

its easily done in HM with this set-up...i run crip shot so u as crip slash should work just as well - summon ice imp helps with snaring!

The Meth · Jun 19, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

Deep Freeze is very, very good. 10s of AoE snare with no attribute investment required. Throw it on any hero build and force them to cast it right before you go in.

N1ghtstalker · Jun 19, 2008, 01:40 PM // 13:40

i'm doing my guardian on elona too and if you ever do moddok crevice and have trouble with snaring just gimme a call
i'm an ele and will use [glyph of sacrifice] + [deep freeze] for a fast snare
Alastor The Undead is my IGN

Numa Pompilius · Jun 19, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Well, with two water eles with Mind Freeze and myself with YMLAD! and cripslash I managed to kill the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOers. I then, after getting the 4/4 bonus message, proceeded to take the wrong turn and kill a bug boss, which apparently somehow meant that I'd failed the bonus.

Arrrrgggh.

Now I know how it's done, it's just annoying and boring and slow to do again, so I'll do a couple other missions before returning to this abortion of a mission.

Fionn Falaich · Jun 20, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

Sorry you took a wrong turn, mate.

If you or anyone else is still looking for suggestions, you might also consider setting Dunkoro as /Me with a few long-lasting mesmer snare hexes, since you have to take him anyway. The two monk hench can handle the monking. I gave Dunkoro 3 or 4 mesmer hexes, including Shared Burden as his elite, with a few 5e heals and a res. It worked fine. I, as ele, and my other heroes also had some snares, and Charge! Anyway, best of luck, hope you get it soon.

Sethellington · Jun 20, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

i suggest you run ursan