Curse

RizzleR · May 10, 2005, 05:11 AM // 05:11

well i'm an ascended lvl 20 R/Me now.

and in the Tomb i can take on a Wo/Mo template pvp char 1on1
and i'm still using my shitty 50 armor (saving for 15k armor).

a good combination of poison,bleeding,backfire and empathy combined with some evading spells does the job most of the times.

its a great class just not easy to master

Arran_Pellaeon · May 10, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Quickly using read the wind, followed by pin down, hunter's shot, and penetrating attack(for that armor piercing goodness) can lay the beat down on many unsuspecting targets. Like everyone's said, it's all about play style.

sino-soviet · May 10, 2005, 06:13 AM // 06:13

rangers can be amazing ranged damage dealers or disruptors, the secondary is what is going to make or break a ranger build.

Xellos · May 10, 2005, 06:42 AM // 06:42

:P Rangers suck because their beloved elites like Barrage have not yet surfaced. Blame Markis!

Jackell · May 10, 2005, 06:45 AM // 06:45

R/Ele

Gale + Hunters shot = Awwwww yeah.

dbodenheim · May 10, 2005, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Rangers are support whether its PvE or PvP. Ive won quite a few rounds in PvP with this support build. Ranger/Monk

1. Hunter's Shot
2. Tiger's Fury
3. Apply Poisen
4. Feral Lunge
5. Troll Ungeant
6. Charm Animal
7. Comfort Animal
8. Restore Life

A good shortbow + poisen damage + pet bleeding damage + Tiger's Fury = the other team's warrior dead dead dead. Now you can quickly swap to the monk who is rezzing him. The order to mash buttons is: Apply Poisen, Feral Lunge, Hunter's Shot, rip-rip-rip with Tiger's Fury. Once Tiger's Fury is halfway through its recharge, its Hunter's Shot, Feral Lunge, Tiger's Fury again. Your constantly using skills and constantly SAVING mana. This is a low cost mana build with speedy recharge skills.

Your pet usually is ignored in favor of Human targets which is a bonus to keeping that bleed on. Rangers are ignored on principle. Just help out the warrior and the rest will fall like dominoes. (ps-in PVP i know I could probably lose Comfort Animal since its hardly used, but once combat begins its usually only the first 4 skills that get any use, Restore life is used when possible and Troll Ungeant as a last resort.) Thoughts?

DraieGardo · May 10, 2005, 10:40 AM // 10:40

Ranger have alot of potential. the fact that they are largly ignored make them deadly. As for the use of Troll Urgent, that can keep you on the edge of death jus enough to proberly finish the person attacking you especially with Lighting Reflex and Throw Dirt.

Davion · May 10, 2005, 11:58 AM // 11:58

Well from the PvE point of view anyways, my level 17 Aradesh is quite a tanker. As of right now I am only using ranger skills and the ressurrect spell for my monk secondary (still looking for rebirth). All I can say is, VERY rarely do I die. Even if I am tanking on 3 level 16 hellhounds, she is still standing ground.
It does very greatly depend upon the individual's understanding of the class they are trying to play. (as for PvP,..I would have no qualms about taking a "few steps back" when faced with an angry warrior bearing down on me; that has nothing to do with lack of skill, but more with preserving it.) The canny player will know when to stand their ground or seek a better footing.

Zarconis · May 10, 2005, 12:56 PM // 12:56

I find it quite disturbing that many of you have not even read a small percentage of the volumes of posts and writing on this subject. That is evidenced by many of you stating that you love the R/X and that you are using mostly X skills. The Ranger profession is one of the few in the game that is so balanced that you don't even NEED a secondary.

When you create a character you need to thing about what your goals are. GW makes it fun and "plug n play" but it's not as simple as saying "I want to be L33t in PVP." ... Who doesn't ?

So back we are to goals. Do you want to deal a lot of DOT or perhaps you just want to be able finish off people with some burst damage. Maybe a true support role is your style. Wanna have a go at the front lines ? Everyone of these examples have ranger build equivalents. I'll venture to say that most other classes can do this, but not nearly as effecitively as the Ranger.

Most of you should take a step back and review what the class is all about, or even better what Guild Wars is all about. You need to be specific, there's little room to be a jack of all trades.

DOT Ranger -Marksmanship and Wilderness Survival - Apply poison, Lightning Reflexes (or Tigers Fury), Flame Trap, Hunter's Shot (I also like pin down) Add in the rest of your skills.

Burst Damage - High Expertise/Marksmanship, Penetrating Shot, Hunters Shot, Kindle Arrows, Dual Shot.

Support Ranger - Wilderness Survival High - Traps, Healing Spring is awesome, Troll Ungent for yourself and then Nature Rituals depending on your team makeup.

Ranger/Warrior - Boost your expertise and go mostly for war skills. Apply poison works with any weapon. Ranger's defensive skills are good too.

Lasher Dragon · May 10, 2005, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zarconis

Most of you should take a step back and review what the class is all about, or even better what Guild Wars is all about. You need to be specific, there's little room to be a jack of all trades.

Well said. Coming from a heavy PnP background, I often say GW is a min-maxers dream. Pick something and be really good at that thing. Changed your mind? No problem, pick something else and rearrange everything. The flexibility is so cool, I almost want to try to implement some methods from GW into PnP.

Bigb04202 · May 10, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

If you are going to be a ranger you almost need to bring all ranger skills with you. I don’t see how a ranger can live without having Marksmanship, expertise and wilderness survival pretty much maxed out. My second class is a Mesmer and when it comes to PvP I only bring backfire skill with me the rest are ranger skills. In PVE I bring a few more Mesmer skills with me. In PvP as long as you bring Cripple / Troll urgent / and Defense a warrior going to have a hard time killing me as long as I time things out right. With backfire and distract shot will pretty much shut down any mage if they try to run Cripple them

. Things have worked out pretty good with those combos.I’m not saying you can’t be successful if you don’t use all ranger skills for me personally they just seem to good not to take them.

butcherboy · May 10, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11

I am having the most fun playing as a ranger/elementalist (lv10) PvE. I chose elementalist simply for the area effect spells. Couple that with a incidinary arrow and dual shot and you can take on a good size party or wear them down enough so your buddies have easy chores. Rangers are more distance support than close support. Last night I cleaned all of the starting area out and only died once simply because I was stooopid. The only thing is is that he seems to take longer to take out enemies *but* that is just perception as it only took me an hour to clean house.

Tonight I will attempt the supply train rescue mission and see how he does against packs of lvl8 char. There in lies the real test.

A hard character to solo is a monk/ranger. I have one, but he just never seems tough enough no matter what I do. Perhaps I need to re-evaluate how I am using him?

Night Daftshadow · May 10, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

i find it easy to solo with my ranger/monk at level 12. either with henchmen or with humans, it's a breeze.

Banta · May 10, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

As a mes / nec the class the annoys me the most is ranger. One on one I do ok for the most part. But most of the time I don't see them, I'm working on bringing a monk down or running from a warriors and I hear this - thunk thunk thunk and my life is slowing leaving me. Some have had builds that kill me in two shots - I'm not really sure what that is though.

I was with an all neco and me group once (this is in the lvl 15 arena) and we were doing very well. We took down an all warrior group without a problem. Then we went up an all ranger group and it wasn’t even funny. They just destroyed us.

Valsalis · May 11, 2005, 07:53 AM // 07:53

(this is a ranger post, just be patiant) I have a N/Me that i have done very well with. The point of the character is to do well in arena battles, not guild vs guild. 4 out of 5 times I can kill anyone one on one, basicly by damaging them when they damage me (backfire/empathy) and draining as much HP as many siphon life and vamp gaze I can pack into the average battle. I am currently 18th level, and my success 1 on 1 has been pretty consistant. Till.... I started running into focused damage dealing rangers(with advanced skills).... even when i wore bone armor (piercing AL bonus). All i'd ever see was my hp bar take a couple big hits, change color (poison), and just continuesly getting pelted with high damage arrows, whenever i have been targeted like this (by 2 DD rangers once) I've lasted about 10-15 seconds. Now I do very well against W/Mo with Empathy spirit shackles etc.... but i can see them coming, if a good ranger can manage to get the jump on me, I'm toast.
P.S. also had trouble with N/W (hard for me to kill).

dbodenheim · May 11, 2005, 08:04 AM // 08:04

I agree with what the necro just said. I dont know why it is, but in player vs. player as a ranger/monk I tend to lay the beat-down on necros the hardest. Maybe its cause there already hurting themselves.

Xellos · May 11, 2005, 09:29 AM // 09:29

Blame Markis

uigrad · May 12, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigb04202

If you are going to be a ranger you almost need to bring all ranger skills with you. I don’t see how a ranger can live without having Marksmanship, expertise and wilderness survival pretty much maxed out. My second class ...

I think Bigb is onto something here. I plan to try a ranger-only build sometime this weekend. Skills for one profession work well with each other, so it seems silly to limit your build to only have 4 skills from a particular profession. Of all of the single class builds, I think Ranger-only is the most feasible. I would expect such a build to excel at both PvE and PvP.

Davin Kabak · May 13, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

Not to downplay a Pure build, but the truth is, a well balanced character of any pri/sec class will always beat a poorly balanced character.

The trick is to choose skills that accomplish your goal, and allow you to maintain good energy/health/adrenaline management, so that you can always be using the skills you picked to bring with you. Only time and experience with a particular build will tell if it is the right one for you. Sometimes, it's as easy as changing out a skill or two, that can make the difference between a poor build, and a great build.

Props to Arena.net for such remarkable balancing in this reguard.

Rotgut The Unholy · May 14, 2005, 02:14 AM // 02:14

I like how you spent your entire time in this thread stroking your e-peen and contributing nothing of use, GG.