Curse

Erod · May 06, 2005, 07:06 AM // 07:06

I understand that in this game, rangers aren't for damage dealing, and it's kind of a bummer. I've always played an archer, and shooting things for 13-30 dmg with a rare xx-27 rare bow is a bummer. I've always known archers be about equivelant to mages, but physical damage (in a sense) slow attacking speed, but high damage.. and they tend to be... like a physical mesmer in this game..

I'm wondering if im missing somthing.. I have 12 in marksman ship and I still hit like a little girl. Im making a provolone (Warrior/Monk) provolone.. as in cheese.. because warrior monks are cheesy.. but I want to do damage.. and I dont like mages.. so warrior seems to be my only choice

I hate the idea of traps.. or pets that's not me. Any tips to enhance my damage with a bow? Before I spend time leveling another character to 20?

Jackell · May 06, 2005, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Depends. What's your secondary?

Miral · May 06, 2005, 07:18 AM // 07:18

skills. favorable winds + any of your preparations = ownage. my current char is a ranger/monk. I personally like to use exploding arrows or poisoned arrows, along with the monk spell that heals you whenever you attack, and then use the dual shot attack whenever its available. each hit in dual shot procs a heal, plus if im using exploding arrows it creates two explosions! another good one is poisoned arrow + hunter's shot on a moving enemy. bleeding + poison = fast health drain. combine that with conjure phantasm from a mesmer or the life drain of a necro and... wow...
as a side note, try using a bow that requires marksmanship a couple levels below yours. I have 10 marksmanship and use a bow that I believe requires 8... on certain mobs a few levels lower than me, I can easily hit for 70ish with an unmodified shot.

Jackell · May 06, 2005, 07:24 AM // 07:24

I'm a R/E, and I love the Gale/Hunters shot combo. Best part is, if you hit them with Pin down too, you can just keep doing it over and over, and it's hard for them to get away. So funny to see how irritated a W/Mo gets over that.

dbodenheim · May 06, 2005, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Here is my ranger/monk build. Granted Im only level 15 and have only played 4 on 4 pickup rounds. Anyhow we won 11 times in a row today Im pretty sure I contributed.

1.Hunters Shot--great early on when everyone is moving for the bleed effect.

2.Duel Shot-- works in combination with.....

3.Apply Poisen--the real heart of he build. Arrow poisen stacks with arrow poisen and keeps on the damage over time.

4.Favorable Winds-- good range. Long lasting.

5.Troll Ungeant-- when your in trouble and are tearing ass away.

6.Whirling Defense-- when you have to get out of a bad situation. See # 5.

7.Healing Spring--a little touch of healing that lasts 10 seconds. may give the team the extra boost during those 90 second rounds.

8.Restore Life--ressurection of course.

So this build basically is for team support. You have the Poisen damage to rip through casters or help your tank take down there tank. You also have the abilty to do a little support healing and sneak in the ressurects. I only have like 55 skills total right now to work with and I think this one is the best.

Gh0sT · May 06, 2005, 10:12 AM // 10:12

I dont know what u are doing wrong... but with my bow (13-25 + 20% from costomisation) i can do well over 100 damage per shot... (if i use a attack skill that is), without attack skill is still do 60+ damage...

Are you posistioning urself right ?... always have ur target below you so stand on a hill or something...

NOTE: Im level 14 with marksman at 10 ... i was kind of talking about PvE... but in PvP i still do around 60 damage (40 without attackskill)...

Most imporatant factors are targets armor and ur position... the higher you are ... the more damage you do (more headshots etc)...

Akshara · May 06, 2005, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Any tips to enhance my damage with a bow?

Try a Monk secondary class with a high Smiting Prayers attribute. Holy damage ignores armor, and can be used to buff the natural damage of your bow. If a prayer adds +40 holy damage, that's +40 guaranteed damage on top of your normal bow damage, regardless of what armor they're wearing. It's also extremely helpful against the undead in PvE.

Check out the Skills Listing and run a search for Ranger/Monk organized by Class>Attribute>Skill Type, and check out the Smiting Prayers line. Especially the enchantments that say "target ally" in them, as they can be cast on yourself ("target other" cannot be).

One doesn't need a high skill pool to take advantage of prayers, because with a Ranger a high Expertise level reduces the costs of all Attack Skills, Preparations, Traps, Stances, Rituals, Glyphs, and Shouts by 4% per attribute level. This basically makes all Rangers skills cost less to use over time, and allows some room for extra enchantments and spells that other classes don't necessarily have.

If you want serious bow damage, try a three attribute setup like this:

Marksmanship 11
Expertise 10
Smiting Prayers 10

Or go for a four attribute setup, adding Wilderness Survival for some defense:

Marksmanship 10
Expertise 10
Smiting Prayers 8
Wilderness Survival 8

... or something like that.

VividDream · May 06, 2005, 10:23 AM // 10:23

R/Me Fragility combo rocks, Apply poison, Hunter's shot, stop attacking and count to 1, Pin down. 200 dmg that ignores armor from fragility alone.

VividDream · May 06, 2005, 10:30 AM // 10:30

Btw, it all depends on the armor lvl of your opponents. Don't feel depressed that some people are saying they do 60 dmg PvE. Last time I went back with my lvl 20 to ascalon, I did ~70 dmg per shot but I only do ~15-20 to mursaat. You just need to find a creative way to dish out your dmg.

DraieGardo · May 06, 2005, 10:39 AM // 10:39

im set up as R/Mo15, my set up

*Kindle Arrows
*Power Shot
*Duel Shot
*Hunters Shot
*Pin Down
*Lightining Reflex
*Res Signit
*Troll Unguent

With this set up you'll take half the hp off a warrior before he even reaches you, as soon as he does use lighting reflex and Troll Urgent and he wont be able to hit you much and the troll urget will easily replenish your hp before he/she can cause any serios damage. Before you know it they are dead at your feet

all be it, they tend to run off when ya whacked em with hunter shot and powershot but thats where pin down comes in

.

I use no monk abilities as all my attribute goin to Marksmen, Expertise and Wilderness survival, perhaps more of a solo set up but it goes well with teams aswell

Devil's Dictionary · May 06, 2005, 10:58 AM // 10:58

Don't forget that rangers get augmented damage when shooting down. Try to get to the highest point of the battlefield before using a few preps.

The only problem with the ranger is that Marksmanship and Expertize is a must whereas Beastmastery is completely useless. If you use up all your points on Marksmanship and Expertize, you simply couldn't invest in Wilderness Survival without putting yourself at a disadvantage regarding your secondary profession.

dbodenheim · May 06, 2005, 11:38 AM // 11:38

I wouldnt say Beast mAstery iss completly useless. My friend maxed out Beast Mastery and put all kinds of beastie skills on his bar. In PvP he then proceeded to rip, terrorize, and bleed out every oppenent. His pet went UNMOLESTED because he was a stupid looking moa ( how can that goofy bird hurt me?)

Pets are way ignored in player vs player and it is death by "goofy cartoon looking thing" for many unsuspecting players.

Pevil Lihatuh · May 06, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

ignite arrows + favourable winds + dual shot = serious pain! It doesn't look like much when +16 goes up... but then when you consider that in a tight group using double shot you can get about 8 or 10 numbers going up... up to 160 damage with one shot!

btw im gonna try the beast mastery route when i reach level 20 (at level 17 right now) so should be able to give some info on it soon i hope

Erod · May 06, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34

I really don't want to offend anyone, but I am level 20(5), I understand the hieght effecting arrows thing.. I do understand that If I wan't to boost my ego I can go to old ascalon and hit mobs for 150 dmg if I want, but that's not the case. I want to be able to contribute to groups, I feel useless. When I'm standing behind everyone shooting my arrows for 13-39 dmg I feel like I shouldn't even be there. In PvE, wether you like it or not Pin Down doesnt help anyone.. because you have warriors tanking.. Hunters Shot doesn't do anything, because warriors are tanking..

So in PvP.. I use a completely differant set up, Warriors charge me first, because I'm the ranger, and I die, after Hitting them with

-Pin Down
-Hunters Shot
-Feintheartedness
-Dual shot
-Dodge- get more room between us
-Turn around to pin down again, and it's either, I die time, or I run time..

Dreamsmith · May 06, 2005, 05:45 PM // 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akshara

Holy damage ignores armor

Actually, no, it doesn't. However, direct damage smiting prayers do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erod

...after Hitting them with -Pin Down -Hunters Shot -Feintheartedness -Dual shot -Dodge- get more room between us -Turn around to pin down again, and it's either, I die time, or I run time..

What damage buffs are you using? Favorable Winds? Kindle Arrows? Apply Poison? Something else?

(If you aren't using any, you aren't using a build designed to deal damage. It would then be unsurprising that it doesn't deal much damage.)

Witchfinder General · May 06, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Actually, no, it doesn't. However, direct damage smiting prayers do.
What damage buffs are you using?

Judge's Insight
For 8-18 seconds, target ally's attacks deal Holy damage and have +20% armor penetration.

I agree it does not sound like he is using any decent damage buffs, or damage type modifiers.

there is poison arrow
there is the 10secs of addit poison damage
ran ele can conjure element

decog · May 06, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

I am starting my second ranger (and my second char total) cause my first attempt at the game was a Ra/Mo and he is only level 10 now, but he's feeling pretty useless. Plus I havn't really gotten a whole lot of great skills. Well I started a new Ranger build to try and really investigate this Ranger=useless theory. I'm going to have to disagree. I've gota Ranger/Warrior combo and he's only level 6, already dealing some impressive blows. The major benefit from Ranger Warrior so far is that i'm no longer dependent on energy. I use up my energy with a powerful shot, then a point blank shot, a troll ungent and a healing signet (if needed) then i run in close (which isn't too close seeing as how my point blank shot has already closed the distance, if the enemy has not). So in close i can sever artery and deepen gash (I think that's the name) and there isn't much that can keep up with me. I've got him equipped with a 7-10 damage longsword (looks wicked) and a 7-10 Damage ascalon bow, and I'm just wrecking anything I come up against. Early in PvE it's easy to fall prey to any group of enemies over two, but I've taken on multiple Grawls/shamans and not had too many issues.

I think the ranger can really be a versatile build.

.d

Desferous · May 06, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Ranger is an odd class. It really doesn't need a secondary it seems. I have a ranger monk and at times I think "ah this is great" and at others I think "hmmm." The variables of the game seem to give all classes some ups and downs.

Maybe the ranger isn't the class for you the way it is built in this game? Try an elementalist/ranger or a warrior/ranger instead?

Don't feel bad about doing the warrior/monk. It is a viable option, and for its power? It seems that it is a great build, but people are starting to figure out how to deal with that combo in pvp.

Pevil Lihatuh · May 06, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

meh well i like my level 17 ranger and i sure dont feel like she's useless in parties when i see that health bar drop! but if its not for you then i don't blame you; i personally tend not to like warriors simply because in most games they are the 'easy' option... get boring very fast.

Gh0sT · May 06, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erod

I really don't want to offend anyone, but I am level 20(5), I understand the hieght effecting arrows thing.. I do understand that If I wan't to boost my ego I can go to old ascalon and hit mobs for 150 dmg if I want, but that's not the case. I want to be able to contribute to groups, I feel useless. When I'm standing behind everyone shooting my arrows for 13-39 dmg I feel like I shouldn't even be there. In PvE, wether you like it or not Pin Down doesnt help anyone.. because you have warriors tanking.. Hunters Shot doesn't do anything, because warriors are tanking..

So in PvP.. I use a completely differant set up, Warriors charge me first, because I'm the ranger, and I die, after Hitting them with

-Pin Down
-Hunters Shot
-Feintheartedness
-Dual shot
-Dodge- get more room between us
-Turn around to pin down again, and it's either, I die time, or I run time..

MMM yea warriors are a bit of trouble, but warriors shouldnt be ur targets in the first place... i usually pick on the softer targets and (if ur team is good) concentrate fire on the warriors...
And if the warrior picks you out, well then it depends on the team... either someone has to help you by beating up the guy, or by healing you, because warriors are probably nemesis nr.1 for a ranger.
Im currently level 14, so i bet there is a world of difference between you and me... but when i play in the arena, i usually first find myself a higher position, the best would be as high as possible, but i dont want to stray from my team. Then i just wait till eventually some warrior is stupid enough to come to us, and i start with hunters shot (havent got pin down), to get in some DoT from bleeding (DoT is always welcome

), then if he's still comming, i use penetrating attack (which is imo the best strong attack vs warriors, because not only like 15 extra damage but also it has 25% armor penetration... and vs a warrior that is like 10 to 15 extra damage

So you might wanna consider that skill to try out... other then that i cant really help you

... I ususally am just the extra damage dealer eats chunks off and stops fleeing persons...