Curse

Tainek · Oct 06, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12

Just started doing this yesterday (decided to save up so i can get paragon FoW the day it comes)

Been using the W/Me (Dragon, Standing, Silverwing, Galrath, Healsig, Sheilds up, Resistance, Sprint)

I Modded it to : (Dragon, For Great Justice, Silverwing, Galrath, Healsig, Watch yourself, Resistance, Sprint) , ive found it speeds me up significantly ( for 20s i can spam +42 Damage Attacks 3 of every 4 hits,

Im thinking ahead till nightfall, prehaps:

W/*
(Dragon, , Silverwing, Galrath, Healsig, Watch yourself, Flail, Sprint)

There is one slot open for defense, it cant be a stance, so im thinking either sheilds up (Stretches Attributes a bit thin, need str for flail) or Doyak Sig (Bleh)

Sheilds up will work, as you only need to drop one level of tactics for flail to have 7 str, i think this gives flail 7/8 sec duration with 4 cost

Also:

W/Ri

VwK
Sheilds Up
Deflect Arrows
Watch Yourself
Sprint
Heal Sig
Resilient Weapon
Resilient Was Xiko

Weapon Set 1:
+7 Vs Physical
-2 Stance Sheild +45 Stance (+10 Vs Peirce preferably)

Weapon Set 2:
20/20 Restoration Wand
20/20 Restoration Offhand

12 Restoration
16 Tactics
4 Str

Resilient Weapon and Resilient was Xiko are for getting to the cave (the degen from the Scales becomes pitiful), Once in the cave:

Use Sheilds up and then run in and aggro, get close to the spiders so they wont use they're healing springs, now cast VwK ( Use Deflect arrows if somehow you are Lower than 50% Hp, they only savage you if on low health, but this is not desirable, as you will lose lots of you damage, only if only very low HP)

Now just keep using VwK until they are all dead

Watch yourself will charge when you dont have Sheilds up on (If you smart, when you are holding Vengeful)

Deflect arrows is mainly for use inbetween VwK, use it when VwK Ends, then strike them in melee just as VwK is ready (to end it)

Vs Dryders, just be careful with the timing of your skills, Alternating between Xiko And Healsig Works Well

Note: Weapon sets, Switch to set 2 a fraction of a second before you cast VwK, WAIT until VwK has ended, then use set 1 a Fraction after VwK Ends

TheLordOfBlah · Oct 10, 2006, 10:48 PM // 22:48

Ive been using this build with much success. There is however, one problem thats pissing me off:

If two spiders are right next to each other and the other starts using healing spring, and you cant hit it with hundred blades, you should have nothing to worry about interruption wise since theyre not both adjacent RIGHT? I thought so too untill recently ive been seeing spiders randomly getting healed when technically they should be out of range of HB, which hits all adjacent to foe...

Nathan the Skank · Oct 11, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tainek

Just started doing this yesterday (decided to save up so i can get paragon FoW the day it comes)

Been using the W/Me (Dragon, Standing, Silverwing, Galrath, Healsig, Sheilds up, Resistance, Sprint)

I Modded it to : (Dragon, For Great Justice, Silverwing, Galrath, Healsig, Watch yourself, Resistance, Sprint) , ive found it speeds me up significantly ( for 20s i can spam +42 Damage Attacks 3 of every 4 hits,

Im thinking ahead till nightfall, prehaps:

W/*
(Dragon, , Silverwing, Galrath, Healsig, Watch yourself, Flail, Sprint)

There is one slot open for defense, it cant be a stance, so im thinking either sheilds up (Stretches Attributes a bit thin, need str for flail) or Doyak Sig (Bleh)

Sheilds up will work, as you only need to drop one level of tactics for flail to have 7 str, i think this gives flail 7/8 sec duration with 4 cost

Also:

W/Ri

VwK
Sheilds Up
Deflect Arrows
Watch Yourself
Sprint
Heal Sig
Resilient Weapon
Resilient Was Xiko

Weapon Set 1:
+7 Vs Physical
-2 Stance Sheild +45 Stance (+10 Vs Peirce preferably)

Weapon Set 2:
20/20 Restoration Wand
20/20 Restoration Offhand

12 Restoration
16 Tactics
4 Str

Resilient Weapon and Resilient was Xiko are for getting to the cave (the degen from the Scales becomes pitiful), Once in the cave:

Use Sheilds up and then run in and aggro, get close to the spiders so they wont use they're healing springs, now cast VwK ( Use Deflect arrows if somehow you are Lower than 50% Hp, they only savage you if on low health, but this is not desirable, as you will lose lots of you damage, only if only very low HP)

Now just keep using VwK until they are all dead

Watch yourself will charge when you dont have Sheilds up on (If you smart, when you are holding Vengeful)

Deflect arrows is mainly for use inbetween VwK, use it when VwK Ends, then strike them in melee just as VwK is ready (to end it)

Vs Dryders, just be careful with the timing of your skills, Alternating between Xiko And Healsig Works Well

Note: Weapon sets, Switch to set 2 a fraction of a second before you cast VwK, WAIT until VwK has ended, then use set 1 a Fraction after VwK Ends

I hear so much about flail, but I have no idea what it is or what it does, can u explain?

Katari · Oct 11, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan the Skank

I hear so much about flail, but I have no idea what it is or what it does, can u explain?

Flail
The W/Mo build could easily replace Frenzy with Flail, and farming builds in general wouldn't be forced to use zealous mods if they want IAS.

Nathan the Skank · Oct 11, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katari

Flail
The W/Mo build could easily replace Frenzy with Flail, and farming builds in general wouldn't be forced to use zealous mods if they want IAS.

GG flurry/frenzy/tigerstance, thanks for playing

Racthoh · Oct 11, 2006, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan the Skank

GG flurry/frenzy/tigerstance, thanks for playing

In PvE that is.

TheLordOfBlah · Oct 12, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

I take it nobody else has this problem...???

Joe L. · Oct 12, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

I have noticed this on occasion. Don't know what else to say, other than it's just a glitch. When there are alot of monsters present, the game tends to get rather glitchy. If you think this is bad, try mesmer farming the shiro'ken at the harvest temple. Anyway, the only ways around this are to get right between them, or repull to get them to change their position slightly.

TheLordOfBlah · Oct 13, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

Getting right in between them shouldnt matter considering it attacks all adjacent to foe, as opposed to, attacking all adjacent.

SnipiousMax · Oct 13, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah

Getting right in between them shouldnt matter considering it attacks all adjacent to foe, as opposed to, attacking all adjacent.

They will still use heal spring unless you are adjacent to them. To get them angry enough to forget Heal Spring you have to hit them once, and be adjacent to them.

Gorefina The Great · Oct 13, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Very nice build Racthoh the sword was what i did at first then started using axe variant [i gott a victos axe and dont wanna waist it]

Gorefina The Great · Oct 13, 2006, 09:53 PM // 21:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katari

Flail
The W/Mo build could easily replace Frenzy with Flail, and farming builds in general wouldn't be forced to use zealous mods if they want IAS.

combined with Dolyak Signet i think this would be good since your already moving slow.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Oct 14, 2006, 05:01 AM // 05:01

i might be willing to give flail a try when it comes out, but i still have at least 3 reason to stick to frenzy:

1) Movement, this might reduce my killing time in the front of the cave, might also be hostile to my health tryn to find a another target to start hitting to gain back health

2) Energy and Adrenaline Synergy, when I do this spider run, I usually use watch yourself! and frenzy at the same time, now that this is adrenaline, it might screw up my timing in where i would have to hit another hit before activating watch yourself, or flail after each other, but also doing this, it also empties my adrenaline pool an extra 25% or 1 hit across the bar more often.

3) Fun factor, Frenzy still seems fun to me :P, I know that sounds stupid, but I think the run will get boring more faster now that I don't come close to dieing anymore.

Koning · Oct 14, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I also think frenzy might be faster but for beginners flail might be a good choice.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Oct 15, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

plus frenzy and frenzy icon look cooler then flail and its icon :P

Katari · Oct 15, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

On the W/Mo build, Flail would allow the use of a Vampiric Weapon in place of a Zealous weapon.

Tainek · Oct 15, 2006, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaero Gouki Kriegor

i might be willing to give flail a try when it comes out, but i still have at least 3 reason to stick to frenzy:

1) Movement, this might reduce my killing time in the front of the cave, might also be hostile to my health tryn to find a another target to start hitting to gain back health

2) Energy and Adrenaline Synergy, when I do this spider run, I usually use watch yourself! and frenzy at the same time, now that this is adrenaline, it might screw up my timing in where i would have to hit another hit before activating watch yourself, or flail after each other, but also doing this, it also empties my adrenaline pool an extra 25% or 1 hit across the bar more often.

3) Fun factor, Frenzy still seems fun to me :P, I know that sounds stupid, but I think the run will get boring more faster now that I don't come close to dieing anymore.

1: you have a cancel stance, sprint remember? when you need to move, use sprint, then upon arrival, hit flail

2: you can swap that zealos sword for a furious mod, considering the use of dragon slash, and that your in IAS, the extra adrenaline used is pitiful, you will also spent less time healing, Less time healing = less time killing

3: well you can use frenzy if you wish, its personal preferance, but that doesnt make flail a lesser skill, it is still smarter than frenzy

TheLordOfBlah · Oct 16, 2006, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

They will still use heal spring unless you are adjacent to them. To get them angry enough to forget Heal Spring you have to hit them once, and be adjacent to them.

Right, but my point is if i cant hit both of em w/ HB then why the hell is it healing more than one spider??

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Oct 17, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tainek

1: you have a cancel stance, sprint remember? when you need to move, use sprint, then upon arrival, hit flail

2: you can swap that zealos sword for a furious mod, considering the use of dragon slash, and that your in IAS, the extra adrenaline used is pitiful, you will also spent less time healing, Less time healing = less time killing

3: well you can use frenzy if you wish, its personal preferance, but that doesnt make flail a lesser skill, it is still smarter than frenzy

1: you seriously gonna use sprint between each spider that is spread out of the group? supported by only 1 energy pip? and 20 second recharge on sprint?

2: cold hard numbers of vampiric seems more useful to me then the occasional double adrenaline 10% of the time on a furious, and are you just gonna use ONLY live vicariously? if so i guess the non zealous will work, but since your only using live vicariously, are you absolutely positive that will be enough healing if you are tanking the WHOLE group at the beginning? fighting only a certain number at a time lenthens the time killing them, and does hh truely take taht long to heal?

3: this truely is personal preference, its gonna be a little weird switching from 8 duration to 6, but i guess this could take getting use to

i wish there was a spider slaying mod or at least arachnid . . . . .

15 + 20 + 20 = 45% damage bonus would be pretty nice with 33% attack speed increase and 16 sword

Rhershy8 · Oct 17, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Question: Just wanted to know if any1 has done this with sentinels armor. I know the 13 str. is kind of a waste but I don't want to have to buy another new set of armor. I'm thinking about trying this:

11+1+1 str.
10+3 swords.
10 tactics
sup absorb
sup vigor

Gear: Kaolin Blade,15^50,zealous, ar+7 vs. phys
Arrahhshes (sp?) Aegis, +45hp in stance, -2 in stance

Assume your using the original skills as listed way back in the beginning of this thread. Any feedback on this setup would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.