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Teutonic Paladin · Aug 18, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by crazybanshee

*sigh* look I'm not debating ursan or not. I'm wondering why everyone just gave up, and why I can't get a pug with a BALANCED BUILD. Not ursan. Nobody's even looking for pugs, so it's not like they want some other class than me. Nobody's even looking for imbagons. It was done before with balanced builds, before there were even cons to help. I just wondered if I was missing something, and that's apparently a guild that does doa.

PuGs have never run balanced in Guild Wars history. It's always been randomway, tank and spank, or whatever overpowered DPS was most overpowered at the time. What are you talking about?

RazmO- · Aug 18, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30

Seriously.... stop pugging.
People keep crying that they cant find a group for X thing.. so just dont pug , get yourself some friends , or a guild and do it?

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Originally Posted by X CDH X

yea thats true u go 2 doa and try looking for a group but u can't make up a proper one because it seems the only people there now are ppl with a fail build or low lightbringer people who dunno what they are doing.

The people that moaned about ursan are morons - why would u moan about something to make things easy. When gw2 comes out in a year or two who will care if u have a load of stuff.

I thought ursan was good cos u could make up team with pugs and actually get through rather than the new doa team build of waitingintownlfgWAY...

I have two things for you:
1)Stop pugging if you dont like the way pugs act.
2)Who need an easy game ? some of us actually need the challenge, if you cant handle it , go and do Fow, if you cant do fow , you better quit the game because you suck at it.

Spiritz · Aug 18, 2008, 12:30 PM // 12:30

When i did nf i didnt go back to farm doa - just cba but with all the comments about it bein dead coz ursans nerfed .... You going to say pre-eotn ppl didnt do doa ???
I swear ppl did it and i swear there used to be farming threads on doa but then again i must have been mistaken.
Just coz ursans been nerfed the world hasnt fallen apart , SF got nerfed to 50% dmg reduction but sins got on with it and ursans laughed.
Yes theres players with no clue who try doa - if everyones going ursan and wanted ursan only then how do inexperienced players learn ?
You form pugs with them and offer advice and who knows maybe first time you do a great farming run ... isnt it said its not about the winning but taking part ?

If you only going to play gw with 1 skill then your playing the wrong game.

Trub · Aug 18, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Because we don't want the game to be easy maybe?

^ What he said.

DoA is an Elite, end game 'reward' for making it as far as one can in NF.
There are many end game mini-qwests, but DoA is the most challenging.
You have 4 full areas to complete..then a crazy monkey on crack to kill.
One needs to be in a team of (hopefully guildies) patient players to get thru these.
Many areas are rage worthy....
That's why you run with people you know well enough to use the skills well enough that they have acumilated thru-out the game to keep the team alive, and hopefully successful.
See, having a balanced skill bar doesn't always mean insta-success, unless everyone knows what the hell they are doing in there.
Almost everyone wants success...but that does'nt always happen.
Thats when running with a guild or alliance team helps soften the blow of failure, we can talk about what went wrong...and NOT just drop from the team, say FU, and shout: PRO UB LFG!!

To original poster:
[SMS] used DoA as a training area for new recruits at one time...we would do daily full runs....so yes, we are still here....just stalking guru a bit moar than we should.

Numa Pompilius · Aug 18, 2008, 04:55 PM // 16:55

To the OP: Join a decent guild. I'm not saying that to be condescending, but seriously, that's how to get to do the elite areas. You may have to try a few different guilds before you find one you like, but it's the way to go.

PuG's are uncoordinated horrors. They can be fun, but being so random and uncoordinated they struggle to get through even areas like Thirsty River or Eternal Grove, so without easy-mode DoA is a brick wall.

Rhamia Darigaz · Aug 19, 2008, 12:23 AM // 00:23

disorganized pugs shouldn't be able to clear the hardest area in the game in their sleep.
now that ursan's nerfed, they can't.
people want to do things in their sleep.
people are not puging doa anymore.

make sense?

UnChosen · Aug 21, 2008, 08:28 AM // 08:28

People just turn every thread into a STFU GTFO the moment the word Ursan is mentioned....

The OP's topic was never about ursanway to begin with! All it did was bringing back up the flawed designed of DoA that requires people to spent hours upon hours in the area, no matter how skilled the person is. The only way to go faster is for everyone in the team to have memorized every single detail of the map, which is only possible with guilds.

Guilds are also NOT a reliable way to complete DoA. First of all you have to actually sort through all the $hitty guilds and find one that actually has people, then you have to find the one that isn't PvP-centric, after that you have to to constantly wait for 8 people to finish a mission, vanquished an area, walked their dogs, watched their TV, etc. Then because its a guild group, people tend to leave more often because of less pressure.

This basically leaves me with heroway with a person on flist....not my idea of social fun lol.

SpotJorge · Aug 21, 2008, 09:35 AM // 09:35

For the record DoA its empty of full partys like deep and urgoz so i would like to know where this sooooo skilled guilds with so skillled players are playing .... problably big partys in pre-searing showing all theyr knowledge ... for the record DoA is dead ... and for the record Anet shot a fire in theyr own feet with ursan nerfing last chance of people playing together no matter what profession they have ... so after 3 years only waiting for Aion arrive to jump out of a completed nerfed game

UnChosen · Aug 21, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42

I had plenty of fun with pugs and with guilds. Where do you think friend lists come from? Not everyone has 7 real life friends so obviously some have to be from pugs.

Back on topic.....All I said was that guilds ain't the solution to the empty DoA problem because it can be just as difficult to get a guild group together because you have to wait for so many people's activities to end, if they even want to do DoA in the first place.

I also haven't ever found a guild that would do DoA more than one time per week, and I'm obviously not selfish enough to bother them to do so.

munky · Aug 21, 2008, 10:04 AM // 10:04

I really just find it ironic that all this got to the point of destroying pugs in elite mission/areas. when people where mad cuz they could not find a balanced group before without looking to guildies/friends. good luck finding one now

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Originally Posted by RazmO-

2)Who need an easy game ? some of us actually need the challenge, if you cant handle it , go and do Fow, if you cant do fow , you better quit the game because you suck at it.

i quoted this cuz... its shows how all that "don't like don't use thing" was so... right

ok cool you need your challenge, cuz you like to take twice as long to do things, so you can feel better about yourself. ok... what? your going with a guild or friends cuz you don't like pugs ok... thats cool. I am just gona go do the easy way, cuz my guilds not on. with a group i got in 2 min. wait... I cant cuz you want to do the harder twice as long way.... ok thats fair.

really what the hell was stoping guilds/friends who did not like ursan from getting together before?

Amnel Ithtirsol · Aug 21, 2008, 03:27 PM // 15:27

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Originally Posted by munky

really what the hell was stoping guilds/friends who did not like ursan from getting together before?

Good question.

Perfect nerf would have been for ANet to make UB DoA specific. I, personally, would have been perfectly fine with that.

It wasnt really all that great when using it with H/H anyway.

Oh, and SpotJorge, that Aion thing looks rather cool...

crazybanshee · Aug 21, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Amnel Ithtirsol

Perfect nerf would have been for ANet to make UB DoA specific. I, personally, would have been perfectly fine with that.

It wasnt really all that great when using it with H/H anyway.

Actually, I would have been ok with making ursan specific to elite areas only (deep, urgoz, uw, fow, and doa. I don't even consider slavers an elite area because I can h/h it easily) I never even used ursan outside doa, and a couple of uw runs, but I guess it had become the de facto way to vanquish and do dungeons and missions, and no spell or skill should be that all powerful.

SmokingHotImolation · Aug 21, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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the only people there now are ppl with a fail build or low lightbringer people who dunno what they are doing.

And stupid people - that thinks Rank is = skill.

gerg-nad · Aug 22, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

We have done a few runs in DoA since the update. It does take about 50% longer (at least in HM, didnt try NM). The prices didn't go as high as was expected, thus there is no real incentive to do it any more. I would strongly advise against attempting a full run in HM with a pug, although I haven't seen any forming since the update. For NM it's doable with heroes and 3 more players in ~2hs, you just need ppl who know what they're doing.

I do agree with the OP, unless you have a good guild/connections it is not very easy to find a group.

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Originally Posted by UnChosen

Back on topic.....All I said was that guilds ain't the solution to the empty DoA problem because it can be just as difficult to get a guild group together because you have to wait for so many people's activities to end, if they even want to do DoA in the first place.

I also haven't ever found a guild that would do DoA more than one time per week, and I'm obviously not selfish enough to bother them to do so.

There are a lot of good point such as the ones made above, this is not about Ursan its about quickly getting into a DOA team. First I want to qualify some things as I have been around for some time. I am an experience PvE player, I do not play PvP as I use to play a lot of competative FPS games, and it gets a bit too serious for me and I want to relax more. I have 10 toons, all the different primary classes, and have completed all chapters including EotN with all of them. I have done all of the Elites missions, dungeons numerous times in both HM and NM. I played DOA before EoTN regulary while we were using the Mallyx door glitch and then after the door glitch. After the door glitch was fixed it prevented trinity teams from completing Mallyx but I went in with my warrier with a physical team, and completed it. After that DOA was dead again until EotN came out and folks started using Ursan. Other physical teams were doing it but were few and far between. Ursan really brought DOA back to life.

The only thing that brings me back to GW is playing with real people. My guild has varried interests and like was mentioned have at most weekly events and guidies are often busy doing many varried things so generally do not form into ad hoc groups quickly. I also dislike playing with henches and heros as I might as well play a single player game then.

So the point I am making is we need one primary team build for DOA that folks can use and quickly form into teams. I don't care what kinda team build it is as long as its efficient and effective as it once was and can form quickly.

Go to the Farming Section and read some discussion of Team Builds that are able to do DOA.

Racthoh · Aug 22, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by gerg-nad

So the point I am making is we need one primary team build for DOA that folks can use and quickly form into teams. I don't care what kinda team build it is as long as its efficient and effective as it once was and can form quickly.

What DoA needed was a complete overhaul, but it was barely improved. The removal of the environmental effects made it tolerable, then PvE skills and consumables made it a joke. I'm not sure why anyone would want to play there anymore anyway; it's a headache to play through since you have to do all four zones at once if you don't feel like clearing DoA several times to get your gem sets. Everyone plays to be rich anyway. If I want to have fun it's going to be in a zone where I can fiddle with my builds without the potential of wasting a few hours.

SpotJorge · Aug 22, 2008, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by The Thrasher

The nerf of ursan is the best thing to happen to the game. Now people have to actually experiment and make builds now.

Ursan made the whole game too boring, not just DoA. You just charge through an area, sitting back, half-way asleep and then for what?

If I'm going to play a game, I'm going to have fun. What's the point of GW without fun?

Open you eyes man or boy .... elite areas are empty the game is ending and noone is in mood for create new builds ... Anet blowed game party when nighfall went out with heros ... more then 70% of people think that theyr heros are better then humans ... then ursan come and people started playing together in elite zones ... now with ursan nerf only people you see in elite zones its a few couples of farming team builds ... go there and see if you have acess to that zones

Fun is what a player likes to do NOT what YOU or other experts that dont like ursan think its fun to do ... i payed the same for game then you so why the hell you think you have the right to say what i should do for have fun in game ....

UnChosen · Aug 22, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

No one is trying to argue about ursan. Way too many people trying to drag that skill into the discussion (and probably get it closed). Its mostly about DoA's emptiness in comparison to all the other elite zones. UW and Fow ursanway has been affected the same way and yet it seems there is much less impact.

SpotJorge · Aug 22, 2008, 09:40 AM // 09:40

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Originally Posted by UnChosen

No one is trying to argue about ursan. Way too many people trying to drag that skill into the discussion (and probably get it closed). Its mostly about DoA's emptiness in comparison to all the other elite zones. UW and Fow ursanway has been affected the same way and yet it seems there is much less impact.

Compared to DoA ... UW-DEEP-URGOZ and Fow are not elite zones ... with few adjustments and cons every team can do that zones HM in normal time

isamu kurosawa · Aug 22, 2008, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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Originally Posted by SpotJorge

For the record DoA its empty of full partys like deep and urgoz so i would like to know where this sooooo skilled guilds with so skillled players are playing .... problably big partys in pre-searing showing all theyr knowledge ... for the record DoA is dead ... and for the record Anet shot a fire in theyr own feet with ursan nerfing last chance of people playing together no matter what profession they have ... so after 3 years only waiting for Aion arrive to jump out of a completed nerfed game

Well we form all our teams in the guild hall then map to the area later. Usually International districts.

Easier to deal with team issues that way. The NPC's make it a private town.

SpotJorge · Aug 22, 2008, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

Well we form all our teams in the guild hall then map to the area later. Usually International districts.

Easier to deal with team issues that way. The NPC's make it a private town.

yer you and the 7 other guildies you have ... what about the other thousands that stoped DoA only because anet have listened stupid complains about ursan ... ursan never blowed game economy like many other builds and skills outhere .. DoA Ursan run was never been money ... was the fun of do a Elite Zone HM in 3 to 3.5 hours with 7 humans in party ...

have a healthy guild (and ToL have about 70 very active members) dont give you the right of broke others fun ... so only counting days for Aion come out and like problably will be monthly feed just hope dont find some persons i know from here playing that ...

whats next to nerf maybe pain Inverter? never saw noone say nothing about that super overpowered skill so here maybe something interesting for all start complaining