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Old Jul 29, 2010, 10:53 PM // 22:53   #1
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Seriously, why are they fighting and endless war? I don't get it.
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 11:10 PM // 23:10   #2
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The reason is pathetic and seriously ad hoc.
They argued over which of the heroes (Viktor and Archemorus) killed Shiro. Seriously.
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 11:25 PM // 23:25   #3
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People have fought great wars over less
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 11:26 PM // 23:26   #4
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The reason is pathetic and seriously ad hoc.
They argued over which of the heroes (Viktor and Archemorus) killed Shiro. Seriously.
I'd like to consider that as the catalyst that began the rivalry. The ensuing "endless war" could much be linked to gang warfare and the goal of dominating territory and gaining key locations/resources. It had been so long since the death of Shiro that the basic reason for the rivalry had been lost.

Plus, no one knew that Vizu crippled and weakened Shiro to allow the two heroes to kill him quite easily.
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 11:34 PM // 23:34   #5
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Plus, no one knew that Vizu crippled and weakened Shiro to allow the two heroes to kill him quite easily.
Shiro did, and he was rather pissy about it
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Old Jul 29, 2010, 11:41 PM // 23:41   #6
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They argued over which of the heroes (Viktor and Archemorus) killed Shiro. Seriously.
SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!
I killed Shiro, so they should stop arguing and vote me as their supreme ruler.


But yeah, the main reason for the war now is to fight for territory. As in real life, countries (remember, they are vassal nations) are always trying to expand their empire.
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 12:36 AM // 00:36   #7
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"They are at constant war with the Luxons due to the struggle for the scarce and precious Amber and Jade solidified at the time of the Jade Wind."

They are at constant war with the Kurzicks due to ancient unexplained hatred and the desire over the scarce and precious Amber and Jade that was solidified from the Jade Wind.

He who controls the spice controls the universe
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 12:51 AM // 00:51   #8
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But yeah, the main reason for the war now is to fight for territory. As in real life, countries (remember, they are vassal nations) are always trying to expand their empire.
This. Plus, the emperor holds spies within both nations to make sure that both nations stay within a stalemate, never allowing one to overpower the other completely. He didn't mind because they never wholly effected the empire's integrity.

Spoiler Alert:
Abbadon planned the entire thing. Shiro's fortune teller was a tormented creature and forced Shiro to do what he did, meaning Abbadon orchestrated everything in order for you to kill him and send his soul to the underworld (where Abbadon was waiting in his office to employ him as a General. Short term contract, obviously).

Later in GW 2, the new emperor dissolved both vassal nations and took everyone under the Canthan empire's banner.

Endless war my butt-platemail.
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 03:20 AM // 03:20   #9
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The Kurzick/Luxon war only seems stupid when looking from the outside in. Regardless of which side you grew up on the Jade Quarry I don't think you'd be too happy that the people on your border were taking your resources, discrediting your national hero and were getting away with outlandish dress sense.

Added to that prejudice you would have grown up with the Emperor of Cantha keeping both sides in a constant stalemate to ensure neither gains supremecy and threatens stability within the empire. If that wasn't enough, the entire thing was orchestrated by a god. The tree-huggers and neuvo hobboes didn't stand a chance.

Apart from a god getting involved you don't have to look too far to find real life examples.
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 04:13 AM // 04:13   #10
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There's even more to the story than that, actually.

The two sides first started hating each other when the Canthan empire subjugated the Kurzicks and employed them to help subjugate the Luxons. I forget where I read that, though.

But like any war, once it gets going, people forget the initial reasons (several NPCs note that the Kurzicks and Luxons probably forget the reasons they started fighting).
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 04:49 AM // 04:49   #11
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 05:18 AM // 05:18   #12
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BAM9fgV-ts

i suggest looking @ that.

now they hate ea other since ea of the soldiers were born. they have kind of "grown up hating" ea other.

so the reasons might be forgotten but the hate really never has gone away..
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 07:41 AM // 07:41   #13
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Maybe the fight is over who has the bigger e-peen? >_>
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 09:37 AM // 09:37   #14
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Pity wurms can't live into jade/amber
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 10:57 AM // 10:57   #15
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Count Zu Heltzer slept with Rhea, knocked her up, snuck out in the middle of the night, never left a call-back number and thus the infinite war started for child support payments.
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 02:02 PM // 14:02   #16
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everyone knows its because kurzicks are blue and luxons are red meaning they must fight because of this colour clash
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 07:43 PM // 19:43   #17
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The reason is pathetic and seriously ad hoc.
They argued over which of the heroes (Viktor and Archemorus) killed Shiro. Seriously.
They were fighting before that, and as others have pointed out, there are resources at stake here, particularly after the Jade Wind petrified the entire area.
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Old Jul 30, 2010, 07:56 PM // 19:56   #18
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They were fighting before that, and as others have pointed out, there are resources at stake here, particularly after the Jade Wind petrified the entire area.
Hmm... I thought they were at peace. Looking at various articles though, seems I was wrong.
In which case I retract my previous statement.
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Old Jul 31, 2010, 11:38 AM // 11:38   #19
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Pity wurms can't live into jade/amber
Hmmm, how bout altering the DNA of ice wurms in far shiverpeek so they can dig through jade/amber. They could create pure concentrated spice for our navigators. There's original idea for gw2.
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Old Aug 01, 2010, 07:55 AM // 07:55   #20
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Hmm... I thought they were at peace. Looking at various articles though, seems I was wrong.
In which case I retract my previous statement.
They were at "peace", so long as you define peace as "not being at war". In the same sense, the United States is at "peace" with China.

Saint Viktor and Archemorus were the trigger for the current war. But like any war, the reasons go far deeper.
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